Darth Nihilus and Darth Sion vs the ROTS jedi order

Originally posted by Kadesh
Well nihilus mega drain turned an entire planet to rubble, read unseen unheard, His drain not only kills his enemies but it destroys physical landscape and shook down buildings and his drain isnt just a normal drain, it dissintigrates everything it touches as the comic proved

I'm arguing without the drain. Again, I'm not saying Yoda can defend against it. I'm saying that, aside from his drain, there's nothing to indicate that he could defeat Yoda in one-on-one combat.

Wasn't it said that he cant see an individual force user because it doesn't even peak his radar? If so, how would he even be able to attack Yoda? Or any of them for that matter?

well i think thats fair enough.

We dont know what form he uses, But his has shown us incredible feats, pulling the ravager out of orbit and keeping it together with will power and note that the ravager is 1.7km long, and its larger than a victory star destroyer and about the same size as a Imperial star destroyer

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Wasn't it said that he cant see an individual force user because it doesn't even peak his radar? If so, how would he even be able to attack Yoda? Or any of them for that matter?

Well it didn't stop him from stunning The Exile and Co when they approached him..

in the cut content game, he actually suspended the whole party in the air and threw visas across th bridge

I will say this Yoda is far less powerful then Nihilus in the force Yoda has a hard time stoping a crane from falling Nihilus can hold a 1.7km ship as if its nothing

you havent indicated that yoda could do anything to stop nihilus, yoda was equal to ROTS sidious and sidious was not the greatest and most powerful sith, he was in regards to that time but not ALL time, why dont you prove that yoda is better then him in these area's with feets not just opinions, yoda could hardly hold back sidious lightning why would he just be able to resist the force drain. Nihilus has done things that are greater or as great as DE sidious, DE sidious took a while to destroy a planet, nihilus doesnt take that long, yoda can bring down massive droid carriers so what it seems nihilus can do things like this as well.

Well nihilus lifted the entire ravager which is the size of an imperial star destroyer and used the force to keep the ship together, he is showing far more power than yoda did,

And mider, you cant resist nihilus drain, his mega drain is different from the normal force drain, His drains force energies out of force sensitives, he replicated a feat which marka ragnos scepter which could also drain force energies.

And if he were to wipe out the entire order, he wouldnt dare to step into the temple, he would do it in his ship, If you see the comic, his drain is a massive black cloud swirling the entire planet and shaking everything down to rubble and dust, He would pretty much do that to the temple.

And lastly, if he could drain the force, couldnt he unleash it too? Just like the scepter or ragnos

I'm sure a constant barrage of Force attacks can hold Nihilus's Force Drain at bay. I mean, it's not instantaneous, is it? Doesn't it require at least a few seconds. If Nihilus was too face somebody powerful like Sidious, would he ever have the chance to unleash a Drain?

Now, I'm sure the Jedi can break Sion's will. As for Nihilus, I'm sure that if there a unison of Force attacks at him, that he'll die.

I mean, if Nihilus can Drain anything instantly, then he's probably the strongest Sith in existenec then.

For a particular technique yes, nihilus is the greatest practitionar for that, and the technique could have been instant, its not like it takes a long time for it to reach its victims, once you execute it, its like sith lightning, it goes strait for the enemy.

If you mean the other instant then i would have to guess its a yes.
Ask yourself, lukes emerald lightning is pimp and can kil anything instantly, is it instant? do you have to prepare for it? No he doesnt because hes a great master for that move.

Nihilus has the highest mastery of force draining technique and i doubt it would even take him a few seconds to summon it because as the masters charged to kreia, she quickly struck them down with it

These two Dark Lords destroyed the Jedi Order during their time. They will do the same with the PT Jedi as well.

I should make some things clear:

Darth Sion:

- Sion was a master swordsman. Sion was said to have mastered a unique style of lightsaber combat by combining aspects of Makashi, Dun Möch, and Shien. He will definately give Yoda, Mace and Anakin a very tough challenge in this case.

- Sion is immortal. No matter how many times you strike him down, he will rise again. Only chance to beat him is by convincing him and I doubt that any Jedi in PT period was very good at convincing others.

- Then it is said that Sion becomes stronger with each kill.

- Sion also knew Death Field. He could Drain multiple targets at the same time and feed himself in fights. I doubt that PT period Jedi have faced this kind of power before.

Darth Nihilus:

- A master practitioner of Drain power. His Drain attack was incredible and very devastating. Once he unleashed this power, no one could stop him.

- His TK abilities were also incredible. He held the entire Ravager Ship together through his TK abilities. I think that he would not have a problem tossing some Jedi around and throwing them far away with his TK abilities.

- Saber Combat is where he is weak. But he does not needs to engage Jedi in Saber combat after what he knows. Exile's case was different.

Conclusion:

These two Dark Lords will simply devastate the PT period Jedi council, even though it contains some of our favourite characters.

Sith Lords win.

Ok, fanboy idiots aside:

We know Yoda has mastered a defense to every dark side power, this includes Force Drain, thanks to the Sith holocrons. We know Mace can reflect Dark Side powers thanks to Vaapad....we know Sion and Nihilus are nothing special in saber combat to probably half of the PT council.

Conclusion that is not made by KOTOR fanboys: Nihilus and Sion are wiped out

Ok, fanboy idiots aside

Hey hey man, don't go Ad Hominem. Some people have arguments which they passionately believe is correct. Logic dictates for you to refute that as you somewhat shown below this insulting comment.

already have. I can't see anyone who'd defend the duo unless they were actually fanboy morons.

And btw: when you factor in what I said before, consider it refuted completely

Yes and it's the affirmative (I consider the affirmative the DS supporters in this case) turn to refute that and show how Nihilus and Sion can kill the entire Order, or at least kill someone like Yoda.

Which's impossible, as they cannot.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Which's impossible, as they cannot.

Do you understand that how Drain works? Their is no canonical evidence that suggests that Yoda can deflect a Drain attack. Nor there is any canonical evidence that suggests that Vaapad ability can deflect Drain attack. Drain is not like Lightning.

Yoda and Mace have never fought an individual who demonstrated Draining knowledge in the battle.

And Nihilus's Drain attack can consume an entire world. Just imagine the scale of this power and devastation it leaves behind. Read "Unseen Unheard" Comic as well.

Sion is immortal. He cannot be killed and how will Jedi convince him to die? He hates Jedi very much and will never listen to their babblings.

The only reason that Exile convinced Sion was because Sion had a soft corner for her. He a sort of loved her actually.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Show me one good reason that how Yoda and all others will survive a Drain attack by Nihilus?

The only reason that Exile convinced Sion was because Sion had a soft corner for her. He a sort of loved her actually.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yoda mastered all the defenses against the Dark Side, using Sith holocrons. Complete Visual Guiode

This attack cannot be deflected so "Force Deflect" is useless.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Vaapad reflects the dark side's attacks period. And what was true 4000 years ago doesn't apply to the Prime of the Jedi

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Prove it

Canonically - Malak, Sion, Traya and Nihilus have demonstrated offensive forms of this power in a battle. Exar Kun and Ragnos also could perform this ability.

So you give me one example that shows that Mace and Yoda have faced such an individual who could use Draining ability in combat situations.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Oooh, an entire world with less than a hundred Jedi. I'm amazed

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Big ****ing deal. Yoda can destroy Dooku's confidence in a heartbeat. Dun Moch will own Sion and even then, Sion can be defeated. Frozen in place, hacked to bits, etc

And after being hacked to bits, he will resurrect again. Big deal?

He is not an idiot or a fool who can be fooled by any Jedi. He hates Jedi and wanted to destroy the Jedi Order completely. Exile is canonically Female and what happened in case of Exile being Female is actually canon now.

NOTE: "If the Exile is a female, Sion seems to develop feelings for her, saying that she and Kreia are alike, but that the Exile is 'beautiful', telling her that " I hate because you are beautiful to me". He warned her about Kreia's teachings and even held off some of his assassins that were trying to kill her."

Sion was a sort of in love with her and his hatered was reduced against Exile due to his personal feelings. So it became easy for Exile to convince him to die.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
No, the Exile used Dun Moch on Sion to erode his spirit. That simple [/B]

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am not questioning Yoda's defensive abilities. Force Drain is an attack which consumes life from an individual. What defensive Form is effective against this kind of attack?

This attack cannot be deflected so "Force Deflect" is useless.

Female case is what is canon now. He develops soft corner for a female Exile, which makes it easy for her to convince Sion to give up his life of pain and hatered.