Darth Nihilus and Darth Sion vs the ROTS jedi order

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S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Stop applying game names. Yoda mastered a defense for ALL attacks of the Dark Side. Meaning he has a way to block it. Case closed there

Game Names? Force Powers have their specific names? don't they?

Again! you haven't told me that which defensive ability can block a Drain attack.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
It forms a superconducting loop between the combatants. Meaning if Mace focuses, a drain cannot reach him

An assumption actually. Not very convincing. And unfortunately for you - Nihilus's Drain consumes the Force itself from the victim. It is often referred to as "Force Slurp". It not only drains the life but also strips a Jedi from the Force itself.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Hahaha....Palpatine could use the drain on planetary scales. Don't whine about it being 'different' if you don't have a leg to stand on

Do you know that how Palpatine's Drain works? It very slowly consumes his victims taking months or even longer. It is not an offensive from of Drain and has not been used in Combat situations by Palpatine. Think before writing something.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
So's Palpatine. And the drain is still blockable.
Oops

No Palpatine's Drain consumes very very slowly and was never used by him in offensive ways in battles. Force Drain techniques demonstrated by others (names mentioned before) were quick and could kill enemies in a small period of time.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Not my job to prove the negative. Yoda has killed Sith before, possibly Bane. And Bane's order would canonically know the drain, given Bane's holocron.
Logical basis right there

It is your job to prove the negative since you are arguing for it. The real fact is that Yoda has never faced a Sith who knew offensive Draining ability. And since when Yoda has killed Bane?

And prove to me that Bane's order knew Drain. Post a direct example.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And less than a Hundred Jedi. Prove up

Again you are bringing numbers here, which does not matters. It does not matters that how many Jedi are stationed on a Planet. If Nihilus will launch his Drain attack, he will kill them all instantly with it.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Prove it! Sorry, your fanboyism isn't helping!

What Fanboyism I have demonstrated so far? I am just asking some evidences from you that can convince me.

It is stated in Sion's profile in wookieepedia that he knows Dun Moch. I know that you will say that wookieepedia is not a reliable source and all that but unfortunately for you, they use canonical sources to verify information and then mention it. Edited changes are only accepted by them if they are canonically true.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yoda and Mace aren't any Jedi. Sion is worthless against either one.

I know that they are among the best Jedi of all times. Sion would be worthless in a fight against them. But him being immortal is what causes trouble for them.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Oooooh, Wiki, wow!

They stated a fact that they observed in KOTOR II.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Bull. he died because he got his ass kicked and spirit destroyed

He was not defeated in a one-on-one Combat. Sorry!

Exile had to convince him to die and Sion's soft corner (hidden love) for her was one of the factors.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Doesn't make a difference: Destroy Sion in combat and then break his will down. Yoda'd do that easily

An assumption again. Dun Moch will not be very effective on Sion until Sion has soft corner for someone. He has no soft corner for a Jedi.

Sion hates Jedi. What form of meaning of this line you don't understand actually?

Lightsnake Senior Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Game Names? Force Powers have their specific names? don't they?

Usually no.

Again! you haven't told me that which defensive ability can block a Drain attack.

Oh, freaking....there doesn'tn have to be a specific name! The drain ability is just 'force drain', which is blockable by a Jedi of Yoda's caliber


An assumption actually. Not very convincing. And unfortunately for you - Nihilus's Drain consumes the Force itself from the victim. It is often referred to as "Force Slurp". It not only drains the life but also strips a Jedi from the Force itself.

It's the same booy thing as any othe rforce drain on a stronger scale, that's IT.


Do you know that how Palpatine's Drain works? It very slowly consumes his victims taking months or even longer. It is not an offensive from of Drain and has not been used in Combat situations by Palpatine. Think before writing something.

Now I'm gonna correct you: The reaosn it worked like that is because Palpatine USED it like that. He did it deliberately. PAlpatine knows all Darkside technqiues.
Why don't you think a little?


No Palpatine's Drain consumes very very slowly and was never used by him in offensive ways in battles. Force Drain techniques demonstrated by others (names mentioned before) were quick and could kill enemies in a small period of time.

Stop being stupid: It even pointed out Palpatine used it slowly DELIBERATELY as to not exhaust his feeding ground


It is your job to prove the negative since you are arguing for it. The real fact is that Yoda has never faced a Sith who knew offensive Draining ability. And since when Yoda has killed Bane?

Since LFL announced they were working on a young Yoda novel, which potentiall featured a final confrontation with Bane at SW.com months ago.
Bane's Sith would've known Drain since Bane did and would have passed it down in his holocron, or trough the holocrons he attained from the Ancients.

Oops


And prove to me that Bane's order knew Drain. Post a direct example.

I've formed a logical basis for it: They had both Nihilus's holocron and Bane's


Again you are bringing numbers here, which does not matters. It does not matters that how many Jedi are stationed on a Planet. If Nihilus will launch his Drain attack, he will kill them all instantly with it.

Prove it!


What Fanboyism I have demonstrated so far? I am just asking some evidences from you that can convince me.

"Drain's unblockable despite Yoda knowing defenses against all dark side techniques!"
That's fanboyism

It is stated in Sion's profile in wookieepedia that he knows Dun Moch. I know that you will say that wookieepedia is not a reliable source and all that but unfortunately for you, they use canonical sources to verify information and then mention it. Edited changes are only accepted by them if they are canonically true.

Stop ****ing using wookieeperdia. Show me where it's used canonically and maybe I'll buy it


I know that they are among the best Jedi of all times. Sion would be worthless in a fight against them. But him being immortal is what causes trouble for them.

Not if Sion's in chunks over the ground


He was not defeated in a one-on-one Combat. Sorry!

I'm sorry, but you have to beat Sion three times.

Exile had to convince him to die and Sion's soft corner (hidden love) for her was one of the factors.

That, and he was totally unable to defeat her


An assumption again. Dun Moch will not be very effective on Sion until Sion has soft corner for someone. He has no soft corner for a Jedi.

Yoda destroyed Dooku's self confience in minutes. He'd do the same to Sion. Or simply freeze him in place

[B]Sion hates Jedi. What form of meaning of this line you don't understand actually? [/B]

What meaning of the line 'Sion is worthless against them and cannot win in a fight' don't you get.

And Sion can rejoin all his limbs? Hm. Funny

Darth Subjekt The beginning of the end.

What good is a force drain going to do against the ENTIRE ORDER? Not just 3 or 4 of them, the entire order...someone is bound to get in there and start hacking away with a lightsaber. When you Yoda, Anakin, Mace, OB1, and company, they're not just going to be disposed of like younglings. They ALL have skills, even enough to contend with the over powered gods of the KoTOR era.

As far as they never faced anything like that before...Sion and Nihilus came before the PT correct? And both Jedi and Sith have Holocrons or other forms of history books right? Well, Sion and Nihilus didn't make it to the PT era, so they are able to be killed and their techniques have been documented and been available for study. I don't see someone like Yoda not learning everything he could in order to be the best, especially the history of what the Jedi have faced. The best swordsman in history save for Luke, have come out of the PT...Yoda, Mace, and Anakin...then you have people like Cin, OB1, and such who may not be uber powerful, but very skilled in the way of dueling with sabers. I don't see how the Jedi could lose...

Mider999 Restricted

people its like this ok nihilus and sion

round 1 all the underling jedi meaning the knights and padawans including anakin and obiwan

round 2 the jedi order NOT including yoda and mace

round 3 yoda and mace

and whitesnake thanks for your arguments but id thank you to stop insulting people in here its really rude.

oh and you havent given one really good reason why yoda and mace would win, all jedi attacks so what that dont mean he can just defeat all sith now, in my opinion nihihlus is better then palpatine before DE what have you proven that yoda defeats nihilus who has better feets then ROTS palpatine who equals yoda.

Lightsnake Senior Member

I'll thank you to get my name right.

and not one good reason? Ok, how about them being much stronger than any Jedi those two have faced before and Yoda knows how to defend from anything they can dish out?

And OMG, Nihilus has better feet?!

Mider999 Restricted

umm yeah he has better feets, what feets does palpatine have that are better or yoda at that, and he's not the strongest jedi ever, just like palpatine is not the strongest sith to that date he is the strongest sith of that era like yoda is of that era but i dont believe palpatine is stronger in ROTS then exer kun, or someone of that caliber, including darth nihilus now can you back your statements up with feets, even DE sidious took a while to drain all the lives of that planet he was on, and he was above yoda for sure dont you think, he had that force storm, but i never saw it destroy whole planets just a fleet big feet but not as big as destroying a whole planet

Lightsnake Senior Member

Yoda is declared the strongest Jedi up to that point in the ROTS novelization, and Palp is declared the strongest in the NEC and DE sourcebook, so you're wrong, I'm afraid.
And 'took a while?' What part of 'he did it slowly deliberately' escapes you?
OH, and Palpatine's force storm was said in the comic "He's destroying the fleet!"
Come on, now

Blaxican Restricted

Sideous force storm literally rips a hole in the space time. Kun has shownh nothing good without his amulet.

Mider999 Restricted

i still havent seen that force storm destroy a planet

Lightsnake Senior Member

Tell that to the surface of the planet torn to pieces by the Force Storm that was only there to transport Luke at the start of DE?

Mider999 Restricted

He doesnt even have full controll over those force storms he admits.

Lightsnake Senior Member

That's because it's totally impossible to have complete control over a Force Storm. For anyone

jollyjim311 Scruffy Nerf Herder

An Order of, what, thousands? Even if there was no possible way to defend against a force drain, I'm pretty sure about a thousand Jedi would react before Nihilus did, and, he would get tossed a mile via hundreds of simultaneous force pushes.

Mider999 Restricted

well we're not doing a nihilus vs DE sidious, the point is nihilus has feets better then the Sidious who stalemated yoda and thus is probably better then yoda.

Lightsnake Senior Member

Feat wars mean nothing here.

Palpatine is declared the strongest Sith as of ROTS

Mider999 Restricted

feats mean nothing, thats nonsense, he was the strongest sith of that era not THEE strongest sith ever.

Lightsnake Senior Member

It says 'in history' and 'of all time'

Mider999 Restricted

i guess thats why he is stronger then his master and learned his secrets to manipulationg the midiclorians, i also dont remeber him learning a path to immortality like darth sion did.

Blaxican Restricted

That made no sense.

Gideon Restricted

Sion died, Mider. So much for immortality. 🙄

The DE sourcebook calls Sidious "the most powerful Sith Lord ever". The tNEC says the same thing. The Ultimate Visual Guide refers to him as "the greatest master of evil to ever use Sith power". So on and so forth.

Sidious > Nihilus. Sidious > Revan. Sidious > all Sith.