Compare these 2 scans...
Beyonder at his "best"= The power of millions of Multiverses combined:
Spectre at his best= Everything in DC, which at them most= A Multiverse:
Hyperbole or not, for the purposes of this thread it dosen't matter, because it was stated that these two are at their "best".
Both of those scans are the "best" power we know of that these characters have demonstrated.
So going by that, Beyonder takes this.
Originally posted by Galan007
Compare these 2 scans...Beyonder at his "best"= The power of millions of Multiverses combined:
Spectre at his best= Everything in DC, which at them most= A Multiverse:
Hyperbole or not, for the purposes of this thread it dosen't matter, because it was stated that these two are at their "best".
Both of those scans are the "best" power we know of that these characters have demonstrated.
So going by that, Beyonder takes this.
Only one multiverse? What about the various vertigo universes, some overlap some do not It's down to the writer imo.or Wildstorm?
You say that but whilst Crisis was going on Captain Atom was in the Wildstorm Universe which was unaffected by the Crisis. Interestingly he could not get home easily. His Universe was not part of the Wildstorm Multiverse perhaps and yet they have had a lot of crossovers?
Weird stuff.
The Authority are now in the "real world" but not really.
Originally posted by By Crom!Regardless, though I do think that Beyonder scan is pure Hyperbole, for the purposes of this thread it dosen't matter, because that's the highest level of power Beyonder supposedly achieved.
Only one multiverse? What about the various vertigo universes, some overlap some do not It's down to the writer imo.or Wildstorm?You say that but whilst Crisis was going on Captain Atom was in the Wildstorm Universe which was unaffected by the Crisis. Interestingly he could not get home easily. His Universe was not part of the Wildstorm Multiverse perhaps and yet they have had a lot of crossovers?
Weird stuff.
The Authority are now in the "real world" but not really.
And there is nothing to suggest that Spectre (Hyperbole or not), has ever achieved such power IMO.
Originally posted by Galan007
Regardless, though I do think that Beyonder scan is pure Hyperbole, for the purposes of this thread it dosen't matter, because that's the highest level of power Beyonder supposedly achieved.And there is nothing to suggest that Spectre (Hyperbole or not), has ever achieved such power IMO.
I think with the extremely powerful from different companies they are walking plot devices and limited only by the writers imagination and the plot.
🙂
The thing is Spectre cannot defy DC's entire cosmology and play with the multiverse...the greatest thing he has done was become one with the multiverse and everything in it.
Classic Beyonder has power millions of times more than that of Marvel's multiverse (which was Marvel's entire existance at the time)
Classic Beyonder ****ed around with Marvel's entire existance like it was a toy, and only at a fraction of power did he do so....
Classic Beyonder has the power to violate and over rule Marvel's cosmology, while Spectre must abide by and enforce DC's cosmology.
Beyonder wins.....Fatality....
Originally posted by Galan007
Compare these 2 scans...Beyonder at his "best"= The power of millions of Multiverses combined:
Spectre at his best= Everything in DC, which at them most= A Multiverse:
Hyperbole or not, for the purposes of this thread it dosen't matter, because it was stated that these two are at their "best".
Both of those scans are the "best" power we know of that these characters have demonstrated.
So going by that, Beyonder takes this.
If its hyperbole of course it matters because outside of said Hyperbole Beyonder has done nothing more impressive than the top feats by the IG, Phoenix and HOTI.
No talk about a Multi Death as that is just a creation of a certain someones that sprung from their interpretation of a scene.
Gotta go bed. Continue tomorrow. 😄
Originally posted by GalacticStormThe stipulations of this thread state that both characters are at their maximum powerset.
If its hyperbole of course it matters because outside of said Hyperbole Beyonder has done nothing more impressive than the top feats by the IG, Phoenix and HOTI.
In the scan I posted of Spectre at his most powerful, he did nothing, he has zero feats with that power, but I still count it as Spectre's most powerful form.
So for the same reason, I count the Beyonder scan as the most power he displayed as well, (hyperbole or not).
Make sense?
Originally posted by Galan007
The stipulations of this thread state that both characters are at their maximum powerset.In the scan I posted of Spectre at his most powerful, he did nothing, he has zero feats with that power, but I still count it as Spectre's most powerful form that we have seen.
So for the same reason, I count the Beyonder scan as the most power he displayed as well, (hyperbole or not).
Make sense?
Doesnt make sense at all.
You judge their comparative power based on the feats they perform. Beyonder hasnt performed a feat more impressive than Spectres best.
How can you dictate that a scene displaying Spectres omniscience is his greatest show of power and therefore be the one we are to judge how well he would fare in a fight?
The Beyonder scan is hyperbole. There is nothing on panel to prove that that isnt the case. Therefore you cant take those words and say theyre the greatest show of power the Beyonder has so thats the Beyonder we're going to use for this match up.
If you want to judge the greatest versions of these characters it should be based on their greatest ACTUAL displays of power. Battle feats and creationary/energy manipulation feats.
Not a Spectre scan which doesnt meet the criteria as it depicts omniscience and a Beyonder scan where hes not applying his power to anything for us to measure his power against (for example battling, or performing an action upon something) but instead just having his power returned to him whilst we're told how powerful those energies supposedly are.
Originally posted by GalacticStormIMO those scans demonstrate the greatest displays of power either character has ever been shown to have had, hyperbole or not. Thats why I based my decision off of those 2 scans+other high-showings of each character.
Doesnt make sense at all.You judge their comparative power based on the feats they perform. Beyonder hasnt performed a feat more impressive than Spectres best.
How can you dictate that a scene displaying Spectres omniscience is his greatest show of power and therefore be the one we are to judge how well he would fare in a fight?
The Beyonder scan is hyperbole. There is nothing on panel to prove that that isnt the case. Therefore you cant take those words and say theyre the greatest show of power the Beyonder has so thats the Beyonder we're going to use for this match up.
If you want to judge the greatest versions of these characters it should be based on their greatest ACTUAL displays of power. Battle feats and creationary/energy manipulation feats.
Not a Spectre scan which doesnt meet the criteria as it depicts omniscience and a Beyonder scan where hes not applying his power to anything for us to measure his power against (for example battling, or performing an action upon something) but instead just having his power returned to him whilst we're told how powerful those energies supposedly are.
If you disagree with me that's fine, all I stated was my opinion........ nothing more. srug
Galan was showing the Spectre and Beyonder at thier most powerful states...end of story.
The narraration was done by the writer on Beyonder's behalf, so to argue against what the writer wrote is ludacris.
Spectre fusing with the Multiverse is more impressive than anything else he has ever done.
Going by they are thier maximum stages, while Spectre is equivalent to the universes that were making up his form, Beyonder was equal to power that of millions of times the multiverse...
End of Story
Originally posted by Lord UrizenExactly. galan
Galan was showing the Spectre and Beyonder at thier most powerful states...end of story.The narraration was done by the writer on Beyonder's behalf, so to argue against what the writer wrote is ludacris.
Spectre fusing with the Multiverse is more impressive than anything else he has ever done.
Going by they are thier maximum stages, while Spectre is equivalent to the universes that were making up his form, Beyonder was equal to power that of millions of times the multiverse...
End of Story
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Galan was showing the Spectre and Beyonder at thier most powerful states...end of story.The narraration was done by the writer on Beyonder's behalf, so to argue against what the writer wrote is ludacris.
Spectre fusing with the Multiverse is more impressive than anything else he has ever done.
The scans do not show either character at their most powerful. The Spectre scan shows omniscience. He becomes one with creation and attuned to all that is going on. Genis Vell possessed omniversal telepathy. The Watchers are attuned to all what happens in the multiverse. Omniscience does NOT equate to omnipotence.
Narration when contradicted by on panel occurences is usless. Narration has deemed Wolverine as fast as lightning, are we to take that literally. Should i now make a thread about speed feats and post a caption of Wolverine apparently able to move a third of the speed of the light? 😕
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Going by they are thier maximum stages, while Spectre is equivalent to the universes that were making up his form, Beyonder was equal to power that of millions of times the multiverse...End of Story
The Spectre scan and the Beyonder scan both dont meet the criteria this thread sets out i.e them at their max power. The Spectre scan isnt even a display of power. The Beyonder scan is hyperbole.
Im going to make a thread of how powerful Galactus is based on narration describing him as the most powerful force in the universe, forget the fact that even at the time said comments were contradicted on panel. 😬
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The scans do not show either character at their most powerful. The Spectre scan shows omniscience. He becomes one with creation and attuned to all that is going on. Genis Vell possessed omniversal telepathy. The Watchers are attuned to all what happens in the multiverse. Omniscience does NOT equate to omnipotence.
Spectre becomes one with Creation, making him more powerful than he has ever been before. He is connected with all that exists.
Omniversal telepathy is not the same thing as becoming one with all creation.
Omniversal Telepathy < Becoming One With All That Is
Get it GS ?
Spectre did not just SEE ALL...he BECAME ALL.....
There is no higher power than being the most powerful thing in existance for a one time being.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Narration when contradicted by on panel occurences is usless.
I agree 👆
Good thing the narration about Classic Beyonder does not contradict the on-panel feats 😉
You DO remember that Classic Beyonder was only accessing a tiny fragment of his power throughout the entire Secret Wars saga, right ? 😬
You also remember how he played with the Marvel Multiverse (which was all that existed at the time) like a toy, at low power, and still had so much left over it was rediculous.....
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Narration has deemed Wolverine as fast as lightning, are we to take that literally. Should i now make a thread about speed feats and post a caption of Wolverine apparently able to move a third of the speed of the light? 😕
1) Show scan
2) It's called a simile 🙄
3) It's very obvious when narration is exxagerating, and when narration is sincere:
"Wolverine is as fast AS lightning"
"Classic Beyonder retains his power which ISmore than millions of times the multiverse"
If you can't decipher the difference, then I can't help you any further....
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Spectre scan and the Beyonder scan both dont meet the criteria this thread sets out i.e them at their max power. The Spectre scan isnt even a display of power. The Beyonder scan is hyperbole.
Spectre scan:
Combining oneself with all that exists is surely a display of power.....
Beyonder scan:
Attaining full access to your infinite power is surely a display of power
Again:
🙄
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Im going to make a thread of how powerful Galactus is based on narration describing him as the most powerful force in the universe, forget the fact that even at the time said comments were contradicted on panel. 😬
That's a good idea....haven't you done the same for Pheonix ? 😬
