Illuminatti vs JLA

Strange doesn't think at FTL afaik, nor does he ordinarily move at FTL.

Have anything to indicate that Strange's forcefields are autonomous and function without the need for thought, in particular conscious thought?

auto-shields

and yes, he doesnt ordinarily move at ftl speeds, but he has and can.

Has and can with time and magic, I'm sure.

The scan, you've taken from long pig's thread, basically shows he doesn't have FTL mental processing speed without any preparatory action.

A blast from a robot named Voltorg, huh? The auto-shields don't seem to be all that, compared to his consciously activated forcefields.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Has and can with time and magic, I'm sure.

The scan, you've taken from long pig's thread, basically shows he doesn't have FTL mental processing speed without any preparatory action.

A blast from a robot named Voltorg, huh? The auto-shields don't seem to be all that, compared to his consciously activated forcefields.

The strength of the shields is up to the writer, obviously. I've seen them take surprise hits from juggernaut, so they can take some punishment.

Strange's mastery of time is simply too much for the JLA to deal with. He can stop, reverse, and travel through it at will, essentially giving the illuminati infinite prep time and nullifying any speedblitzes.

I'm surprised black bolt is so heavily underrated in this fight. He has so many powers he's almost a mini surfer- in addition to that scream that hits with the force of a ten megaton nuke(!) Black bolt has serious matter manipulation abilities and has created antimatter out of nothing! an antimatter attack would pretty much obliterate anyone on the opposing side who happened to survive a scream.

The scream also isn't sonic- it's an electron based assault, and moves quite a bit faster than the speed of sound.

I'd give this fight to the illuminati in a heartbeat

^so would i. i forgot about Strange's mastery over time itself. he would freeze time and just BFR them into oblivion.

If there was even the teeniest tiniest prep, I would probably be just as inclined to give the Illuminati an easy win purely due to Strange. I know both he and his shields are uber.

Looking back through Strange threads, the idea that he's not susceptible to a speedblitz from FTL characters in no prep matches is relatively novel. Assuming absolutely no prep, and considering his spells and stronger shields require time, albeit very small amount of time, I'm personally unconvinced of this or that his autoshields would hold up to a barrage of lightspeed punches from cl100s.

Leaving aside Strange for a moment and ignoring Batman, Mr Fantastic and Xavier, who frankly I think are irrelevant, the overall power and/or speed of the JLA surpass the Illuminati manifold. Strange would likely tip the balance, but whether or not he can be speedblitzed is iffy.

I think I'll go back to the undecided position. 😖

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If there was even the teeniest tiniest prep, I would probably be just as inclined to give the Illuminati an easy win purely due to Strange. I know both he and his shields are uber.

Looking back through Strange threads, the idea that he's not susceptible to a speedblitz from FTL characters in no prep matches is relatively novel. Assuming absolutely no prep, and considering his spells and stronger shields require time, albeit very small amount of time, I'm personally unconvinced of this or that his autoshields would hold up to a barrage of lightspeed punches from cl100s.

Leaving aside Strange for a moment and ignoring Batman, Mr Fantastic and Xavier, who frankly I think are irrelevant, the overall power and/or speed of the JLA surpass the Illuminati manifold. Strange would likely tip the balance, but whether or not he can be speedblitzed is iffy.

I think I'll go back to the undecided position. 😖

I disagree here, for a couple of reasons. If you assume that FTL characters would automatically launch into their most powerful attack right off the bat, (a speedblitz) it would also stand to reason strange would ALSO use his most effective techniques immediately as well.

This could be a time stop, a high speed maneuver of his own, barriers i.e. the crimson bands of cyttorak, etc. The bands have protected strange from supernovas. lightspeed punches would be less than nothing in comparison.

Even flash doesn't instantly start out at light speed- he needs time to build up to going that fast in normal circumstances turning this into a speed of thought contest in which strange has the advantage.

Think of it this way- not only does flash/superman/etc have to take the time to think to do a speedblitz then execute it, but also decide which opponent is the biggest threat and target them. All Strange has to do is think "shields up" "time stop" or "BFR", giving him the decided advantage here. in a one on one contest this might be a different story, but it isnt.

and I still think black bolt is being underrated here. The time it takes to pull off a full power scream is pretty much nil and it's VERY effective. a whisper has taken out an enraged hulk, stunned gladitor, and annihilated apocalypse. If ANYONE hits him with a speedblitz and he says so much as "ow!" it's game over for anyone that can't survive a nuke to the face.

😕 Where does Strange gain a speed of thought advantage from though? Superman thinks at superspeeds and can accelerate from the Earth to the Sun in less than a minute, while the distance between the Earth and the Sun is something of the order of 8 light-minutes.

Aren't GL and Superman the only ones on that list that really have anything close to the ability to speedblitz like your saying.
RD and MM are fast but they aren't Superman fast and Zantanna and Batman all are humans

So besides the two aforemetnioned Superman and GL I don't really see a big speedbltiz advantage coming from the other side.

Black Bolt is being highly underrated. He can throw down with guys like Thor he is no pushover by anymeans and he would more than likely take down Zatanna and Batman with next to no problem. MM could possibly be messed up even while fasing considering the attack is more electron based then actual sound. Superman could take it although his sesnes would more than likely be messed up and GL would be the only one possibly uneffected completely by a scream from Black Bolt.

Next Ironman while maybe a non factor with some of the guys can be pretty useful still. I mean he has fought Silver Surfer and Sentry both known lightspeeders. While I don't think Iron Man can really keep up with speedsters his suit is quite advanced and usually makes up for lacks with other things. Now I believe Iron Man could be a real threat to GL because he has taken Silver Surfer and using the power cosmic against SS managed to knock SS out even though IM was also knocked out. IM could possibly stalemate Supes for a breif few moments like his fight against Sentry

Namor may be overall a non factor but Namor has fought some pretty impressive people enough that to say he is totally going to get owned off the bat I think is a little miss guided. Now he isn't beating anyone save Batman or Z but he certainly can fend off anyone else for a breif few moments.

I agree though Xavier and Reed are non factors just like a see Batman and Z nonfactors just to easy to take out when the high powered blasts commence.

Anyways the Illuminatti have the strongest character in the fight and a couple of good distractions. Which should give Strange enough time to perform the spells needed to win. So I would give them a majority.

"pots" "ied" etc. Z's nowhere near as much a nonfactor as Xavier, Reed and Batman.

I'm not entirely sure how MM's phasing is supposed to work. Anyone?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
"pots" "ied" etc. Z's nowhere near as much a nonfactor as Xavier, Reed and Batman.

I'm not entirely sure how MM's phasing is supposed to work. Anyone?

Basically he's just separating his atoms/molecules till he's thin enough to pass through. Thats why energy attacks and such can still harm him

Originally posted by norrinradd43
Illuminatti:

Mr Fantastic
Black Bolt
Iron Man
Dr. Strange
Professor X(with powers)
Namor

VS.

Superman
Green Lantern(John)
Batman
Zatanna
Martian Manhunter
Red Tornado

MM reads stranges mind and makes him forget all of his spells in a nano second. Green lantern puts a bubble around BB's head. He can now not scream unless he wants to explode his own head and he can't draw upon any electron energy thru his tuning fork. Superman beats the hell out of Namor and Iron man. Zatanna Turns Mr. Fantastic into a chair and gives it to batman to sin on cuz he's not needed. Red Tornado's andoid body has no mind for professor x to muck with and he's basically fliped over in his chair by one good wind gust. If it's the Human red tornado, Superman can zap the professor with a flash of heat vision during his light speed creming of Namor and Iron man and leave the professor as a pile of ash before he gets one psy bolt out.

^Strange is a powerful telepath himself, MM isn't going to be able to do that.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah but just like your saying Strange wouldn't have time to stop time niether would Z especially with BB ripping aprat her atoms with his scream ripping her apart. So while she has the power to be effective she just isn't going to last and by the way X could just stop her from using her powers.

However if one holds that Zatanna can be taken out in such a way, then why not Strange by multiple and much faster attacks in a similar manner.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
MM reads stranges mind and makes him forget all of his spells in a nano second. Green lantern puts a bubble around BB's head. He can now not scream unless he wants to explode his own head and he can't draw upon any electron energy thru his tuning fork. Superman beats the hell out of Namor and Iron man. Zatanna Turns Mr. Fantastic into a chair and gives it to batman to sin on cuz he's not needed. Red Tornado's andoid body has no mind for professor x to muck with and he's basically fliped over in his chair by one good wind gust. If it's the Human red tornado, Superman can zap the professor with a flash of heat vision during his light speed creming of Namor and Iron man and leave the professor as a pile of ash before he gets one psy bolt out.

You start off wrong. Strange is immune to telepathy

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
^Strange is a powerful telepath himself, MM isn't going to be able to do that.
Zatanna can block telepathy. But on further inspection, Black Bolt with Inhuman reflexes may be able to kill her before she can use her magic.

However if one holds that Zatanna can be taken out in such a way, then why not Strange by multiple and much faster attacks in a similar manner.

Originally posted by marvelprince
You start off wrong. Strange is immune to telepathy

And yet the rest of the scenario is just as viable. Stange isn't immunt to a speed blitz punch to the face before he utters or even thinks one spell.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Strange is a telepath, but he's not on the lvl of Manhunter.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I recall someone posting that Strange has taken on Moondragon (with the mindgem?).

I"m sure if I look hard enough, I can find a scan or two of someone with Tp using it on strange. Or is he one of those uber charcters like Thanos, and Odin that no one wants to admit can lose.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
^Strange is a powerful telepath himself, MM isn't going to be able to do that.
Zatanna can block telepathy. But on further inspection, Black Bolt with Inhuman reflexes may be able to kill her before she can use her magic.

However if one holds that Zatanna can be taken out in such a way, then why not Strange by multiple and much faster attacks in a similar manner.