Originally posted by NewjakExcept Black Bolt is much slower than MM and Superman. Iron Man and Namor with their single digit Mach speeds aren't running interference on Superman.
Its based on the fact that only two people on the JLA team cna speedblitz and a scream from BB should be able to halt those two and take out two of teh members fro mthe team. PLus Iron Man and Namor can run some defense. And Strange has some autoshields and other tricks that he can use to help him last long enough. Z doesn't have that she has to use all her powers and her abilities are all human.
Originally posted by xmeat
HE SPEAKS AND CAUSES DESTRUCTION WITH HIS HYPERSONIC VOICE
Wrong.
His voice does not cause sonic damage- his voice simply destructivley unleashes his powers that he already has- namely, to manipulate electrons. Normal BB can use these powers with expertise via tuning fork- he's controlled a person's actions by messing with the electric connection to the brain, matter manipulated a pile of rock to turn into a statue, etc.
When he speaks, these powers are unleashed with much greater range, but BB has no control over it. Thus why everything gets destroyed. Its molecularily rearranges everything it touches.
Martian Manhunter has control over every single molecule in his body. He has expert control, and has easily shifted himself into complex forms without effort.
He should not be able to be molecularily rearranged. It should NEVER be able to happen, without magic/plot device/incapacitation, etc.
BB's voice is not magical. It does not use the power cosmic. And Martian Manhunter will be fully awake to anticipate it.
To quote BRH:
"Insert a quarter and try again"
Originally posted by SpunkySmurphWHERE DO YOU GET THIS STUFF FROM WHAT MAKES YOU THINK MM IS RESISTANT AGAINST BB VOICE WHEN IT ONCE KNOCKED SURFER DOWN AND STARTLED GALACTUS AND COSMIC BEINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SLEEP FOR MILLENIA.
Wrong.His voice does not cause sonic damage- his voice simply destructivley unleashes his powers that he already has- namely, to manipulate electrons. Normal BB can use these powers with expertise via tuning fork- he's controlled a person's actions by messing with the electric connection to the brain, matter manipulated a pile of rock to turn into a statue, etc.
When he speaks, these powers are unleashed with much greater range, but BB has no control over it. Thus why everything gets destroyed. Its molecularily rearranges everything it touches.
Martian Manhunter has control over every single molecule in his body. He has expert control, and has easily shifted himself into complex forms without effort.
He should not be able to be molecularily rearranged. It should NEVER be able to happen, without magic/plot device/incapacitation, etc.
BB's voice is not magical. It does not use the power cosmic. And Martian Manhunter will be fully awake to anticipate it.
To quote BRH:
"Insert a quarter and try again"
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Strange is a telepath, but he's not on the lvl of Manhunter. Besides, he's human, A speed blitz from anyone of the 3 fast characters can take him out. and So can zatanna. it depends on who gets the spell off faster. She coul easly say tegrof egnarts nad the resut would be the same.
As for Strange's auto shields, they have some decent feats. They've taken hits from:
Lightning
Juggernaut
molten lava being poured on him
falling from space
Bullets
Blasts from the black racer (who's blasts have ripped Watcher's shields)
Being hit by cars.
Being hit by Spiderman (Strange went crazy and was slapping Clea so spiderman jumps in and h2hs Strange. They stalemate in h2h and SM is surprised at how durable Strange is. SM says "there's no way this is the body of a normal man)
He was hit by the same blast that k.o'd surfer. It k.o'd him too, but he awoke in less than an hour.
As for his pre-cog. It's like a spidey sense. Surfer tried a speed blitz on Strange and Strange's spidey sense forced up a shield to deflect the blasts.
But, this doesn't matter, really. Let's say Strange's head is chopped off the first pico second (which...he can reattach as he's done before.), Strange gets killed but his Astral Form is still willing to fight. And since Astral Strange is as powerful as normal Strange (and unharmable by any means), then that's the end of the game.
Oh, Strange doesn't need to lower his shields to blast through them. If this was science, then yes, he'd have to lower them. But, this isn't science, it's magic.
Originally posted by B dot Rob
Bad writing. It's been stated time and time again that X > Strange in telepathy even with Strange in the room and I believe he's even admitted to as much himself and Moondragon with the Mind Gem is wayyyyy above X.
When Prof can give Galactus a mental whammy or scan the entire multiverse, pocket dimensions and all, find who he's looking for and mentally knock him out, only using his mind...THEN Prof can say he's in Strange's league.
Strange beat MoonDragon. MD beat Prof already, too. Strange is pretty much immune to mental attacks, and when he's got the Eye on, his telepathy is higher than anyone below Aggamotto. If you're under skyfather in TP, you're under Strange in TP.
Pretty sure in Warlock's comic The Strange came in and when the mind gem was used on him and it did nothing at all to him, MD was wondering how it's possible. Strange said he was immune.
Originally posted by long pig
It's never been stated. Prof X is called "The most powerful MUTANT telepath" or "The greatest MUTANT mind on earth" for a reason. That reason is there is a human with a porn mustache who's better.....in spades.
Possibly 2 or 3 times a stronger telepath.When Prof can give Galactus a mental whammy or scan the entire multiverse, pocket dimensions and all, find who he's looking for and mentally knock him out, only using his mind...THEN Prof can say he's in Strange's league.
Strange beat MoonDragon. MD beat Prof already, too. Strange is pretty much immune to mental attacks, and when he's got the Eye on, his telepathy is higher than anyone below Aggamotto. If you're under skyfather in TP, you're under Strange in TP.
Pretty sure in Warlock's comic The Strange came in and when the mind gem was used on him and it did nothing at all to him, MD was wondering how it's possible. Strange said he was immune.
I was wondering when you'd show up for this thread. 😄 And yes, Martian, J'onn<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Dr. Strange. Frankly, if the illuminati can give him even 30 seconds, it's over. And for those who say Zee can stop him, hell no. Zee doesn't beat abstracts. Zee doesn't punk Marvel Earth with prep. Zee isn't so powerful, the US govt. makes an exemption for her in the superhero registration act. As LP himself said, Strange losing to anyone under Thanos level is PIS. The dude CAN solo the JLA. Frankly, you might as well take the magic users out. Strange can win this by himself for an easy majority, and Zee could beat the others (if Strange is out) if the rest of the JLA can give her some time. This is probably a curbstomp for the JLA if Strange is out though. 😬 Yeah, he tips the scales that much. ✅
umm stop being a fanboy alot of dr stranges feats are PIS, such as when he stops time or defeated shuma gorath, oh and he never stalemated the IG warlock was just holding back and the whole scarlet witch thing i dont even know what happend there. One of the JLA just needs to speed blitz strange and then he wont be able to talk or move, much like slade did to zatanna
When you do enough high level feats, and consistently demonstrate the kind of power Strange does, it ceases to be PIS. Now, the IG feat is technically correct. Warlock was not going all out, but that's still pretty good for Strange to have done as well as he did. And you can't call beating Shuma-Gorath PIS, it's perhaps among his best feats and definitely within his powers. YOU CAN'T SPEEDBLITZ THIS GUY. And Slade would never have been able to beat Strange. Strange is the god tier of magic users in comics. I'd type more, but I'm tired. And Long Pig can do a better job than I can.