Re: No guns = Better world ?
Originally posted by grey fox
M'kay , let's just say that some generic brand of Aliens have destroyed every gun upon the planet , and erased the knowledge of making them from our minds (we also have no way of re-discovering said knowledge) as well as turning all our nuclear weapons into lead.Would the world become a better place ?
Nah ow wud we shoot things if we didn't av guns.
Ur livin in the past man...quit livin in the past2guns 💃
Originally posted by ThePittman
There have already been two posting of research, what do you have?
To the first article, one banned guns from people living there it didn't ban guns all together so it's not even close to conclusive and the second town in which the crime rate dropped forced every citizen to have a gun.
Seeing as not every citizen carries a gun, nor will they ever that entire article is just a piece of crap.
as for the PDF File, I find it funny. It's obviously biased as it shows a clear opinion, it shows little facts but the statistics they do show mean nothing. In all cases we can see a drop going on before the law was passed after that we see a drop and a rise again, it mentions nothing about how many people died.
The fact is a criminal with a gun can do as much as one without it, because somebody can't reach for a gun if another one already has one aimed at them... Crime is dropping like mad here in Holland and we don't allow guns. Should I post statistics about that as to proof that not allowing guns reduces crime?
Originally posted by grey foxIf we don't have guns we'll finds an alternative, possibly one more violent.
M'kay , let's just say that some generic brand of Aliens have destroyed every gun upon the planet , and erased the knowledge of making them from our minds (we also have no way of re-discovering said knowledge) as well as turning all our nuclear weapons into lead.Would the world become a better place ?
Originally posted by FishyI am not disagreeing with you that banning guns will reduce the crime rate in general, however I would like to see some figures that showing banning guns have reduced violent crimes, not violent crimes with a gun but crimes in general.
To the first article, one banned guns from people living there it didn't ban guns all together so it's not even close to conclusive and the second town in which the crime rate dropped forced every citizen to have a gun.Seeing as not every citizen carries a gun, nor will they ever that entire article is just a piece of crap.
as for the PDF File, I find it funny. It's obviously biased as it shows a clear opinion, it shows little facts but the statistics they do show mean nothing. In all cases we can see a drop going on before the law was passed after that we see a drop and a rise again, it mentions nothing about how many people died.
The fact is a criminal with a gun can do as much as one without it, because somebody can't reach for a gun if another one already has one aimed at them... Crime is dropping like mad here in Holland and we don't allow guns. Should I post statistics about that as to proof that not allowing guns reduces crime?
As for the article, it doesn’t matter if every citizen is carrying a gun or not, with the common knowledge that everyone has a gun or could have a gun is a deterrent to the criminal because they don’t know if Joe Blow on the street that they want to rob also has a gun too.
The problem is with any study or article is most will be biased and cannot account to all the variables in the environment and human condition. Where as one state will show a drop another would show increases, you cannot get rid of guns or the knowledge of how to use them. Where the general public will not have access to them the criminals can still get them or build them.
Originally posted by ThePittman
I am not disagreeing with you that banning guns will reduce the crime rate in general, however I would like to see some figures that showing banning guns have reduced violent crimes, not violent crimes with a gun but crimes in general.
In this country every crime that is committed with a gun is counted as a violent crime, so yes. But that would then again depend on what you consider as violent crimes
As for the article, it doesn’t matter if every citizen is carrying a gun or not, with the common knowledge that everyone has a gun or could have a gun is a deterrent to the criminal because they don’t know if Joe Blow on the street that they want to rob also has a gun too.
If this is true, then the article saying that crime rate was reduced when people all had to carry guns makes no sense.
The problem is with any study or article is most will be biased and cannot account to all the variables in the environment and human condition. Where as one state will show a drop another would show increases, you cannot get rid of guns or the knowledge of how to use them. Where the general public will not have access to them the criminals can still get them or build them. [/B]
The thing here is, the street thugs can more easily get guns in the US then in a country like the Netherlands, of course they can get guns here but it takes some work to actually get one. So of course criminals can easily get it, it's not even all that hard, but the fact remains that most don't... And that's what makes the difference. A country that has fewer guns will have fewer gun related deaths, it can have more assaults that is true, but like you said relating them to guns is almost impossible. So the easiest thing to say here is simply, less guns is less gun related deaths. Forcing everybody to carry guns at all times makes the crime rate drop like hell. But would very likely increase the murder rate
You americans are obviously in favour of guns as would I if I lived in a country where they are so easily accessable. If you own a gun in your home for protection, you're probably doing it to give yourself a chance against a would be burglar because you know how easy it is to get hold of guns(therefore Mr.burglar might well have one).
In the UK, you don't need one really and in any case you can't legally own one unless its a shotgun or an airgun(with a license) and you cant carry anything remotely like a gun in a public place. You can get locked up here for waving a BB gun around in public(and I mean that). Despite the fact that more guns are coming into the UK, only organised criminals/gangsters and armed robbers have real guns in this country and the gangsters just shoot eachother anyway (and who the f*ck cares about that).
In the UK, only the complete fools will open fire in public and hardly anyone is dumb enough to even hold a gun/imitation gun/water pistol at the Police (meaning that the Police can help you against a gunman -whether they are armed or not).
I guess what I am saying is that real, proper guns with real fire power should not be accessable to the public at all in any civilised country, only to the Governent. Of course some of you (from the US) will say that that takes away your freedom and the potential to fight back against your goverment (as if you would ever need to and as if you would stand a chance anyway).
Thats the way it is in the UK and i would venture to say that we live more freely than most.
Originally posted by snoochyboochies
Despite the fact that more guns are coming into the UK, only organised criminals/gangsters and armed robbers have real guns in this country and the gangsters just shoot eachother anyway (and who the f*ck cares about that).In the UK, only the complete fools will open fire in public and hardly anyone is dumb enough to even hold a gun/imitation gun/water pistol at the Police (meaning that the Police can help you against a gunman -whether they are armed or not).
Okay, but I question how the behavior of someone carrying a loaded gun (for reasons other than occupation) can be so predictable.