The Punisher vs DC earth.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I suppose not, if things can viably be taken (either by force, with the person's consent, or without the person's knowledge) entirely self-sufficiently.

If its not taken by force that could be oustide help. Im also not sure if you force people to do things thats really help, but oit can be seen that way.

Im also not sure if the no oustide help rules does not apply to prep. In the outside help rules it gives an example which does not include prep ie when Batman is fighting X he cant aks help from Avengers, that is not a prep situation, but since the rules state "unless montioned otherwise" that could be considered to be the case. I am of the opinion that the rule pplies to no-prep situatrion because of the example given

Vandal Savage is immortal,but not bullet proof.

Ragman isn't bullet-proof.

Punisher may be screwed,considering he'd need to kill Ragman thousands of times over,and Ragman would be able to sense whereever he is after the first kill.

Originally posted by Alfheim
If its not taken by force that could be oustide help. Im also not sure if you force people to do things thats really help, but oit can be seen that way.

Im also not sure if the no oustide help rules does not apply to prep. In the outside help rules it gives an example which does not include prep ie when Batman is fighting X he cant aks help from Avengers, that is not a prep situation, but since the rules state "unless montioned otherwise" that could be considered to be the case. I am of the opinion that the rule pplies to no-prep situatrion because of the example given

The outside help rule always applies unless it's specifically stated to be ignored, it even states that it applies whether prep is specified or not with "even in scenario matches." Captain America can't call in the Avengers in a fight against Batman in a prep fight either. Nor can Batman call in the JLA prior to the fight, otherwise every Batman vs Captain America thread on here (and there are like a dozen) just became JLA vs Avengers.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
"even in scenario matches."

Right. In that case Punisher can steal equipment. In sceond thoughst though is forcing somebody to do something "help", I would say that it could be seen that way. If somebody forces you to help in a crinimnal act under pain of death you can get off according to the law.

It doesn't matter,once again Ragman will save the DCU haermm

Is Phantom Stranger technically bulletproof or not?

Originally posted by Alfheim
On second thought though is forcing somebody to do something "help", I would say that it could be seen that way. If somebody forces you to help in a criminal act under pain of death you can get off according to the law.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Is Phantom Stranger technically bulletproof or not?

I'm not sure I get the relevance of criminal law to the "Outside Help" rule

Well think about it.

PS isn't bullet proof....but if a bullet hit him it wouldn't do a thing

That sounds like the definition of bullet proof.

Originally posted by Bentley
That sounds like the definition of bullet proof.

At any rate I see Pun stealing some reality warping tech from AIM. He can hack into their files and look at what tech they usedo create the cosmic cube and most likey even if AIm dont have the cosmic cube they may hve something similar or less powerful.

As far as I'm aware there aren't any Cosmic Containment Devices remaining on Marvel Earth.

That AIM once managed to create a Containment Device that accidently drew in the embryonic Kubik doesn't at all imply that they could replicate the process/accident nor that they have any reality warping technology at all.

If the Phantom Stranger is not technically bulletproof and therefore falls under those that must be killed then there's absolutely no way Punisher can conceivably win whatsoever.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
As far as I'm aware there aren't any Cosmic Containment Devices remaining on Marvel Earth.

That AIM once managed to create a Containment Device that accidently drew in the embryonic Kubik doesn't at all imply that they could replicate the process/accident nor that they have any reality warping technology at all.

How do you decide what tech they do have? To be quite honest with you the possibilities are endless.

Warpdrive by the way warps reality. To be quite honest with you its not that hard to come up withs eomthign that warps reality but wether it can do it on the level of the CC is another matter all together.

I think its possible that they have other containment devices.

Do they have other embryonic Kubik entities to accidently empower said hypothetical containment devices of which there's no evidence of actual existence?

I took that since you stated "reality warping" you meant reality warping as is colloquially known. I actually can't think of any technological, conventionally mechanically powered reality warping (in the Scarlet Witch sense of the term) "devices" right now. While I can think of magical and cosmic artifacts, mutants or otherwise naturally powered warpers etc. So I don't see how it's "not that hard" to come up with them. 😬

I didn't state whether they did or did not have any particular technology, I stated that there's no evidence to suggest that said technology is in their possession. Providing proof is the burden of one making a positive claim.

Also... Phantom Stranger.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I didn't state whether they did or did not have any particular technology,

You said as far as you know they didnt have any CCs..... 😕 .....which means you dont think they have any CCs....as far as you know.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

I stated that there's no evidence to suggest that said technology is in their possession. Providing proof is the burden of one making a positive claim.

Yes you did say that as well......which is what I was trying to do. 🙄

Anyway we know they created CCs. From my understanding if you create something you will have plans, prototypes, parts lying around. For example if a car maunfacturer creates a car. They would hve prototypes and parts lying in the factory even after they have finished creating the device.

They dont have emybroynic kuibiks but im sure somebody with enough motivation can find something else.

I thought you were referring to my second paragraph when saying I shouldn't state that they don't have reality warping technology. I didn't state that they don't have any reality warping technology, I just stated there's no evidence to suggest that they do, and that using that they've previously created a Cosmic Cube (partially accidentally) as justification for this assertion is flawed.

I did state that I'm not aware of there being any Cosmic Containment Units on Earth. Then again I didn't definitively say there are conclusively no CCUs on Earth - I'm CCU agnostic let's say.

What exactly are you suggesting would empower any (hypothetical but unsubstantiated) prototypic CCUs? What makes you think that would work at all? What happens to a prototypic car if you try and shampoo into the gas tank to fuel it?

Also... Phantom Stranger.

Punisher throws DC earth into the sun

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I thought you were referring to my second paragraph when saying I shouldn't state that they don't have reality warping technology. I didn't state that they don't have any reality warping technology, I just stated there's no evidence to suggest that they do, and that using that they've previously created a Cosmic Cube (partially accidentally) as justification for this assertion is flawed.

I did state that I'm not aware of there being any Cosmic Containment Units on Earth. Then again I didn't definitively say there are conclusively no CCUs on Earth - I'm CCU agnostic let's say.

Anwyay nevermind i'll deal with the rest of your post

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

What exactly are you suggesting would empower any (hypothetical but unsubstantiated) prototypic CCUs?

Any other powerful beings, he has 200 years he could also learn magic and draw another powerful being into the cube.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

What makes you think that would work at all?

We cant say for sure but im working on the basis that most likely that they will have file of the CCs on their computer. The CCs have never really been shown hard to control but building it is another matter. He also has 200 years so he could follow the instructions and even posibly make one.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

What happens to a prototypic car if you try and shampoo into the gas tank to fuel it?

Its a CC, what it does is hold beings within in it. If it can work for Kubik why cant it work for other beings.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot

Also... Phantom Stranger.

Who? Im not Dc fan.

Phantom Stranger

There's no way to kill him.

Originally posted by Mr.Biscuits
Phantom Stranger

There's no way to kill him.

That means hes bullet-proof right? Then this thread does not include him.