Originally posted by Superboy PrimeIf Ryu can withstand land mass destroying punches and Ken's FLAMING Shoryuken why can't he withstand Hayabusa's nimpo? Hayabusa's nimpo more versitile, how? Even if it is Ryu's Hadou is much more destructive. How is Hayabusa faster? I know he's a ninja but why wouldn't Ryu be as fast if not faster. Dark Ryu has the ability to teleport as well, not only that but he has the Shungokusatsu, which will instantly kill Hayabusa. Ryu also has the Shinshoryuken as well. I'll admit that with weapons this is Hayabusa's fight but with out them Ryu will take this.
Now now when was it confirmed that the SF 2 anime is canon? I said Ryu can unleash devastating Nimpo in an instant as seen in his DOA4 ending. Ryu can also surround himself with fireballs that will make Hayabusa invulnerable for a time and will burn anything that makes contact with them. As I said earlier Hayabusa's nimpo is far more versatile than Ryu's hadou, and while Ryu may have island shattering punches he still lacks the speed to actually hit Hayabusa, and even then Hayabusa can teleport out of harm's way.
Hayabusa can run on water. Not even Ryu has shown himself capable of pulling a feat like that. Hayabusa's Nimpo is indeed more versatile than the Hadou. It can grant him invulnerability and he can summon lightning, fire blasts, Ice Storms, etc. Ryu pretty much spams hadoukens all over the place. Also Dark Ryu does not have the Shungokusatsu in canon. He never performed it, if he did he would have followed Gouki's path. Not that it matters because Hayabusa has come back from the dead before.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeRyu has never ran on water becuase he's never needed to. Just becuase he can't do it doesn't mean he can't Naruto can run on water but that doesn't mean he can beat Percect Cell. That nimpo is versatile and tricky but that doesn't mean it's strong. Ryu has fought poeple capable of destryoing mountains, comets, and Titanic like ships. Nimpo is not powerful enough to destroy mountains and entire islands. Ryu doesn't spam Hadoukens, in actual battles he he hardly uses it. Just becuase Ryu never used the Shungokusatsu doesn't mean he can't do it, he wasnt even in Satsui No Hadou long enough to show off the full extent of his ablities. If Hayabusa does come bcak to life he can just preform the attack again.
Hayabusa can run on water. Not even Ryu has shown himself capable of pulling a feat like that. Hayabusa's Nimpo is indeed more versatile than the Hadou. It can grant him invulnerability and he can summon lightning, fire blasts, Ice Storms, etc. Ryu pretty much spams hadoukens all over the place. Also Dark Ryu does not have the Shungokusatsu in canon. He never performed it, if he did he would have followed Gouki's path. Not that it matters because Hayabusa has come back from the dead before.
Originally posted by Remulous
Ryu has never ran on water becuase he's never needed to. Just becuase he can't do it doesn't mean he can't Naruto can run on water but that doesn't mean he can beat Percect Cell. That nimpo is versatile and tricky but that doesn't mean it's strong. Ryu has fought poeple capable of destryoing mountains, comets, and Titanic like ships. Nimpo is not powerful enough to destroy mountains and entire islands. Ryu doesn't spam Hadoukens, in actual battles he he hardly uses it. Just becuase Ryu never used the Shungokusatsu doesn't mean he can't do it, he wasnt even in Satsui No Hadou long enough to show off the full extent of his ablities. If Hayabusa does come bcak to life he can just preform the attack again.
It's sad that you have to lower the debate to IFs. Ifs are not practical when you're debating. And who says that Nimpo is not destructive? It has enough power to destroy an aircraft without prep.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeNo buddy, what's sad is how you water down Ryu's capabilities. I mean the guy is no DBZ allstar and neither is Hayabusa contrary to popular belief. An aircraft is not as tough as an island a comet or a mountain which Gouki destroyed with single physical strikes, most people even forget he wasn't even Shin. Most people forget that by the time of 3rd Strike Ryu is not that far behind Gouki if behind at all, Ryu most likely is but not by that much. Weapons Haybusa can do it but the hand to hand Hayabusa used in DOA is not as strong as people make him seem. I got a question, who do you believe will win, Strider Hiryu or Ryu Hayabusa?
It's sad that you have to lower the debate to IFs. Ifs are not practical when you're debating. And who says that Nimpo is not destructive? It has enough power to destroy an aircraft without prep.
Seriously in this forum Hayabusa is the undisputed most overrated character i have ever seen besides revan and bane in the SWV
And lightness trust me, fanboys of haya are going to say "Zomg but he can teleport!!!!! he can walk on water!!!! He haqs nimpo!!!"
And never asking the question, what if the battle fit ryus situation and not hayas?
Feat wars can be irrelevant sometimes
Originally posted by Remulous
No buddy, what's sad is how you water down Ryu's capabilities. I mean the guy is no DBZ allstar and neither is Hayabusa contrary to popular belief. An aircraft is not as tough as an island a comet or a mountain which Gouki destroyed with single physical strikes, most people even forget he wasn't even Shin. Most people forget that by the time of 3rd Strike Ryu is not that far behind Gouki if behind at all, Ryu most likely is but not by that much. Weapons Haybusa can do it but the hand to hand Hayabusa used in DOA is not as strong as people make him seem. I got a question, who do you believe will win, Strider Hiryu or Ryu Hayabusa?
I have zero knowledge about Strider Hiryu, so I rather not comment on the matchup. I am not watering down Ryu's capabilities, but I am 100% certain Ryu is not as fast as Hayabusa. In my scenario Ryu could be throwing planet busting punches left and right, but if any of them fail to connect it will do him no good. One teleportation out of harm's way a fair distance from Ryu and an instantaneous Nimpo blast. Rinse and repeat.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Seriously in this forum Hayabusa is the undisputed most overrated character i have ever seen besides revan and bane in the SWVAnd lightness trust me, fanboys of haya are going to say "Zomg but he can teleport!!!!! he can walk on water!!!! He haqs nimpo!!!"
And never asking the question, what if the battle fit ryus situation and not hayas?Feat wars can be irrelevant sometimes
How can the battle fit Ryu's situation? You mean stacking the odds in Ryu's favor? Then sure strip Haya of his weapons, Nimpo and his ability to come back from the dead and it will suit Ryu.
How is Hayabusa faster than Ryu? So Ryu dodging bullets from like a foot away aint fast? Bty, Ryu did this when he was in his early 20s, by now Ryu is several times faster than that by now. If Hayabusa can make Ryu's speed look like a cake walk than Hayabusa's speed has to be on a DBZ level which it aint. There is no proof that Hayabusa is faster than Ryu. Haybusa can have the nimpo which is actually magic but it looks f**ked up having to beat down a bare handed fighter with the friggen Dragon Sword.
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Originally posted by lightness
even ryu with weapons would have a hard time with akuma though. the guy can destroy mountains with a palm and pretty much has a send to hell move
Hayabusa could have all the weapons in Ninja Gaiden, he wont beat Gouki especialy not Shin Gouki.
Originally posted by Remulous
How is Hayabusa faster than Ryu?
How is he not?!
Originally posted by Remulous
So Ryu dodging bullets from like a foot away aint fast? Bty, Ryu did this when he was in his early 20s, by now Ryu is several times faster than that by now.
Ryu, only dodged bullets in alpha the movie, he never did it in the official timeline. Ryu, has been stated to have the ability to dodge bullets but has never demonstrated it.
Originally posted by RemulousIf Hayabusa can make Ryu's speed look like a cake walk than Hayabusa's speed has to be on a DBZ level which it aint. There is no proof that Hayabusa is faster than Ryu. Haybusa can have the nimpo which is actually magic but it looks f**ked up having to beat down a bare handed fighter with the friggen Dragon Sword.
Hayabusa, with his barehands defeated a Over-Dimensinal magical being who covered the planet with a cloud of choas and ripped holes between dimensions.
As for speed, hayabusa moves so fast he can vanish and can run on water with his speed. The dude is a speedster, and ryu isn't.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarHayabusa has hardly done any of that in DOA. Who the hell has Hayabusa beaten with his bare hands?The bottom line is the fighting game versions of Ryu will beat the fighting game versions of Hayabusa.
How is he not?!Ryu, only dodged bullets in alpha the movie, he never did it in the official timeline. Ryu, has been stated to have the ability to dodge bullets but has never demonstrated it.
Hayabusa, with his barehands defeated a Over-Dimensinal magical being who covered the planet with a cloud of choas and ripped holes between dimensions.
As for speed, hayabusa moves so fast he can vanish and can run on water with his speed. The dude is a speedster, and ryu isn't.