Wolverine vs US Agent

Started by capt it up12 pages

Originally posted by Jyppe
Yet you said that all Chi stuff is BS in another thread. People say Spiderman wouldn't be able to KO Thing.. Wolverine isn't KOing Roughhouse, at least he shouldn't be.

1. Feat was BS/PIS
2. Roughhouse sucks *ss
3. Roughhouse is actually a little girl with little durability.

Of course might be able to KO him if House's durability wasn't that great. And didn't he previously like take a house to the head?


it PIS becuase you dislike the fatc lgoan can do it. Logan done it numerous times. He has the power set and the traing to do it.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Your words are good but proof is better. I own must of his appearances in Cap vol 1 and some others. And its more in just strength and durability were he's enhanced.

I already posted the link for the US Agent respect thread on pg.1 I believe. As noted Cap is just peak human, and the handbook entry for US Agent, which I will get the scans shortly say he is enhanced in every area

Captain America handbook entry:
1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/OffHandbookMarvelMasterEdition02-03.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/m_handbook_002_22_rougher.jpg

Originally posted by capt it up
Don’t have a scanner and there no need to. Why is ti out ragerous? Did you nto ehar me when I said strength does not equal durability. Also a normal human martial artist has in real life generate the force a 40 mile car crash would make. That man can only bench 300 pounds. Logan who far more skilled has superhuman reaction speed two ton strength and chi ability could easily generate enough damage over time to KO a 70 tonner.

Did I say ti would be easy again? No I did not.

He has level 5 durability that’s bullet proof how ever it lower then many high class peoples durability. Yet you have no problems with ronan being ko in one hit?

Ya and as I stated when dark pheniox took over logan just kept stabbing her again. Which is clearly pis.

There no problem with the rough-house feat logan beat him repeatedly not in one hit. One hit just ridiculous.

Sabertooth is class 15 tons at that time and was using slashing damage not really helping your case.

That makes no senses. He can nto generate the damage that wonderman a skilled 100 tonner can.

Yes it was an what year was infinity crusade made in?

Over estimating? How is that over estimating? You are over estimating us agent if you think logan will not be landing hits.

There already scanned, and don't need to? why are people asking me for scans then? Except Roughouse is class 5 durability, yesh! She Hulk, Doc Samson, Sasquatch, etc. are at that level and below. Not enough to easily do how he did it.

Actually you did, and that's what started this

Sasquatch durability is below that, She Hulk's etc characters are at that level as well. Class 5 is highly durable

No he didn't, he never battled a full power or even half power D.P. at that time as stated D.P was only a small fraction of her power, weakened barely suriving.

No it's like Wolverine ko'ing Doc Sampson at regular hair growth. It's unlikely for the amount of time it took Wovlerine to KO Roughouse

Class 15? have any proof of that?

Other class 100 characters have struggled against the Wrecking Crew, even teams had trouble knocking each members down. However, he took down Piledriver with two hits since as said he knows how to make it count.

I think 1995

I never said he wouldn't land hits, but you making the claim he could do it easily while US Agent couldn't do anything

Originally posted by King_Mungi
There already scanned, and don't need to? why are people asking me for scans then? Except Roughouse is class 5 durability, yesh! She Hulk, Doc Samson, Sasquatch, etc. are at that level and below. Not enough to easily do how he did it.

Level 5 is simply bullet proof. He durable, but unlike the people you named he ahs no healing factor which makes a huge difference.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually you did, and that's what started this

Which you have stated 10 times already. How ever you said I said it again which is not true at all.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Sasquatch durability is below that, She Hulk's etc characters are at that level as well. Class 5 is highly durable

So sas is less then bullet proof? She hulk has a healing factor.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No he didn't, he never battled a full power or even half power D.P. at that time as stated D.P was only a small fraction of her power, weakened barely suriving.

That not true at all. Please proof that by quoting it word for word, because that never happen.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No it's like Wolverine ko'ing Doc Sampson at regular hair growth. It's unlikely for the amount of time it took Wovlerine to KO Roughouse

Again it was implied logan and rough-house were fighting for a long time.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Class 15? have any proof of that?

Nope I don’t read sabertooth. How ever he was up graded many times by weapon x and is about 20 to 25 tons now. He fist fought Ms. Marvel and rouge.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Other class 100 characters have struggled against the Wrecking Crew, even teams had trouble knocking each members down. However, he took down Piledriver with two hits since as said he knows how to make it count.

Good for him how does that help him here? Piledriver not overly that impressive.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I think 1995

So it was pre logan losing his adamatium skeleton.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I never said he wouldn't land hits, but you making the claim he could do it easily while US Agent couldn't do anything

No I simply said logan would land hits

Originally posted by jinzin
he carries around automatic weapons and oil tankers everywhere he goes? 😕
scans?

wolverine's had it for about a full year now, even longer.. and he still does.. 😐

actually that is the point, if you didn't post a pic of us agent getting a sneak attack and KOing an already messed up wolverine, then I wouldn't be debating against it...

look, yes wolverine recovered, but after that his healing factor isn't going to be working at 100%, especially when he's already pressed it, and continued to go in without replenishing himself. and I'd say that all the running he was shown doing, pretty much the entire day, would certainly be a little laborous... again... all us agent did that day was get sneak attacks on two people... woopdidoo... and obviously we ARE talking about a straight fight because that's what this thread would imply... not us agent, vs. unsuspecting wolverine after he's been beat up by wonderman and stalemated gamera...

as for who's testy.. well we already covered this in pm's so I'll let that go.

i disagree.

first off you brought those feats up before me, second, you brought them up in a skewed perspective... third the point was to correct that skewed perspective... and fourth, if you don't like the feats you brought up why did you?

US agent wasn't though....
wolverine had at least four other opponents before u.s. agent got to him.... u.s. agent on the other hand... well.. he snuck attacked a beast who was recovering from the KO that captain america blasted him with.... again the attack came from behind.. friggin sweet eh?

where did I state that those are not taxing?
it's a fact that wolverine takes that kind of abuse without minding much.. but again you're skewing why i said that.. I said it to make another point entirely... but that comment has no indication on how taxing I feel those attacks can be....
the point.. again.. is that the KO you were reffering to is irrelivant as it was shrouded in circumstances..
simply put:
after an assualt from wonderman wolverine is not going to take damage the same way he would before an assualt from wonderman.

If I did agree to this it must have been a hella long time ago....
I think what you're reffering to is when I agreed with srank on the point that when alpha flight was shown fighting the x-men later on wolverine had mac dead to rights.. and he did.. that's not an opinion, it's right there on the panal... that doesn't mean I think wolverine can take mac.

haha no I didn't mean oil tankers, I meant guns, the convincer and I don't think he carries explosives anymore.

Really? then I'm thinking of a different magical sword as in Origins he gave one to Cyclops in order to possibly use it against him if something goes wrong.

Naaa...US Agent was doing various missions with Moondragon telling him what to do, he helped defeat She Hulk and Nova and I believe don't quote me on this he also fought Sleepwalker after he came from the ocean after someone send him there (Sleepwalker tie-in). US Agent was definetly running around just as much as Wolverine. The rest is covered a few comments below.

I was testy, I have calmed down since that post.

No I'm talking about where US Agent and Wolverine first fight and where he beat him was an outdated scan since he has gotten several upgrades since then. Eh? I even stated the Infinity Crusade was a sneak attack when Capt asked me, even showed the scan on pg.1.

No he definetly was, US Agent helped Sasquatch beat She Hulk, and Nova. Moondragon had the duo fighting various heroes and villians. Beast was another fight, also the fights before US Agent Wolverine had wern't the most taxing. Wonderman was the only one really. Also we know US Agent doesn't play by the rules, he's the inspiration for Ultimate Captain America. He fights dirty to win.

The first time I posted the scan was a joke, hence the sneaky face
smilie "😖hifty:". Then people asked me 2-3 times about the scan and I directly stated it was a sneak attack. I never said it was a direct fight.
Basically you claimed it didn't bother him much at all, and then make a comment afterwards about a little invincibility. Sure he does, and each time something happens to him he usually just shrugs it off. Tell you the truth after calming down, the fire to continue the debate which your point is just and fair is gone. Just getting a little hectic with christmas and getting everything ready, and my last day of my co-op is over.

2 or so months ago I believe, and srank and I had a debate maybe 1 month ago about this. No he didnt, Wolverine even later admited his shields are meant to block Wolverine's claws. He pounched on him, but really there wasn't anything he could do. Mac's durability has blocked combined blows from Shaman, Witchfire, Windshear, Vindicator II, Human Torch and all it did was make him activate his computer brain. Then there is the feat with Vindicator III and him put a E-M field around the Hellpounder blocking a nuclear explosion.

logan has had 3 magical swords

Originally posted by capt it up
Level 5 is simply bullet proof. He durable, but unlike the people you named he ahs no healing factor which makes a huge difference.

Which you have stated 10 times already. How ever you said I said it again which is not true at all.

So sas is less then bullet proof? She hulk has a healing factor.

That not true at all. Please proof that by quoting it word for word, because that never happen.

Again it was implied logan and rough-house were fighting for a long time.

Nope I don’t read sabertooth. How ever he was up graded many times by weapon x and is about 20 to 25 tons now. He fist fought Ms. Marvel and rouge.

Good for him how does that help him here? Piledriver not overly that impressive.

So it was pre logan losing his adamatium skeleton.

No I simply said logan would land hits

Sasquatch can take armor peircing machine gun fire and tank blasts, and 6 grenades to the face without any effect due to his durability, and Doc Sampson doesn't have a healing factor.

Actually it was, you directly commented Wolverine wins with ease.

Apparently by marvel standards, not that sophisticated though.

The Shiar said it after they blasted her with the omega blast, Pheonix said it hence she needs Cylcops. Phoenix: "Here I am. But so weak..so weak." "but I'm never cold. and I can't due. Can I?" Shair: "but it's a fraction of its original strength". She even commented parts of her never came back together, she was far from her original power. Emma Frost: "I'm here, Scott. Protecting you. Don't worry--it's weak. It cant beat us"

It wasn't that long as I have seen those scans before

Weapon X didn't upgrade his strength I have the entire series. They gave him back his adamintium skelton. I've seen his fight with Warbird, meh! Offically he isn't class 20.

Helps him, because Piledriver is more durable and stronger than him and yet he still ko'ed him easily. He stalemated with the rest of the Wrecking Crew Alpha Flight and even Thor.

Just before

Then that's fine

Originally posted by King_Mungi
haha no I didn't mean oil tankers, I meant guns, the convincer and I don't think he carries explosives anymore.
lol.. well I'm reffering to the feat in question hence the constant harrassment about the oil tankers and automatics.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Really? then I'm thinking of a different magical sword as in Origins he gave one to Cyclops in order to possibly use it against him if something goes wrong.
the origins sword is still his, cyclops is holding on to it, but logan still claimed it in origins and endings...
and like capt said he's got several of them.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Naaa...US Agent was doing various missions with Moondragon telling him what to do, he helped defeat She Hulk and Nova and I believe don't quote me on this he also fought Sleepwalker after he came from the ocean after someone send him there (Sleepwalker tie-in). US Agent was definetly running around just as much as Wolverine. The rest is covered a few comments below.
in what books would I find these in.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No I'm talking about where US Agent and Wolverine first fight and where he beat him was an outdated scan since he has gotten several upgrades since then. Eh? I even stated the Infinity Crusade was a sneak attack when Capt asked me, even showed the scan on pg.1.
you kept stating wellhe's "knocked him out" which made it look like you were defending the feat as being more than what it is.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No he definetly was, US Agent helped Sasquatch beat She Hulk, and Nova. Moondragon had the duo fighting various heroes and villians. Beast was another fight, also the fights before US Agent Wolverine had wern't the most taxing. Wonderman was the only one really. Also we know US Agent doesn't play by the rules, he's the inspiration for Ultimate Captain America. He fights dirty to win.

again what books?
and yeah he may fight dirty but he's not guaranteed sneak attacks etc etc in a forum fight unless otherwise stated.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
The first time I posted the scan was a joke, hence the sneaky face
smilie "😖hifty:". Then people asked me 2-3 times about the scan and I directly stated it was a sneak attack. I never said it was a direct fight.
Basically you claimed it didn't bother him much at all, and then make a comment afterwards about a little invincibility. Sure he does, and each time something happens to him he usually just shrugs it off. Tell you the truth after calming down, the fire to continue the debate which your point is just and fair is gone. Just getting a little hectic with christmas and getting everything ready, and my last day of my co-op is over.
the attack that didn't bother wolverine much at all was the new invaders one... obviously infinity crusade was a different story but surrounded by circumstances.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
2 or so months ago I believe, and srank and I had a debate maybe 1 month ago about this. No he didnt, Wolverine even later admited his shields are meant to block Wolverine's claws. He pounched on him, but really there wasn't anything he could do. Mac's durability has blocked combined blows from Shaman, Witchfire, Windshear, Vindicator II, Human Torch and all it did was make him activate his computer brain. Then there is the feat with Vindicator III and him put a E-M field around the Hellpounder blocking a nuclear explosion.
I don't recall his sheilds being up at the moment. I just remember wolverine bearing down on him.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Sasquatch can take armor peircing machine gun fire and tank blasts, and 6 grenades to the face without any effect due to his durability, and Doc Sampson doesn't have a healing factor.

Actually it was, you directly commented Wolverine wins with ease.

Apparently by marvel standards, not that sophisticated though.

The Shiar said it after they blasted her with the omega blast, Pheonix said it hence she needs Cylcops. Phoenix: "Here I am. But so weak..so weak." "but I'm never cold. and I can't due. Can I?" Shair: "but it's a fraction of its original strength". She even commented parts of her never came back together, she was far from her original power. Emma Frost: "I'm here, Scott. Protecting you. Don't worry--it's weak. It cant beat us"

It wasn't that long as I have seen those scans before

Weapon X didn't upgrade his strength I have the entire series. They gave him back his adamintium skelton. I've seen his fight with Warbird, meh! Offically he isn't class 20.

Helps him, because Piledriver is more durable and stronger than him and yet he still ko'ed him easily. He stalemated with the rest of the Wrecking Crew Alpha Flight and even Thor.

Just before

Then that's fine

the comments on upgraded strength weren't made in weapon x.. they were made in deadpool and in wolverine.

Originally posted by jinzin
lol.. well I'm reffering to the feat in question hence the constant harrassment about the oil tankers and automatics.

the origins sword is still his, cyclops is holding on to it, but logan still claimed it in origins and endings...
and like capt said he's got several of them.

in what books would I find these in.

you kept stating wellhe's "knocked him out" which made it look like you were defending the feat as being more than what it is.

again what books?
and yeah he may fight dirty but he's not guaranteed sneak attacks etc etc in a forum fight unless otherwise stated.

the attack that didn't bother wolverine much at all was the new invaders one... obviously infinity crusade was a different story but surrounded by circumstances.

I don't recall his sheilds being up at the moment. I just remember wolverine bearing down on him.

alright alright 😛

Very well, then he has my permission to use them 🙂

Technically he doesn't have it in his possession anymore, that's what I was going by. As he gave it away temporally or not is to be seen.

Listed below

That was from the comment made by a members that Wolverine every apperance has owned him.

Alpha Flight #127, Infinite Crusade #5 and Sleepwalker #15 (I believe, whatever the tie in was...I think he was in that)
Sure, I was never making the claim US Agent takes the majority just he's underated. As there were comments Wolverine wins 10/10 no contest.

He should have it's an automatic thing.

Originally posted by jinzin
the comments on upgraded strength weren't made in weapon x.. they were made in deadpool and in wolverine.

Have a scan? not saying your wrong just want to see what level he is as offically by Marvel he isn't that high in strength. However, we know how those handbooks work

Wolverine would rape USAgent. USAgent can't beat Cap. How's he going to stand against Wolverine?

Originally posted by riceroost
Wolverine would rape USAgent. USAgent can't beat Cap. How's he going to stand against Wolverine?

by the way why does every one keep assuming US Agent is the only one who has been up graded?

wolverine's punch will definietly knock USAgent out since his punches are aided by adamantium.

Originally posted by capt it up
by the way why does every one keep assuming US Agent is the only one who has been up graded?

Unless Wolverine became a class 10 in the last two days, nobody cares. You and Jinzin are extremely informative on Wolverine.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Unless Wolverine became a class 10 in the last two days, nobody cares. You and Jinzin are extremely informative on Wolverine.

you seem to think being a class 10 matters.

class 10 does not make you win nor does it matter. I will make it easier for you, US agent hitting logan will do far less damage then logan hitting US agent. Why you may ask? 3 foot logan claws is one reason.

even with out the claws. US agant punches will due less damage to Logan then Logan punches will do to US agent

the taskmaster was easily defeated by mister x in the bloodsport tournament and wolverine later using his berzerker fury 'almost' killed mister x

if wolverine can beat the guy who defeated US agent's master, i don't see US agent getting the win over wolverine.

Originally posted by qqqqqqq
the taskmaster was easily defeated by mister x in the bloodsport tournament and wolverine later using his berzerker fury 'almost' killed mister x

Well to be fair Mister X was reading his opponents minds as he fought. Mr X was owning Logan too till he figured it out and just went on instinct.

Originally posted by qqqqqqq
if wolverine can beat the guy who defeated US agent's master, i don't see US agent getting the win over wolverine.

ABC logic.