Originally posted by Mr Parker
pleanty of basis,you just choose not to accept them and live in denial about them 🙄 dont need to repeat my reasons which I have given countless of times before in the past anyways.while were talking about somebody who has no basis,you need to look in the mirror on someone who has no basis that rocky 5 is the most popular of the rocky movies. 😆 😂 😆 😆 good bye,im done with you.
Rocky 4, not 5.
Desagree here, i find the fight scenes of both movies( 3 and 4) unrealistic, same with drago than with clubber lag. But at least, there are some good parts in 3, like the relationship between rocky and apollo and apollo's help to rocky to find himself again, or micky's death.
4 wasnt even a movie because its only an stupid videoclip without any sense and pretty bad story. Even the 5 , althougth a bad movie trying to copy the original, has better moments than the 4 one and a better script.
Originally posted by BackFire
3 and 4 are the same basic movie, just one substitutes one over the top, cheesy, one dimensional villain for another.Either way, they're both entertaining.
I guess I'd go with IV, because Dalph Lungren is cool, and it has two fight scenes.
3 and 4 are entirely different. Going to cite the "Cold War" angle once again for that. Not only that, but in "Rocky 3", he had actually lost the passion for wanting to fight. In 4, he had a reason. Revenge.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Please, rocky 4 and 5 are pure crap. To post that those movies are the most popular or even good movies is a total joke, plain and simple. There arent any value in those movies. I considered rocky 3 a weak film, but at least, it has some values in the story. But rocky 4 is a videoclip without any sense and rocky 5 was a copy of the first one but bad made and with some new and stupid things.
"Rocky 4" doesn't have "value". You're clueless. Read below for the umpteenth time about the "Cold War" allegory. Guess you forgot the "everybody can change" speech at the end, as well?
Originally posted by Mr Parker
pleanty of basis,you just choose not to accept them and live in denial about them 🙄 dont need to repeat my reasons which I have given countless of times before in the past anyways.while were talking about somebody who has no basis,you need to look in the mirror on someone who has no basis that rocky 5 is the most popular of the rocky movies. 😆 😂 😆 😆 good bye,im done with you.
"Done with me". I've never given int oyou, nor lent much credibility to your opinions on well, anything to be frank. I have yet to get any real basis for your opinions other than you presenting your opinion as fact in these forums.
I never said 5 was the most popular, anyway. 4, indeed, based on box office numbers, and having hosted the most memorable villain of the entire franchise. That's basis enough. You think people strut around quoting Thunderlips or ****ing Tommy Gunn? No, and for good reason. In addition, it had a VERY bold social commentary for that time. In 1985, the movie itself could have easily been taken as a means for war. It's literally a propaganda film.
Another good basis for its popularity is the entire USSR/USA "Cold War" which I've has gone through one ear and out the other with pretty much everyone here. It's very Pro-USA, easily the most patriotic of the franchise, but still has a message of hope at the end for both sides. Go figure Shortly there after, 1986, the dissolussion of Soviet Communism began.
..this is all still very entertaining. Everytime a "Rocky" debate comes up, Bakerboy and Mr. Parker show up. Like one sends out a battle cry to the other, lol.
Originally posted by The Core
3 and 4 are entirely different. Going to cite the "Cold War" angle once again for that. Not only that, but in "Rocky 3", he had actually lost the passion for wanting to fight. In 4, he had a reason. Revenge."Rocky 4" doesn't have "value". You're clueless. Read below for the umpteenth time about the "Cold War" allegory. Guess you forgot the "everybody can change" speech at the end, as well?
"Done with me". I've never given int oyou, nor lent much credibility to your opinions on well, anything to be frank. I have yet to get any real basis for your opinions other than you presenting your opinion as fact in these forums.
I never said 5 was the most popular, anyway. 4, indeed, based on box office numbers, and having hosted the most memorable villain of the entire franchise. That's basis enough. You think people strut around quoting Thunderlips or ****ing Tommy Gunn? No, and for good reason. In addition, it had a VERY bold social commentary for that time. In 1985, the movie itself could have easily been taken as a means for war. It's literally a propaganda film.
Another good basis for its popularity is the entire USSR/USA "Cold War" which I've has gone through one ear and out the other with pretty much everyone here. It's very Pro-USA, easily the most patriotic of the franchise, but still has a message of hope at the end for both sides. Go figure Shortly there after, 1986, the dissolussion of Soviet Communism began.
..this is all still very entertaining. Everytime a "Rocky" debate comes up, Bakerboy and Mr. Parker show up. Like one sends out a battle cry to the other, lol.
I see clearly that you are the clueless one, because i haven talked about the rocky movies too much, so im far on showing up in every rocky debate. Find my threads and posts at first to get better information and you will see it.
Second, that supposdely cold war value was stupid as hell. How on hell hundreds of soviet people could give support to one american in the same soviet union like it was in the movie? It was absurd and stupid, as all the things in that movie are. Drago couldnt exist, he was a superhuman boxer with not reality at all. The rocky series was based on reality, first one was about a loser geting a chance to fight with the champion, a nobody that could be a champion , the american dream, etc. Rocky life was pretty realistic. Second one was almost the same. Third one was pretty unrealistic in some ways, but some good and realistic values there that i posted before. Fourht one destroyed totally the reality of the saga and goes on a stupid and unrealistic movie and story. There couldnt exist a superhuman boxer like ivan drago, sovietic people in the same soviet union supporting one american boxer and cheering his speech, drago killling with a few punches the man who was a hell for rocky, apollo himself, and then rocky could beat that superhero? And those are realistic or serious values??? Come one, you must be joking.
It's a movie, anything's possible. The Cold War allegory wasn't merely suggested either, it was blatant. It was the same David vs Goliath story they used in the entire franchise. Just this time around, they used the USA vs USSR gimmick to get across political propaganda.
America swaying the decision of others with logic and reason is nothing new. Like I said, the dramatic expression of Rocky telling the Soviets that everyone can change their ways, was over the top, but it was playing up a current angle. They also admired Rocky's tenacity. It's just DRAMATICS..it's part of the movie. In the end, it's not so far fetched.
Rocky told the Russkies to stop fighting, Reagan told Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall.
It happened.
Originally posted by bakerboy
I see clearly that you are the clueless one, because i haven talked about the rocky movies too much, so im far on showing up in every rocky debate. Find my threads and posts at first to get better information and you will see it.
Actually, I have seen you in 98% of all Rocky debates here.
Second, that supposdely cold war value was stupid as hell. How on hell hundreds of soviet people could give support to one american in the same soviet union like it was in the movie? It was absurd and stupid, as all the things in that movie are. Drago couldnt exist, he was a superhuman boxer with not reality at all. The rocky series was based on reality, first one was about a loser geting a chance to fight with the champion, a nobody that could be a champion , the american dream, etc. Rocky life was pretty realistic. Second one was almost the same. Third one was pretty unrealistic in some ways, but some good and realistic values there that i posted before. Fourht one destroyed totally the reality of the saga and goes on a stupid and unrealistic movie and story. There couldnt exist a superhuman boxer like ivan drago, sovietic people in the same soviet union supporting one american boxer and cheering his speech, drago killling with a few punches the man who was a hell for rocky, apollo himself, and then rocky could beat that superhero? And those are realistic or serious values??? Come one, you must be joking.
You honestly have no idea what Core is talking about. The movie isn't supposed to be realistic. Most of the Rocky films aren't realistic(only the first one, actually). Rocky represents the spirit to fight on and to never give up. Of COURSE he would win.
Drago is actually possible, believe it or not. The thing is that people do not focus technology on boxing, so it doesn't work. But if they DID, then Drago is very possible. Actually, Rocky IV STILL stayed towards reality. Think about it. Like Core said, it's all about representation and the characters themselves. That's why it is the most most successful, and second most popular(one trumps them all), Rocky film out there. It gives everyone a strong sense of hope and freedom, and even has one of the most famous fight scenes in film history.
Originally posted by Mr Parker
pleanty of basis,you just choose not to accept them and live in denial about them 🙄 dont need to repeat my reasons which I have given countless of times before in the past anyways.while were talking about somebody who has no basis,you need to look in the mirror on someone who has no basis that rocky 5 is the most popular of the rocky movies. 😆 😂 😆 😆 good bye,im done with you.
crylaugh
WRONG MOVIE!
Originally posted by bakerboy
I see clearly that you are the clueless one, because i haven talked about the rocky movies too much, so im far on showing up in every rocky debate. Find my threads and posts at first to get better information and you will see it.Second, that supposdely cold war value was stupid as hell. How on hell hundreds of soviet people could give support to one american in the same soviet union like it was in the movie? It was absurd and stupid, as all the things in that movie are. Drago couldnt exist, he was a superhuman boxer with not reality at all. The rocky series was based on reality, first one was about a loser geting a chance to fight with the champion, a nobody that could be a champion , the american dream, etc. Rocky life was pretty realistic. Second one was almost the same. Third one was pretty unrealistic in some ways, but some good and realistic values there that i posted before. Fourht one destroyed totally the reality of the saga and goes on a stupid and unrealistic movie and story. There couldnt exist a superhuman boxer like ivan drago, sovietic people in the same soviet union supporting one american boxer and cheering his speech, drago killling with a few punches the man who was a hell for rocky, apollo himself, and then rocky could beat that superhero? And those are realistic or serious values??? Come one, you must be joking.
He sure is clueless.Its best to ignore him because of that..Like you said,its laughable and a joke that hundreds of soviets would give support to an american boxer in their own country and start rooting for him.We both know that,that Drago could not exist,that he was a superhuman and that for a Rocky movie that doesnt work when your talking about realisem and believeability.Thats a good point that the Rocky series was based on reality,thats why Four is a joke,Ivander Holifield himself said Rocky 4 is his least favorite because its easily the most unrealistic and unbelieveble one of them all.He trashed that movie saying that the referee would have stopped that fight very early in the early rounds,and went off saying he disliked it,saying that no human being could ever survive that kind of punishment,that they would have died early on in the rounds.Boy the fourth one sure did destroy the reality of the sage with its stupid copycat rehashed story from Rocky 3.Rocky 3 he goes and fights Clubber Lang because he feels responsible for the death of Mickey since it was his fault for pushing Mickey to train him when Mickey didnt want to.Clubber causes Mickey to die during a scuffle between Rocky and Lang by shoving him against the wall causing Mickey to have a heart attack.Rocky 4,same old story.He goes and fights Drago because he feels guilty about Appollos death.Carbon copy rip off of the third.and by Rocky 4 it was so predicatble it was a joke.Everybody knew he would never to lose to the Russian,that he would win.what a joke and horrible screenwritng.
yeah great point.There couldnt exist a superhuman Boxer like Dragosoviet people in same country cheering an american boxer and his speech,Drago killing the man that was hell for rocky and then rocky could beat the superhero? yeah right. 😆 yeah thats hilarous that anybody could possibly say THOSE are realistic and serious values. 😆 Ivander Holifield himself said its his least favorite simply because of how unrealistic and belieevable it is.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I always had a decent regard for 3; I felt IV really was for the American audience.Sure as hell, no-one is going to say V. Well, no-one sane.
Ush to be honest...Rocky IV was nothing but American film propaganda. It has no sympathy as far as movie goers. It has zero value a completely and stupid message in the end that everyone saw it coming minutes before the fight ended.
Rocky IV is in the same level as Red Dawn and Rambo III.
Originally posted by BackFire
But with a street fight instead of boxing, and no Dalph Lungren.
Thats actually why I prefer Rocky 5 over 4 is because of that.Rocky 4 people couldnt buy into it him fighting a superhero with superpowers.As someone else mentioned earlier,it was like watching Batman fighting Superman without any kryptonite.Batman is gonna be dead in seconds,same with Rocky.Tommy Gunn isnt some superhuman man with superpowers so It was a believeble fight to see him and Gunn go at because they were pretty evenly matched for the most part.Plus the street fight scene was a pretty cool fight to watch.It was something different.Something we hadnt seen before and quite entertaining.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Ush to be honest...Rocky IV was nothing but American film propaganda. It has no sympathy as far as movie goers. It has zero value and completely a stupid message in the end that everyone saw it coming minutes before the fight ended.Rocky IV is in the same level as Red Dawn and Rambo III.
Boy it sure is.you can say that again.