Cyclops vs. Punisher

Originally posted by Sado22
frank's did a special course in sniping. i don't know the exact name for it but basically he's one of the best snipers in Marvel, if not THE best. so how does he get to hit cyclops in the jungle...simple he does what he did all these years: he finds the best spot (best view and well hidden which i.e the nearest tree for instance) and shoot scott.

actually it was the FIRST volume of Punisher. the old school comics, volume one. it was issue 9 or 10, if i remember correct.

also scott being the leader of a good team isn't a feat. nor does it give him a one up on Frank. and as far as leadership goes, Frank was the leader of the most successful platoon in nam that had the most minimal fatalities until their last year. he managed to do it despite the incompetent majors and generals in his team. heck, his team consisted of ALL rookies. they all died in the end but it wasnt frank's fault. the whole army base was attacked...not just the platoon.

leading bunch of teenage rookies into battle and surviving for many years>>leading powerful mutants who are heroes and have access to state of the art weaponry.

~Sado

respect

Originally posted by Badabing
They have supplements to boost memory.

Er is that supposed to be a joke? 😕

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yeah but do these so called memory boosting supplements actually work?

Originally posted by Badabing
Huh? What are we talking about?

Yeah what are you talking about?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well he did fight in Vietnam. He is well versed in that type of combat. Im sure Scott has trained in different scenerios in the danger room but will not be that experienced in that specific type of envinronment.

i have no doubt of that...

Man....thats way back in the 80s.

ah...

Well ok another one is being able to predict where a sniper would be and dodge his bullet, and thats without radarsense. Theres also him using prep to beat Spiderman on two ocassions.

sounds cool...

Well yeah I mean lets put it this way he cant be crap, but ive never really seen anything really impressive. Hell let me give you another example of what im talking about. Cap managed to also escape from restraints that were designed to hold Skrull shapeshifters, and that was without his shield and no powers....ok I know were not talking about Cap but you see what im getting at

i do, and im not saying frank isnt talented... are we thinking the same thing when we talk about tactical ability? i dont think we are...

Originally posted by Sado22
[B]frank's did a special course in sniping. i don't know the exact name for it but basically he's one of the best snipers in Marvel, if not THE best. so how does he get to hit cyclops in the jungle...simple he does what he did all these years: he finds the best spot (best view and well hidden which i.e the nearest tree for instance) and shoot scott.

you said a kilometer, your word not mine... 😛

a kilometer away, in a jungle and he's going to get a clear shot?

actually it was the FIRST volume of Punisher. the old school comics, volume one. it was issue 9 or 10, if i remember correct.

ah, ok...

also scott being the leader of a good team isn't a feat. nor does it give him a one up on Frank. and as far as leadership goes, Frank was the leader of the most successful platoon in nam that had the most minimal fatalities until their last year. he managed to do it despite the incompetent majors and generals in his team. heck, his team consisted of ALL rookies. they all died in the end but it wasnt frank's fault. the whole army base was attacked...not just the platoon.

sounds cool... it is a feat imo, as much for frank as it is for scott, if you can mould a team that doesnt fit well together into an effective force... that shows good organisation and tactical thinking imo...

leading bunch of teenage rookies into battle and surviving for many years>>leading powerful mutants who are heroes and have access to state of the art weaponry.

~Sado

not all mutants were that poweful, and scott was still in his teens when he was made field leader... he didn't always have the logan's and the colossus' that he does now...

state of the art weaponry? like what?

i'm not dissing frank, not in the slightest, but cyclops' skill when it comes to leading the x-men shouldnt be underrated given the amount of work he's put into it...

a kilometer away, in a jungle and he's going to get a clear shot?

and that's "alright". so you bet, frank will get him from a kilometer since he is an expert with sniping...and that means with weaponry much more powerful and potent than the R93.

that's the whole idea of sniping: shoot from hidden, far away places so the enemy doesn't even know what hits them.

~Sado

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er is that supposed to be a joke? 😕

Anyway, beyond Scott forgetting his powers or Punisher having a lot of prep, Cyclops wins this easily. Forest clearing blast ftw.

Originally posted by Sado22
the most common gun for sniping is the R93 outside the military. and they don't even use that in the military anymore cuz it's range is very small compared to the stuff they have in the army these days.
you want to know the range of the R93?
1000m accuracy=i kilometer accuracy

and that's "alright". so you bet, frank will get him from a kilometer since he is an expert with sniping...and that means with weaponry much more powerful and potent than the R93.

that's the whole idea of sniping: shoot from hidden, far away places so the enemy doesn't even know what hits them.

~Sado

You're missing his point.

Originally posted by Badabing
No. You said you have read all these comics but couldn't remember Scott being a great tactician at or above Punisher yet he's managed the X Men for years.

Yeah ok hes manged the X-men for years but im sorry I still havent seen anything to put him above the punisher. Its like people who say that Spiderman should beat Cap in H2H because of his stats but on panel he gets humiliated.

Logically yes hes managed The X-men for years but nobody has given me examples that put him above Frank. What I have seen from Cyke is strength of well but on the tactics side its been pretty average standard team leader stuff.

Originally posted by Badabing

Anyway, beyond Scott forgetting his powers or Punisher having a lot of prep, Cyclops wins this easily. Forest clearing blast ftw.

Yeah ok.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah ok hes manged the X-men for years but im sorry I still havent seen anything to put him above the punisher. Its like people who say that Spiderman should beat Cap in H2H because of his stats but on panel he gets humiliated.

Logically yes hes managed The X-men for years but nobody has given me examples that put him above Frank. What I have seen from Cyke is strength of well but on the tactics side its been pretty average standard team leader stuff.

Yeah ok.

Originally posted by Badabing
You okay today? You seem very serious... 🙁

Im never ok. You still havent shown me anything though. Sorry I wasnt trying to be overbearing I thought I was being frank.....no pun intended. 😐

You're missing his point.

~Sado

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I thought I was being frank.....no pun intended. 😐

No can do now with scans as I'm at the office.

Originally posted by Sado22
not really.

~Sado

Yes, you are.

His point was that most jungles are not going to have a clear line of fire that long.

is point was that most jungles are not going to have a clear line of fire that long.

and of course there is the bit where frank doesn't really need to snipe even. frank has been shown fighting in the jungles in:

The Punisher: born (his origins)
The Punisher volume4
The Punisher volume 1 % 2, where he's gone to cuba, mexico, brazil, etc. several times and taken out fullly equiped armies of druglords through such tactics. and sometimes without even sniping.

and there is the whole deal about frank being vietnam veteran and was fighting AGAINST guirella warfare. he knows both the ins and outs of it. also i'll post links from volume4 where he takes out more badguys despite having only one clip of an assault rifle and a knife.
like he said:
"one clip, a sharp knife, the natural resources of a jungle....and a lot of imagination."

~Sado

No offense, but you're still missing the point.

😆
who knows...all i'm saying is that Frank KNOWS how to snipe in forests since that's where sniping usually occurs. if your trained and a pro at it, the sniping is the best option. and i assume beign a sniping expert he'd know where he can get the best shot.

not to mention that he really doesn't need to snipe since he's done worse with just knives and 45's.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
that's the whole idea of sniping: shoot from hidden, far away places so the enemy doesn't even know what hits them.

~Sado

* true... but you've forgotten one important thing... "A CLEAR SHOT"... dude, it's a forest and you exampled several kilometers away...

* the whole idea of Cyke's blasts: removing the visor, unleash the mega-blast, turn 360 degrees, forest would be destroyed and Castle doesn't even know what hit him...

* okay, let's be reasonable: if there's no mega-blast, there should also be no sniping... the battleground is the jungle... Cyclops had defeated the X-men in the jungle, he's no slouch in that arena... Castle may have an edge on stealth but Summers have spatial awareness and can shoot him in variety of ways you can imagine... 😉

I say that Punisher snipes him before Cyclops gets that chance to do anything effective against Frank.

* true... but you've forgotten one important thing... "A CLEAR SHOT"... dude, it's a forest and you exampled several kilometers away...

* the whole idea of Cyke's blasts: removing the visor, unleash the mega-blast, turn 360 degrees, forest would be destroyed and Castle doesn't even know what hit him...

okay, let's be reasonable: if there's no mega-blast, there should also be no sniping... the battleground is the jungle... Cyclops had defeated the X-men in the jungle, he's no slouch in that arena... Castle may have an edge on stealth but Summers have spatial awareness and can shoot him in variety of ways you can imagine...

~Sado

What if Cyclops ran around the jungle w/o his visors on spinning 360 degrees the whole time?

GG