Originally posted by Sexyback
I forgot you needed authors to make up your mind for you.
And the key word = 'apprentice'.
Apprentice means dick. Maul, killed by and apprentice; QGJ, killed by an apprentice; Dooku, killed by someone just out of full fledged apprenticeship; Sidious, killed by and apprentice. All the Jedi killed by Dooku, a Sith apprentice. You can shove that apprentice shit back up your ass.
Originally posted by SexybackI seem to remember OB1 being kicked and thrown around, however, i don't recall Maul running from anyone. So whats your point? OB1 had to use two force powers to kill Maul...big deal. Do you remember something about "brainpower"? hmmm...
Yes, he did. He sliced his saber in two, kicked him like he was a little b1tch, had Maul running, and Maul had to use a force power to stop the onslaught.
Originally posted by SexybackKudos for not knowing anything about logic, Nebaris, Kas'im, Dessel, Crador, Planet, Sexyback.
Kudos for not knowing jack about sword fighting, Gideon.
(how gay are guys that listen to Justin Timberlake? hmmm)
Maul puts up a valiant effort, but Mace pwns him. I mean c'mon, he has BMF on the bottom of his lightsaber!
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
yea but kenobi didn't beat him. maul still won the fight.please excuse punctuation and caps I'm typing this on my Wii. lol
Wii, awsome.
And Kenobi was whooping Mauls ass in saber combat up until the point were force pushed him. I wouldn't say 'whooping him", but he was for the first nine or so seconds, then he was managing to go toe-to-toe, which just enforces my belief that Obi-Wan is a better duelist then people give him credit for. He just couldn't go all out because A) Ataru is not a good form to use when fighting a few feet next to partner, who is also an ataru user. And B) It took the power of Qui-Gons death to give him the morale boost that he needed to unleash his full potential.
Originally posted by GideonExactly, Qui Gon>Obi Wan in saber dueling and in overall power. Kenopbi justed did all those tight moves atthe end because he tapped into the darkside.
Blaxican, the novel makes it quite clear that Obi-Wan caught Maul off guard with his initial assault, and - if I'm not mistaken - he had tapped into the dark side.On even ground, with both combatants prepared, TPM Obi-Wan is no match for Maul. Not even close.
Originally posted by Gideon
Blaxican, the novel makes it quite clear that Obi-Wan caught Maul off guard with his initial assault, and - if I'm not mistaken - he had tapped into the dark side.On even ground, with both combatants prepared, TPM Obi-Wan is no match for Maul. Not even close.
So Maul was unable to handle a pissed off padawan, yet was able to handle a completely revitalized Jedi Master? If Maul being caught off gaurd proved to be THAT much of a difference, then Obi-Wan obviously wasn't THAT much weaker then Maul was.
Originally posted by Blaxican
So Maul was unable to handle a pissed off padawan, yet was able to handle a completely revitalized Jedi Master? If Maul being caught off gaurd proved to be THAT much of a difference, then Obi-Wan obviously wasn't THAT much weaker then Maul was.
The TPM novel states that Obi-Wan is not yet as skilled or as powerful as Qui-Gon is (though it does say that Qui-Gon believed that Obi-Wan would eventually surpass him by a considerable amount), and Maul wiped his ass with Qui-Gon in single combat.
Do the math, Blaxican. If Maul > Qui-Gon by quite a bit, and Qui-Gon > Obi-Wan by a sizeable amount - then the reason that Maul was being driven backwards was that he was caught off guard (like the novel says) and Obi-Wan briefly touched the dark side - which gave him a momentary advantage.
TPM Maul > TPM Obi-Wan by an extreme amount in terms of mastery, weapons training, physical skills, and overall power.
Originally posted by kamhal
Maul was not THAT much strong then qui-gon. They had a long fight and they were even, and only when qui-gon has not enough espace to proparly use his ataru, them maul won the upper hand amd pierced him.
Actually as I recall in TPM novel it blatantly says that Maul is Superior to the Duo.
Originally posted by kamhal
Maul was not THAT much strong then qui-gon. They had a long fight and they were even, and only when qui-gon has not enough espace to proparly use his ataru, them maul won the upper hand amd pierced him.
No. The novelization makes it clear that the only reason Qui-Gon did well was because of his "experience" (which, being a sixty year old man, is obviously considerably superior to Maul's own). He knew that Maul possessed more skill, was stronger, faster, more agile, and had much more training in a wider assortment of weapons. Not to mention the obvious martial arts prowess.
Skill? Maul, despite being younger and inexperienced compared to Qui-Gon, was much better.
I would say Maul surpassed Jinn by quite a bit as far as battle and power and everything. But knowledge of the force and experience and all I would say Jinn is better. When Maul took on Jinn at Tattoine for the first time was for a few seconds. After it, Jinn was exhausted and Maul was ready for more. That says alot.
Originally posted by Sexyback
True, but I'd actually say that Qui-Gon was technically better, Maul's speed and skill was just a bit too much for him.
Yeah, did you just glaze over my entire argument, completely? The novelization makes it clear. Maul's skill surpassed Qui-Gon's own. Qui-Gon lamented that Maul was faster, stronger, more agile, more skilled with a lightsaber, and had more weapons training than he did.
The Force is debatable. Qui-Gon hasn't appeared to be a Force titan (though his understanding of the Force is arguably superior to anyone in the movies) - but overall in a combat situation? No, Qui-Gon is not more skilled or "better".