Cyclops vs. Punisher

Originally posted by pr1983
thank god someone said it...

wrong. he controls the blast the way you or i would focus with our eyes...

he cant turn them off, thats why he wears the visor...

check the cyclops respect thread, i put them there myself... and he had set the danger room to help hide him better...

Alrighty... i actually think punisher has 3 or 4 wins, but i give the majority to cyke, he's incredibly underrated as a tactician (even fury referred to him as a, and i quote, 'master strategist'😉.

Originally posted by jgiant
And frank is not a "master strategist", frank is not moving from his position, scott will be first to go for frank knowing he might have the upper hand cuz of his power. Frank will then know where he is and scott will die. Frank 8/10

i never said frank wasnt...

why is everyone so sure that frank will stay still but cyke will wander through the jungle blindly?

he knows frank (and frank knows him obviously), cyke isnt going to just walk through the jungle, he's just as likely to bide his time and wait...

and cyke will not, for one second, assume he has an advantage because of his power, if anything he'd consider it a hindrance...

Originally posted by pr1983
i never said frank wasnt...

why is everyone so sure that frank will stay still but cyke will wander through the jungle blindly?

he knows frank (and frank knows him obviously), cyke isnt going to just walk through the jungle, he's just as likely to bide his time and wait...

and cyke will not, for one second, assume he has an advantage because of his power, if anything he'd consider it a hindrance...

Originally posted by jgiant
Ok, lets say frank goes after scott, which he probably won't. He is in his element and will not be taken off guard. He served 3 tours in nam' and has fought off a master sniper called the monkey while there. Frank was a prisoner and escaped, as he wandered the jungle he found his men and killed them and then pained a skull, which was reminisent of the monkey medalion worn by the sniper (eventually to be punisher's skull) and he drew the monkey out of hinding and when the he was looking through his sniping scope frank waited and watched, and saw his reflection off the scope and frank shot him right through the scope. This was just when he got started, frank has had thirty years plus experience since then.

i'm not, for one second, underestimating the punisher, he's a badass in every sense of the word... but he's only human... scott has abilities frank doesn't, and not just his optic blasts, he also has an almost crazy level of accuracy...

he's up there with the best tacticians and leaders in marvel... i think frank winning 8/10 is a bit over the top...

Originally posted by pr1983
i'm not, for one second, underestimating the punisher, he's a badass in every sense of the word... but he's only human... scott has abilities frank doesn't, and not just his optic blasts, he also has an almost crazy level of accuracy...

he's up there with the best tacticians and leaders in marvel... i think frank winning 8/10 is a bit over the top...

Originally posted by jgiant
Scott is a great tactision no doubt, but he is a use to working as a team. Scott is not use to dealing with someone as stone cold and brilliant in battle as frank. This environment is gunna hurt scott's chances of winning.

he's fought on his own before... he's no slouch when it comes to one on one combat...

and he's dealt with magneto (who will basically kill anyone who opposes him), apocalypse (only the strongest survive), the brood, the shiar etc. and come out alive...

i don't think the environment is that big a hindrance to him at all... when the other x-men thought he was dark phoenix, the setting he created in the danger room was actually a jungle setting... and he managed to take down wolverine, colossus and storm, all with broken ribs...

Originally posted by pr1983
he's fought on his own before... he's no slouch when it comes to one on one combat...

and he's dealt with magneto (who will basically kill anyone who opposes him), apocalypse (only the strongest survive), the brood, the shiar etc. and come out alive...

i don't think the environment is that big a hindrance to him at all... when the other x-men thought he was dark phoenix, the setting he created in the danger room was actually a jungle setting... and he managed to take down wolverine, colossus and storm, all with broken ribs...

Originally posted by pr1983
thank god someone said it...

wrong. he controls the blast the way you or i would focus with our eyes...

he cant turn them off, thats why he wears the visor...

check the cyclops respect thread, i put them there myself... and he had set the danger room to help hide him better...

Alrighty... i actually think punisher has 3 or 4 wins, but i give the majority to cyke, he's incredibly underrated as a tactician (even fury referred to him as a, and i quote, 'master strategist'😉.

You said everything that I was going to say. Rock on.

Cyke has a pretty good shot at winning this, but I have to give the majority to the Punisher because his guns have a better range than Cyclops' beams and I think the jungle favors Frank's style of fighting. Frank would probably run like hell to get out of Cyke's range using the jungle for cover and then this becomes a one-sided battle. Tough to say though. Either combatant has the ability to end this simply by hitting with the first shot and Scott is a great strategist, but I don't know if he has what it takes to overcome the Punisher's advantages.

I'll say Punisher 6/10

Originally posted by jgiant
Impressive, is there all links in the cyc respect thread about this danger room pwning.

yes, i'll find em for you...

In Uncanny #175, defeats 6 x-men who believe he is phoenix... he defeats them all over the course of several pages, and with cracked ribs to boot...

Originally posted by Metalmanx
You said everything that I was going to say. Rock on.

😄

Originally posted by Sabretooth
Cyke has a pretty good shot at winning this, but I have to give the majority to the Punisher because his guns have a better range than Cyclops' beams and I think the jungle favors Frank's style of fighting. Frank would probably run like hell to get out of Cyke's range using the jungle for cover and then this becomes a one-sided battle. Tough to say though. Either combatant has the ability to end this simply by hitting with the first shot and Scott is a great strategist, but I don't know if he has what it takes to overcome the Punisher's advantages.

I'll say Punisher 6/10

you have a point, but i think cyke is capable of taking it, he is younger than frank (so i would assume has more stamina, he trains at least as much as frank too), has his blasts, has fought one on one before, and not alot of people would say this, but i believe that cyke, because of his condition, would have developed his other senses to a pretty decent level...

Originally posted by pr1983
yes, i'll find em for you...

😄

you have a point, but i think cyke is capable of taking it, he is younger than frank (so i would assume has more stamina, he trains at least as much as frank too), has his blasts, has fought one on one before, and not alot of people would say this, but i believe that cyke, because of his condition, would have developed his other senses to a pretty decent level...

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What are you talking about champ? Cyclops was using full power. His brain can't regulate the energy out put of his blasts so with out his visor his blasts default at 100%. And Cyclops has gone full power more then once. You don't honestly think that X-Men: Civil War was the first time?

Considering it was pretty much a retcon of every single instance that was previously stated on him going at full power.....

Bump

Originally posted by jgiant
Thats pretty badass for scott, but nothing that makes me say he's better than frank.

fair enough i guess...

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Considering it was pretty much a retcon of every single instance that was previously stated on him going at full power.....

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Originally posted by Faceman
Bump

why?

Originally posted by Faceman
1. On opposite sides of the jungle...

2. They have been told that the other person is their enemy...

3. Standard gear

Why not pr ?

Originally posted by pr1983

i don't think the environment is that big a hindrance to him at all... when the other x-men thought he was dark phoenix, the setting he created in the danger room was actually a jungle setting... and he managed to take down wolverine, colossus and storm, all with broken ribs...

Bare in mind that Wolverine stated that Danger Room had neutralised his sense of smell, so thats one reason why Cyke was able to take him out, but still impressive.

* because whatever Punisher has, Cyclops also has... plus a mutant ability...

Originally posted by peejayd
* because whatever Punisher has, Cyclops also has... plus a mutant ability...

Er ok dont exaggerate now. Cyclops is good at H2H but I wouldnt put him on the same level as Punisher.

Originally posted by Faceman
Why not pr ?

Originally posted by peejayd
* because whatever Punisher has, Cyclops also has... plus a mutant ability...

Hey pr ! 🙂

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Er ok dont exaggerate now. Cyclops is good at H2H but I wouldnt put him on the same level as Punisher.

Most people'd say they're quite comparable.