EVANGEL94's 2nd SLUGFEST SHOWDOWN TOURNAMENT: Laminator_X VS Roldz (Vote Now!)

Started by Maestro5 pages

Voting on one of you doesn't do the other justice with the amount of effort you guys have put in, so I'll take my time.

Personally I dont see the "Supes just ignore the chaos thing" as a good statement, I believe that it would work much more like Lam says than the other way around. Thats just my opinion, and I dont get to vote, so take it for what it is.

Originally posted by Roldz

Its not going to be distracting to him, in his spectral vision those psychedelic/chaos pattern, would just be another energy signal in the spectrum, its not like hed be hypnotized/mental attack.. Anyway ill leave that too who ever votes...

No hypnosis here, just crazy fireworks. All I need is "Hey, What's that?"


When your about to put my already intangible Supes in your cloak which at this time youd have to be solid to do these and since my team is link together we act as one...

You are incorrect. The only things that force materialization are heavy feeding, power short-out (like we have here), or magical binding.

The techpack has a limit in mass, it cannot grow any bigger than it is, thats atleast what i read in the bio..

It doesn't take on mass, it just contracts and expands. Regaurdless, if he's not flying around the battlefield with blasters blazing he's got plenty to spare. Even if a voter bought your argument about materials, he can make what I need.


You stated that you were going to distract my herald char.. that means your quite close to the vortex and remember the vortex is growing in size its been spinning for a while... And lets not forget Danes tp attack.. No psi-blocker but thats my take dough..

Super-Skrull was bait. Just because Supes didn't move forward to take it doesn't somehow make him closer than the distance I specifically stated. As I stated before, Supes still revealed his presence, and that's all my plan needed since Mordo was acting as a spotter via scrying. That you didn't rush the skrull just made me have to sacrifice one piece instead of two to take your queen.

Originally posted by Evangel94
Absolutely no one has voted. I'll to close this soon. Don't make me choose who wins.

This was bound to happen when matches are running through the holidays..... most people are away or have relatives visiting.

😬

I'll vote for Roldz

The chaotic energy to distract Superman things isn't working for me.... SM-Blue can see all forms of electromagnetic energy and has learned to filter his vision to whatever part of the spectrum he needs.

Astral Mordo has been countered by Roldz's telepaths

Originally posted by Laminator_X
RE: Blasting Ecstacy. He's given no explanation for how Havok is supposed to hurt her while she's intangible.

Ecstacy's major weakness is beings with bio energy ... Havok is clearly in that category and so is SM-Blue ... she can't trap him.

At some point Super Skrull's strength was compared to Thing's .... but without energy beamed to him it's only half of the strength of old school Thing.

If it wasn't for the fact that Lam's entire original write up was dependant on Superman doing what he needed him to do then I may have given him the point for that ... but it's too presumptuous when it tells us how the other team will react to his teams moves.

Although I didn't want to have to do this, I'm going to extend this match to tommorow. It should give people more time to vote.

No hypnosis here, just crazy fireworks. All I need is "Hey, What's that?"

How is your team exactly going to know im doing my spectral vision, too pull the Ecstacy move.. My team is quite alert we know there are traps out there its why we checked for any energy sig.. BSupes is not exactly the "Whats that?" type of guy to say that... We are in direct contact to each other each one watching our back.. We wont be takin by surprise specially if we know where expecting a trap..

You are incorrect. The only things that force materialization are heavy feeding, power short-out (like we have here), or magical binding.

And she's capable of materialising/dematerialising object without herself materialising? Still BSupes reflex is way, way above her.. and Whos power are you using w/ her Cloaks and anybody else... Can she even make other object dematirialized? i dont see that in here bio...

It doesn't take on mass, it just contracts and expands. Regaurdless, if he's not flying around the battlefield with blasters blazing he's got plenty to spare. Even if a voter bought your argument about materials, he can make what I need.

Techno to reconfigure it as virtually any tool or weapon within the limits of the techno-pack's existing mass.

Thats exactly takin out from your bio...

[QUOTE]Super-Skrull was bait. Just because Supes didn't move forward to take it doesn't somehow make him closer than the distance I specifically stated. As I stated before, Supes still revealed his presence, and that's all my plan needed since Mordo was acting as a spotter via scrying. That you didn't rush the skrull just made me have to sacrifice one piece instead of two to take your queen
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As i said we where already expecting a trap, i dont have to show myself i can just send a few of the hurricane storm on you or Grail if i wanted to respond + Dane can attack via TP..

To answer Scoob's concerns...

RE: Blue Supes. I'll post scans when I get home from work of Cloak using this exact move on Thanos, and of Ecstasy absorbing Fasaud in the most recentissue of Union Jack. In the latter case, it goes down exactly as I'm doing here.

Re: Havok. Havok channels Cosmic Energy into high-powered plasma blasts. It's nothing that could harm Ecstasy.

As far as stalemating Mordo goes, I showed how that ends: the rest of his team massacred without their spotter and telepath protecting them.

There's no way Dane can solo Mordo he cant do any more than pre-Phoenix Jean could, and that's nowhere near enough.

I also gave a fallback right from the beginning should the Ecstasy grab fail: Mordo. At that point in the match all my most powerful character is doing is spotting. If the lightshow wasn't enough to through Blue off his game, the Illusions of Ikonn of the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak would certainly give her the opening she needs.

I've had a fallback plan for every move I made here, I didn't repeat that one later because Roldz had no counter argument besides a long drawn-out "will not!"

There's no way Dane can solo Mordo he cant do any more than pre-Phoenix Jean could, and that's nowhere near enough.

Here the problem w/ that man, i wasnt going to access that kind of power since his E-meta but you brought him there giving him full access to the energies in the astral plane.. Ill leave that to Evagel94 decisions..

I also gave a fallback right from the beginning should the Ecstasy grab fail: Mordo. At that point in the match all my most powerful character is doing is spotting. If the lightshow wasn't enough to through Blue off his game, the Illusions of Ikonn of the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak would certainly give her the opening she needs.

Where not doing anything as you read in my opening, my character havent move an inch, we where using the sourrounding to attack you.. We know that there are trap out there, we aint moving at Dane's command...

I've had a fallback plan for every move I made here, I didn't repeat that one later because Roldz had no counter argument besides a long drawn-out "will not!"

Will Scoobs put it better, I just could find the word for it..lol

Re: Havok. Havok channels Cosmic Energy into high-powered plasma blasts. It's nothing that could harm Ecstasy.

He absorbs cosmic energies and his body releases heat energies that turns the air into plasma.. Dont know if thats considered bio energies or not... It really doesnt matter dough w/ BSupes reflex he can encase him w/ this kinda attack preventing her from porting/turnin intangible..
http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics743p097nm.jpg

Originally posted by Roldz
How is your team exactly going to know im doing my spectral vision, too pull the Ecstacy move.. My team is quite alert we know there are traps out there its why we checked for any energy sig..

We're expecting it, thanks to Ra's al-Ghul having stolen Batman's "How would I beat the JLA" intel.

BSupes is not exactly the "Whats that?" type of guy to say that...
Don't be asinine, I wan't putting words in his mouth. It would get his attention. You specifically have him scanning the field and he's not going to pay any attention to something unusual exactly where he's supposed to be looking? That makes no sense.

And she's capable of materialising/dematerialising object without herself materialising?

Again that's purely a function of prior feeding

Still BSupes reflex is way, way above her..

So are Thanos's, and Cloak bagged him from behind. Reflexes are meaningless if you don't see her coming.

and Whos power are you using w/ her Cloaks and anybody else... Can she even make other object dematirialized? i dont see that in here bio...

No, but you could see it all over Civil War and House of M, where in both cases Cloak serves as combat taxi for the resistance.

I hate to be redundant, but here's an excerpt from my intro where I specifically stated that according to plan, if we somehow miss the first shot, Mordo's ready to pick-up the rebound.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
...Blue will get sucked into Ecstasy's darkness. Taking in a living energy being will overload the Thing in the Dark (just like we saw in the most recent issue of Union Jack), resulting in Clark Kent and a naked French babe both powerless and falling from a great height. Kl'rt was ready for this and dispatches Kent with an invisible smack rescues his falling teammate. (If things don't go according to plan here, Mordo is watching and waiting, ready to reinforce at any time. The Crimson Bands of Cytorrak would slow blue down enough for Extasy to catch him))

If we get into Plan B territory, Munnopor’s Moonlit Maze, the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak,the Illusions of Ikonn, or any number of other spells at his disposal could confuse, hinder, or even immobilize Blue.

I was never banking on everything going my way. I just figured (and specifically argued) that having "one of the most powerful sorcerers in existence" as my failsafe would be enough to get back into Plan A territory if something went awry.

Here's an apropos quote from the Superman Homepage's article on Superman Blue:

It appeared that Magic (one of Superman's classic weaknesses) still held power over him in his new form. In AOS Annual #9, Superman found he was unable to absorb the punches or impacts he received while fighting a mythological being, and when he grabbed hold of a pendant hanging around the creature's neck he received a mighty shock. Superman himself pondered that the feeling "had magic written all over it!"
And again in Action Annual #9, (page 16) in a conversation with Lois, after dealing with a villain called Brother Serenity, Clark explained just how helpless he felt.

I have all the tools I need to take out Blue early, and Roldz plan of using him as a spotter plays right into my hands.

We're expecting it, thanks to Ra's al-Ghul having stolen Batman's "How would I beat the JLA" intel.

BSupes isnt exactly the one who's leading the team, what info you stole from Batman would be moot/useless. Dane is our strategist and leads the team.. You have no info of Dane and would not be able to read our tactics...
You specifically have him scanning the field and he's not going to pay any attention to something unusual exactly where he's supposed to be looking? That makes no sense.

You expected him to act the way you wanted him to act, But as said before Dane leads the team, A comp. wave from Grail block's and trace those energy emission, all it takes is a few long distance blast from Havok and those transmission are done for..
BSupes wouldnt need to move from SSkrulls taunts, his got those storms at his command and attack from afew of those w/ Danes TP blast and he goes down.. The locals at Danes commands finished him off..
Again that's purely a function of prior feeding

Im not too familiar w/her but isnt absorbtion of energy that causes harm to the opponent band.. rule 1.. looks like its whats happening if she capture BSupes and starts feeding on him inside here cloak..
But anyhow she's not going to surprise my herald, read above.. As soon as she comes out of the Darkness realm, Grail can detect her energies right a way, same w/ BSupes and w/ his lighting reflex he can turn intangible like while sucking her momentum slowing her down enough time and cast a modulating energies construct disalowing her to phase and port...

Thereforecapturing her...

Originally posted by Laminator_X
I hate to be redundant, but here's an excerpt from my intro where I specifically stated that according to plan, if we somehow miss the first shot, Mordo's ready to pick-up the rebound.

If we get into Plan B territory, Munnopor’s Moonlit Maze, the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak,the Illusions of Ikonn, or any number of other spells at his disposal could confuse, hinder, or even immobilize Blue.

I was never banking on everything going my way. I just figured (and specifically argued) that having "one of the most powerful sorcerers in existence" as my failsafe would be enough to get back into Plan A territory if something went awry.


Ive read issues Strange casting this, he had to be in the field and close to the opponet for this to work.. Supes aint just standing about his too
fast for this to work, Mordo spells aint catching him after all his only human, movement and reflexes..

As soon as ive discovered where the teams are your i'll attack via kinetic vortex storm..

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Here's an apropos quote from the Superman Homepage's article on Superman Blue:
I have all the tools I need to take out Blue early, and Roldz plan of using him as a spotter plays right into my hands.

Old news man, the guy fought of an bull host angel, promethian giants, a magically amp Doomsday by an an emp, you know how powerfull those guy are, and then the Guardians this i mentioned are magical beings...
Did i forgut his also pretty darn fast
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman135p20wl8.jpg
Not to mention he can turn intangible/invisible...
http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=actioncomics740p148eh.jpg

Here's the Dragon your talkin theyre talkin about...
This guys withstand his flame and i dont see him becoming weaker.. He took the medallion w/ out a problem
http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superman135p17jw3.jpg

I dont see him weak against magic in there...

Originally posted by Roldz
BSupes isnt exactly the one who's leading the team, what info you stole from Batman would be moot/useless. Dane is our strategist and leads the team.. You have no info of Dane and would not be able to read our tactics...
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Hardly useless, we prepared counters to you searching with Spectrum Vision, and you did exactly that. All your attacks just fall apart after that since you assumed incorrectly that you'd be able to easily find us. We were also sheltered from your energy storm from the get-go, figuring Blue might try some sort of big boom, and we were right. Moot? I think not.

As far as you other guys being unknowns, I addressed that very issue by having my team hang back and observe after taking down Supes rather than engaging immediately. I even stated that the point of doing so was to scope out the unfamilliar opponents. That was also part of why Mordo jumped Dane, to gain info on the other team-members.


Im not too familiar w/her but isnt absorbtion of energy that causes harm to the opponent band.. rule 1.. looks like its whats happening if she capture BSupes and starts feeding on him inside here cloak..

Rule 1 bans Rogue-style power stealing. This is quite dissimilar.
Niether does it violate the "Death Ray" rule, as the drain takes time and the right powers can escape it. We won't get into that situation in this case anyway, as absorbing a living energy being shorts our both of their powers.

Ok, I think that both of you guys are doing really good. But Roldz is a bit easier for me to see happening. It might actually be that he's posted a few more scans(which can really help get your point across). So if I'm allowed to vote(how long do you have to have been a member?), I'll vote for Roldz.

Here, as promised, is Cloak doing to Thanos exactly the move I'm puling on Superman Blue:

All the reflexes in the world are wothless if you're looking the other way. Thanos was fast enough to dodge the Silver Surfer at max speed 10 pages later and he still got bagged. (He blasted his way out with the Infinity Gauntlet, but hey, that's omnipotence for you.)
Any claims of his avoiding this by via his speed are contrary to what you stated he was doing in your own writeup, namely hanging out with Havok on the high rocks and acting as a spotter.

You write-up also contradicts you claim of Grail watching Superman's back as a source of salvation. Your stated opening move for Grail was to search my half of the battlefield for snakes and alligators ("locals" as you put it).

Niether of those things ads up to avoiding my initial strike.

Hardly useless, we prepared counters to you searching with Spectrum Vision, and you did exactly that. All your attacks just fall apart after that since you assumed incorrectly that you'd be able to easily find us. We were also sheltered from your energy storm from the get-go, figuring Blue might try some sort of big boom, and we were right. Moot? I think not.

I gave you that, but here's what you didnt expect Supes not responding to that, there are other members of my team..
Grail could easy handle that situation as i said in above post..
My team didnt fall apart w/ that show you put up, we had it all under controlled, it shows when they took out 2 of your team..

As far as you other guys being unknowns, I addressed that very issue by having my team hang back and observe after taking down Supes rather than engaging immediately. I even stated that the point of doing so was to scope out the unfamilliar opponents. That was also part of why Mordo jumped Dane, to gain info on the other team-members.

Didnt i mentioned it to you that both Dane and Grail thanks to the Gold cant be scanned by any means including magic... the Symbiote is a product of Science and Magic w/ out limits..

Heck he can block any transmission he want but since i didnt say that in my write up, its not happening.. Anyhow this maybe my last post, work tommorrow and watching movies tonight so good luck..

Umm, Roldz all that scan shows is a medic having a hard time administering anasthesia, and having problems with her "medical scans." That's a far cry from what you're claiming.

Niether of your bios state anything about invisibility to magic either.