Heihachi Mishima Vs. M Bison

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Muck101 America, #@^& yeah!
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Well, if the shoe fits...... 😎 I'm with Shin_Remy on this, there's been a recent influx of n00bs making crap threads like this one and frankly, they're lowering the overall quality of this section. Sam, you and I are hopefully in what Remy refered to as smart debaters, in that we try to win by logic and citing examples, etc. Sado is usually funny, but the evidence he cites is spotty and not to be relied on. And comparing Tekken to SF is pure fanboyism. Tekken cannot beat SF without a serious handicap on most SF characters. SF's top tier is untouchable by Tekken regardless. I'm getting tired of these repedative and biased threads polluting this part of the board. Which is why I've been in comics more often nowadays.

Well gee... I know I haven't been here long... But I don't think my threads are -that- bad...... 🙁

Sado22 Restricted

sado, you are a idiot
Sado,i love SF. and i will always defend it. everybody knows that. But it are people like you why i am not on the forum. HELL even SAm Z is smarter then you!! He defends Tekken like i do with SF.

okay so maybe i started the flaming by calling you a fanboy and sorry for that. though i can retort back i wont since i started it. once again, "gomen".
however, remy, you've been bashing non-SF characters for a long time and its peeving lots of people off...especially since you do it without any backing up of facts or a reasonable argument. if you bash up the tekken cast with facts i won't call you a fanboy. but since you use no facts, no proof but simply come around bashing nonSF guys it pisses me off, just the way it pisses of SAmZ and some of the other people here. get real.
you wanna use non-canon facts to prove a point. okay, how about terry bogard defeating THE GOD OF WAR. tell me Ryu can do that. he can't even beat Ken in SF2. you think he could take on the God OF WAR. get serious, dude. you do not prove a point by using non-canon facts. bison could very well destory the universe in a comic and that doesn't mean jackshit cuz its NOT CANON.
you don't know the differences in power lvl's

i havent seen anyone of the REGULAR HUMAN BEING SF cast:
-surivive huge explosions
-defeat Bears with ONE PUNCH
-defeat Ogres
-Defeat eye beam shooting Demons (the eye beam wrecked a whole forest up)
-defeat firebreathing, teleporting monsters
-kick people several feet in the air
-little girls like Asuka punched Jin 40feet into a boulder and crushed it
-Paul shattered walls and human size boulders with ONE PUNCH.
-Xiayou at 16 could kick a guy at least 20feet in the air (T3 intro)
-hachi headbutted a 7foot robot at least 30feet away
-kazuya picked up a 7foot robot, smashed it into 5 other 7foot robots made of bulletproof armor, broke all of them with it to tiny pieces and then threw the robot away at least 30feet away into a HUGE Buddha statue and shattered it AND the robot.
-Kazuya survived falling from a HIGH cliff at the age of 8.
-Hwoarang can kick people in the air a LOT
-Lily, a 16 year old girl, kicked a man shooting out of a door of car. the door came CLEAN off.
-kaz and hachi were breaking 7foot robots with ONE punch.
-bryan tore off the top of a tank and threw it 50 feet away
-Auska jumped off a sky scrapper as if it was nothing
-Julia could dodge bullets
-Marduk picked up two buff guy in each hand, knocked their heads together
-feng shattered a whole mountain with a palm strike

so yeah, you were saying something about "feets"? tell me one person from SF regular cast who could shatter a mountain with his one blow. and I MEAN REGULAR CAST. don't tell me of akuma etc cuz they are the godtiers of the sF series. tell me of the normal characters.
come on, tomadachi, tell me?

remulous made a bad name for himself when he showed up here. but he listed to older members. now he don't post crap like yourself.

remulous is fun and very reasonable. even if he and i disagree we don't flame each other nor are we disrespectful...at least not intentionally. and "listed" to older members doesn't make him a good poster. if the older members are posting non-canonical rubbish then it isn't required.
wtf you say that Heiachi can win from SF2 Bison. OOH Pleaseeee. no matter what version you use. he will rape Heiachi.
Don't forget, he destroyed the world in the SVC Comic. even it is uncanon.

you just mentioned a non-canon fact to support your argument. that is why you never get anywhere.
and i don't think that sf wins cause they can shoot firevalls. no they have far more impressive feats. uncanon and canon. and yes there are also tekken fighters who can beat sf fighters.

please list some "impressive feets" that the regular SF cast can perform. and please use canon facts or other wise....ora kaero-zo! 😄

~Sado

Remulous Frisky Wolf Lord

Originally posted by Sam Z
Hell yeah concidering that they can break through brick walls with minimum efforts and have all those lightning attacks, they are not ordinary humans. And I yet want to see a guy who can kill me buy hitting me in the leg. And I wanna see him somewhere but my TV.
C'mone, weakest tekken chars do something a real person could only dream of. Like jumping 30 feet straight up, or sending someone fly 30 feet up with a kick, or jumping from a 300 feet (or even higher) tower just for laughs.
What is Asuka gonna do when Chun Li hits her with a Kikoshou that was capable of blowing away cars and creates craters. Asuka jumped off a tower with her bike, not by herself, she aint stupid. Haven't you seen the guys jump down mountains in the deserts on their mountain bikes. The building was tall but not that tall. Chun Li kicked Vega through a brick wall and easily picked up a coutch. Defeating Vega is a feat worth mentioning. Do you think Asuka can beat Vega or survive in a fight against a fully powered Bison?

Superboy Prime Fanboy

Sad thing is I doubt the SF animes are canon.

Sado22 Restricted

Sad thing is I doubt the SF animes are canon.

they aren't. i hate when people keep on bringing anime into a discussion even though its obvious that they aren't canon. NONE of the animes are canon. same with comics. i don't know why people have a problem understanding that.
What is Asuka gonna do when Chun Li hits her with a Kikoshou that was capable of blowing away cars and creates craters. Asuka jumped off a tower with her bike, not by herself, she aint stupid. Haven't you seen the guys jump down mountains in the deserts on their mountain bikes. The building was tall but not that tall. Chun Li kicked Vega through a brick wall and easily picked up a coutch. Defeating Vega is a feat worth mentioning. Do you think Asuka can beat Vega or survive in a fight against a fully powered Bison?

remulus, the anime aint canon dude. if animes were canon i could very well tell you that Kazuya would KO ryu in an instant with his bad voice acting. 😆

~Sado

Sam Z Restricted
Originally posted by Remulous
What is Asuka gonna do when Chun Li hits her with a Kikoshou that was capable of blowing away cars and creates craters. Asuka jumped off a tower with her bike, not by herself, she aint stupid. Haven't you seen the guys jump down mountains in the deserts on their mountain bikes. The building was tall but not that tall. Chun Li kicked Vega through a brick wall and easily picked up a coutch. Defeating Vega is a feat worth mentioning. Do you think Asuka can beat Vega or survive in a fight against a fully powered Bison?

I actually never said that Asuka would beat Chun Li. She jumped from a freaking tower, do you really think that bike matters here at all. And those guys on the deserts never land on the ground, they decend on another hill and it helps to soften the fall. And that was 60 storied building at least. And punching Vega through a wall isn't impressive strength feat, Lili punched Jin through a wall as well. Again, I'm not saying that Asuka would beat Chun, I'm saying that 2d>3d rule doesn't work here and Tekken chars are anything but normal humans.

Sam Z Restricted

Originally posted by shin_remy
sado, you are a idiot

same over the same useless topic.

Sado,i love SF. and i will always defend it. everybody knows that. But it are people like you why i am not on the forum. HELL even SAm Z is smarter then you!! He defends Tekken like i do with SF.

you don't know the differences in power lvl's

and you are still a newbie for me, destroying this forum.

remulous made a bad name for himself when he showed up here. but he listed to older members. now he don't post crap like yourself.

wtf you say that Heiachi can win from SF2 Bison. OOH Pleaseeee. no matter what version you use. he will rape Heiachi.

Don't forget, he destroyed the world in the SVC Comic. even it is uncanon.

and i don't think that sf wins cause they can shoot firevalls. no they have far more impressive feats. uncanon and canon. and yes there are also tekken fighters who can beat sf fighters.

Yay! Shin thinks I'm not that stupid! 💃

shin_remy Senior Member

Sado is stupid

M. Bison will rape Heiachi, no matter what version. you overrate Tekken to much. and where are the people defending SF

Psychocrusher, Teleport, he can fly, everything Bison did in the animes are canon abilities. his uncanon feats are impressive.

tell me. what is the reason WHY Heiachi will win?He is in every way better then Heiachi.

He killed his teacher and the village and a destroyed a big piece of the country by releasing only some of his strenght

M.Bison destroying the world in SNk vs Capcom

PS: about uncanon things ... well everything they can do uncanon can they also do canon.

wtf you don't even know the storyline, you think Bison lost in sf2 from Chun Li or Guile....tssss BAKA!!!

Remulous Frisky Wolf Lord

Originally posted by Sam Z
I actually never said that Asuka would beat Chun Li. She jumped from a freaking tower, do you really think that bike matters here at all. And those guys on the deserts never land on the ground, they decend on another hill and it helps to soften the fall. And that was 60 storied building at least. And punching Vega through a wall isn't impressive strength feat, Lili punched Jin through a wall as well. Again, I'm not saying that Asuka would beat Chun, I'm saying that 2d>3d rule doesn't work here and Tekken chars are anything but normal humans.
Yes, the MOUNTAIN BIKE does matter, it's not like she jumped straight to the ground she landed on other stuff to soften the fall like mountain hoppers an desert hoppers who do the exact same thing in real life. Lili punched Jin through a wall not Vega, who would have shreaded her to bits, especialy in such a closed space. The point is she beat Vega, something many Tekken characters can't do. I'll take back what I said and admit Tekken characters a far from normal humans but 2d is stronger. Take all the 3d fighters on 1 side and the 2d fighters on the other. The 2d guys are gonna come out on top. Do 3d fighters have any planet destroyers? Also I am aware that most animes are not canon, but most stuff that happened in the animes do happen in the official storylines.

Remulous Frisky Wolf Lord

Originally posted by shin_remy
Sado is stupid

M. Bison will rape Heiachi, no matter what version. you overrate Tekken to much. and where are the people defending SF

Psychocrusher, Teleport, he can fly, everything Bison did in the animes are canon abilities. his uncanon feats are impressive.

tell me. what is the reason WHY Heiachi will win?He is in every way better then Heiachi.

He killed his teacher and the village and a destroyed a big piece of the country by releasing only some of his strenght

M.Bison destroying the world in SNk vs Capcom

PS: about uncanon things ... well everything they can do uncanon can they also do canon.

wtf you don't even know the storyline, you think Bison lost in sf2 from Chun Li or Guile....tssss BAKA!!!

Nice picks, Bison is very bad ass.

Muck101 America, #@^& yeah!

Heyyy.... how about you actually back the whole "Bison is the god of badass!!!" schpiel with somthing more substantial?

Sado22 Restricted

Sado is stupid

nice come back🙄
when he figures he's got nothing to say he starts posting crap like this....with pics from NONcanon places.
M. Bison will rape Heiachi, no matter what version. you overrate Tekken to much. and where are the people defending SF

oh i see you're point now since you've used such great sources to convince me otherwise.
Psychocrusher, Teleport, he can fly, everything Bison did in the animes are canon abilities. his uncanon feats are impressive.

no. and i said SF2 bison will lose to Hachi. in case you don't know:
SF2 Bison
-CANNOT teleport
-CANNOT fly
-CANNOT use mindcontrol
genius.
tell me. what is the reason WHY Heiachi will win?He is in every way better then Heiachi.

apprently all this:
"-surivive huge explosions
-defeat Bears with ONE PUNCH
-defeat Ogres
-Defeat eye beam shooting Demons (the eye beam wrecked a whole forest up)
-defeat firebreathing, teleporting monsters
-punch people several feet in the air
-hachi headbutted a 7foot robot at least 30feet away
-kaz and hachi were breaking 7foot robots with ONE punch."
...wasn't enough for this F@G.

He killed his teacher and the village and a destroyed a big piece of the country by releasing only some of his strenght

noncanon, aho!

PS: about uncanon things...well everything they can do uncanon can they also do canon.

nani-o kuchakucha iten-da-yo?!

wtf you don't even know the storyline, you think Bison lost in sf2 from Chun Li or Guile....tssss BAKA!!!

on tiamat's SFplotguide, the guys himself thinks that chunli or Guile beat Bison and then Akuma came and killed him. dumb@$$. so do yourself a favor and go read it. saa, uruse-na kono gaki!

~The Invincible Sado-sama

Sado22 Restricted

Heyyy.... how about you actually back the whole "Bison is the god of badass!!!" schpiel with somthing more substantial?

he's got his "engRish" to take care of that.

~The Invincible Sado-sama

Darkstorm Zero Master of all Decepticons

...........................................

This trainwreck got out of hand very quickly......

I'm glad I wasn't here to see it..........

Sado22 Restricted

This trainwreck got out of hand very quickly......
I'm glad I wasn't here to see it..........

yeah good for you.

~The Invincible Sado-sama
P.S. did you get my reply to your PM?

Darkstorm Zero Master of all Decepticons

Originally posted by Sado22
yeah good for you.

~The Invincible Sado-sama

IMO, it depends on which version of the characters are being used for the debate, if (As Sado said) they are using the standard SF2 Bison, then Hachi wins, not without trying of course, but Bison has lost a considerable amount of his power (The lions share of it actually)

But if we're talking the SFA3 Psycho Drive powered Bison, or the EX3 Shin Bison, then, and only then, does Hachi get beaten.

Originally posted by Sado22
P.S. did you get my reply to your PM?

Actually I only just got the notification for it now 😐

Sam Z Restricted

Originally posted by Remulous
Yes, the MOUNTAIN BIKE does matter, it's not like she jumped straight to the ground she landed on other stuff to soften the fall like mountain hoppers an desert hoppers who do the exact same thing in real life.
Ok, take a mountain bike and try jumping from simillar tower, good luck with that. And landing on other buildings thing won't work because the closest buildings were like 50 stories below Asuka. And in case of jumping in the deserts other hills still help riders to soften the fall, won't help in the center of city. Simply nowhere to land to.
Originally posted by Remulous

Lili punched Jin through a wall not Vega, who would have shreaded her to bits, especialy in such a closed space.
I'm talking about strength feats. Doesn't matter whom they punched, the fact is that Asuka is just like Chun is capable of that and even capable of punching someone through a HUGE boulder. Chun never demonstrated anything like that with her PUNCHES only.
Originally posted by Remulous

The point is she beat Vega, something many Tekken characters can't do.
And many can, including female characters.
Originally posted by Remulous

I'll take back what I said and admit Tekken characters a far from normal humans but 2d is stronger. Take all the 3d fighters on 1 side and the 2d fighters on the other. The 2d guys are gonna come out on top.
Well, first of all there are much more 2d chars than 3d chars so they surely will come out on top. Second, all this 2d>3d stuff doesn't WORK! It depends on characters only there are lots of 3d fighters that would whoop the floor with 2d characters. But thanks for agreeing on that they aren't ordinary humans.
Originally posted by Remulous

Do 3d fighters have any planet destroyers? Also I am aware that most animes are not canon, but most stuff that happened in the animes do happen in the official storylines.
Are you talking about DBZ? Because there aren't many characters in SF that can destroy the world, may be Akuma and it's still not canon. As for 3d Jinpachi conciderably destroyes the world if he wins the tournament.

Sam Z Restricted

Oh and Shin... You DO overrate SF TOO MUCH

Emperor Ashtar Balloooooooooooooon

Do people honestly think that projectiles and visible ki manisfestation is equal to power or skill?

Tekken and Street Fighter are almost even, with the God tier tipping the balance for Street Fighter.Not all Street Fighters are even a threat and the Street Fighter universe contains other games as well.

Also, why is asuka's non canon ending being brought up as evidence?
I don't think heiachi can beat even SF@ bison, reason being is because he still has psycho power.

He can still: Sheild imselfwith psycho power, incenerate and numb limbs, boosted stats, and I believe mind control which he used to win a trail against him (According to someone who helped in the plot guide)

Bison has speed over heiachi, and special abilities.

EDIT: Can people stop using non-canon evidence, beause I don't wanna see mention of feng-Wei crushing moutains and SVC:comics.

Sam Z Restricted

About that non-canon ending.
I do not use Feng's ending because his powers are boosted by scrolls in that video.
I don't use DJ ending because he might not get these powers from Jinpachi.
But Asuka simply demonstrated her strength. And it has nothing to do with storyline being canon or not.
I also want to point out (again) that I do NOT think that Asuka would beat Chun Li.