Originally posted by Sam Z
About that non-canon ending.
I do not use Feng's ending because his powers are boosted by scrolls in that video.
I don't use DJ ending because he might not get these powers from Jinpachi.
But Asuka simply demonstrated her strength. And it has nothing to do with storyline being canon or not.
I also want to point out (again) that I do NOT think that Asuka would beat Chun Li.
I'm not accusing you Sam-Z,no beef.
Originally posted by shin_remy
ooh please sadoyou are here a few months, i am here more the a year, i see the same threads coming and coming, and it got worser here since many fanboy's have shown up. PEOPLE LIKE YOU!!!
you think you are smart. sorry, other debaters like emperor ashter, superboy prime, darkstorm zero, brainchild etc etc, they are smart.
newbies are not willing to accept the differences between power lvl's here. and that's why i am not here on the forum.
yesterday when i came here to look. omg!! fanboyism showed up. a lot. that's why i posted.
it is not fun debating anymore
Originally posted by TricksterPriest2 good posts. I like damn near every character in Tekken(best character designers out there?), but I see Bison whooping that @$$ and I'm not a huge fan of Bison.
Well, if the shoe fits...... 😎 I'm with Shin_Remy on this, there's been a recent influx of n00bs making crap threads like this one and frankly, they're lowering the overall quality of this section. Sam, you and I are hopefully in what Remy refered to as smart debaters, in that we try to win by logic and citing examples, etc. Sado is usually funny, but the evidence he cites is spotty and not to be relied on. And comparing Tekken to SF is pure fanboyism. Tekken cannot beat SF without a serious handicap on most SF characters. SF's top tier is untouchable by Tekken regardless. I'm getting tired of these repedative and biased threads polluting this part of the board. Which is why I've been in comics more often nowadays.
Originally posted by brainchild81
It seems like they shoulda had more characters and they changed too many of Kilik's motions. I still haven't bought it & I don't see people on it in the arcade.
Shin Remy and Trickster priest have a point though. what exactly does heiachi have that would allow him to overcome bison. And please, don't give me some argument about who he beat and how he survived a blast in honmaru. None of those helped him against jin, I just wanna hear stats not feats.
And why are people slamming remy for using non canon feats, when I hear mention of Non-Canon feats like Feng Wei crushing a moutain?
He defeated Kazuya and Devil in Tekken 2 and then Kazuya again in Tekken 4. He also one-shotted a ton of Jack-4 Units and since in every game they are upgraded, they must be stronger than Gunjack who could take a laser beam from a satelite that vaped all of its surroundings but was uneffected.
So, that's about it. He has some impressive victories and even more impressive durability. I loathe Street Fighter so I'm not gonna say e can beat Bison. Just showing the facts about Heihachi.
well that was in the start of tekken 5 besides the whole father son jack 5 crush fest. But if you want stats ill give some dont know how acurate they will be but i will try my best.
Mishima
strength physical 9.5 he can beat jack 5s and they have a chop that kills you in one hit must count for something right.
exspercince 8.0 he is old as dirt but not as old as others in the tekken world.
speed 5.0 never seen him move all that fast.
endurance 9.5 again he did get blown up and has survived alot more then that like getting droped from a cliff when he was uncontius tekken 1
strength ki 4.0 compared to the fact that some of his moves have chi coming from his body but not as developed as some.
Bison SF2
strength Physical 7.0 his physical stength isnt his deciding facter based on the fact that he doesnt do all that much more damage then say balrog
strong but there are stronger ones.
exspirence 7.5 he isnt as old as Mishima but he has technicly lived twice and has fought against alot of strong foes.
speed 8.0 he can still teleport in this one but not as fast as the SFA version.
endurance 8.0 he has been thru alot of things his body geting ripped apart in an exsplosion of his main base, but he lost alot of it in SFA so he is much easier defeated then if it was that game.
strength ki 6.0 again lost alot of his power in SF2 so alot of his ki went with it he has still alot more outword power then mishima so this could make the diffrence more lasting damage.
if you were to add these all up it would still be a close match.
Originally posted by devilking666😱
well that was in the start of tekken 5 besides the whole father son jack 5 crush fest. But if you want stats ill give some dont know how acurate they will be but i will try my best.
Mishima
strength physical 9.5 he can beat jack 5s and they have a chop that kills you in one hit must count for something right.exspercince 8.0 he is old as dirt but not as old as others in the tekken world.
speed 5.0 never seen him move all that fast.
endurance 9.5 again he did get blown up and has survived alot more then that like getting droped from a cliff when he was uncontius tekken 1
strength ki 4.0 compared to the fact that some of his moves have chi coming from his body but not as developed as some.
Bison SF2
strength Physical 7.0 his physical stength isnt his deciding facter based on the fact that he doesnt do all that much more damage then say balrog
strong but there are stronger ones.exspirence 7.5 he isnt as old as Mishima but he has technicly lived twice and has fought against alot of strong foes.
speed 8.0 he can still teleport in this one but not as fast as the SFA version.
endurance 8.0 he has been thru alot of things his body geting ripped apart in an exsplosion of his main base, but he lost alot of it in SFA so he is much easier defeated then if it was that game.
strength ki 6.0 again lost alot of his power in SF2 so alot of his ki went with it he has still alot more outword power then mishima so this could make the diffrence more lasting damage.
if you were to add these all up it would still be a close match.
Sorry for the double post...
Originally posted by devilking666
well that was in the start of tekken 5 besides the whole father son jack 5 crush fest. But if you want stats ill give some dont know how acurate they will be but i will try my best.
Mishima
strength physical 9.5 he can beat jack 5s and they have a chop that kills you in one hit must count for something right.
Not really, since we don't know how much force is required to do that kind of damage to a jack unit that was designed for Kamikaze missions (The player version doesn't come equipped with the self destruct device as far as I know.)
Originally posted by devilking666
exspercince 8.0 he is old as dirt but not as old as others in the tekken world.
Yes he has experience.
Originally posted by devilking666
speed 5.0 never seen him move all that fast.
Only his attacks are fast, but his walking and jumping speed is slightly less than say... Kazuya?
Originally posted by devilking666
endurance 9.5 again he did get blown up and has survived alot more then that like getting droped from a cliff when he was uncontius tekken 1
The endurance factor is pretty negligable in the face of the power of ressurection, or unnatural power...
Originally posted by devilking666
strength ki 4.0 compared to the fact that some of his moves have chi coming from his body but not as developed as some.
Actually, for a "Normal" character, Hachi's chi levels are pretty high
Originally posted by devilking666
Bison SF2strength Physical 7.0 his physical stength isnt his deciding facter based on the fact that he doesnt do all that much more damage then say balrog strong but there are stronger ones.]
Balrig killed an elephant in a single blow... not an easy thing to do since killing an Elephant usually requires a pretty powerful rifle to kill, and a punch is much more blunt... and lets notr forget, that Bison's regular punches also use his Psycho power. it's hard to determine how much damage those moves would do without the Psycho Power coating around his fists ever y time he thows one out.
Originally posted by devilking666
[B]exspirence 7.5 he isnt as old as Mishima but he has technicly lived twice and has fought against alot of strong foes.]
Bison's experience is actually much higher, since he has said that he has gone through many bodies, not just the two your familiar with (I actually have a theory that he was once Hitler, but thats another debate 😛 )
Originally posted by devilking666
[B]speed 8.0 he can still teleport in this one but not as fast as the SFA version.]
Teleportation and flight arnt the only things he has, he has incredible leaping abilities, even without flight.
Originally posted by devilking666
[B]endurance 8.0 he has been thru alot of things his body geting ripped apart in an exsplosion of his main base, but he lost alot of it in SFA so he is much easier defeated then if it was that game.]
The fact that the Psycho power is... in essence, immortal (Since it's been passed down from host to host for god knows how long) makes this very hard to determine... besides the Shun Goku satsu, just what would it take to down Bison, or the Psycho power permanently?
Originally posted by devilking666
[B]strength ki 6.0 again lost alot of his power in SF2 so alot of his ki went with it he has still alot more outword power then mishima so this could make the diffrence more lasting damage.if you were to add these all up it would still be a close match.
I think his power is still higher than that, since he's still a fearsome fighter, even in SF2... hell man, it took Akuma to down him permanently...
Well i see that you didn't down my argument that much, thanks for that like I said I don't know how accurate the stats would be. but I know an-of to tell that it would be an amazing fight even thou in allot of the facts is that bison would win that doesn't really mean it would be easy for him.
I would love to watch it, after all Tekken and SF have allot of charters that I love like Jin and Ryu and the similarities are amazing. In terms of the charters personality's and rivals.