Darth Nihilus vs. Yoda

In response to Sion & Nihilus vs. Entire PT Jedi Order, I decided to make this thread due to the rising debate whether Yoda can defeat Nihilus and block the Ultra Death Field of the Sith Lord.

Who wins in this clash of titans?

Quotes and Analysis from the Star Wars Databank

From the profile of Jedi Master Yoda:

contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force's light and dark sides.

This line from the Star Wars Databank is in regards to the Duel in the Senate Chamber between the Dark Lord Palpatine and the Jedi Grandmaster Yoda. The line proves that up to that point in time, Sidious and Yoda were the most powerful practitioners of the Force. In the duel, while Sidious bested Yoda by knocking him down the pods, in fact the fight ended in a stalemate with neither side overcoming the other.

Sidious's Force Strength = Yoda's Force Strength
Sidious's Force Strength > Nihilus's Force Strength
Ergo, by the Transitive Property of Equality:

Yoda's Force Strength > Nihilus's Force Strength

With evidence from Lightsnake proving that Yoda had a defense for every Light and Dark Side technique, and Yoda being the most powerful Light side user of the Force up to that point of time and him having a greater Force strength than Nihilus, I'm sure we can conclude that Yoda, in some way possible, can block Nihilus's Ultra Death Field.

More proof on how powerful ROTS Sidious was? Well take a look at this:

From the profile of Palpatine:

He is the most powerful practitioner of the Sith ways in modern times. He studied the ancient ruins on the Sith mausoleum world of Korriban. He unlocked secrets of the Force from a captured Jedi Holocron. The dark side energies flowing through Palpatine's body were so intense, that they ravaged his mortal frame.

Along with other sources, such as the tNEC, etc., Palpatine is the most powerful Sith Lord in existence. Yoda was equivalent to that might. If this is the case, then it seems very very very likely that Yoda can defeat Nihilus.

Want more evidence Nihilus supporters? Well, that'll come soon....

This is General Kenobl signing off.....

Yoda can block it, but it'll weaken him to do so. It's either very close or a stalemate.

That's not a very good argument considering the fact that an inferior force user could possess more natural skill in a specific ability. Do I have to bring up Kar Vastor as an example? And not to mention ROTS Yoda=ROTS Sidious.. ROTJ Sidious>ROTS Sidious and DE Sidious>everybody except Luke.

Hmmm.......ROTS Yoda is not Yoda in his prime. Yoda in his prime is probably equal to ROTJ or DE Sidious. He can defeat Nihilus ofr sure.

And even then, ROTS Yoda is very powerful in terms of the Force. 8 centuries of experience coming at Nihilius here.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Hmmm.......ROTS Yoda is not Yoda in his prime. Yoda in his prime is probably equal to ROTJ or DE Sidious.

Proof?

Well in terms of the lightsaber, Yoda isn't at his peak. In terms of Force strength, he's in his prime.

Actually in terms of both I'd say Yoda is at his prime by ROTS. Sidious to the dark side is what Anakin/Luke is to the light side though, so his potential is beyond Yoda. Ah how the force operates.

Theories , by General Kenobl:

Jedi's powers increase in a form similar to a 'sad face' parabola. It shoots up fast but then it slowly increases. When a Jedi reaches his peak, he is the topmost point on the parabola. However, unlike a regular parabola, the Jedi stays at this point for some time (several years). After this though, he begins to deteriorate in terms of lightsaber strength and dueling. Growing older ruins your atheleticism, and even a Jedi can't be better than what he was when he thirty as opposed to seventy.

This is what I believed happened to Qui-Gon. Jinn died at the age of sixty. I believe Jinn during this period underwent a deterioration of strength. You see in TPM that he cannot possibly the greatest the Order has seen in 400 years because he gets destoyed by Maul. But that's the thing, if it was Qui-Gon in his prime, then I believe he could have killed Maul. Heck, Jinn in his prime would probably be greater than Quinlan Vos, Luminara Unduli, Plo Koon, Kit Fisto, and even Drallig and Billaba perhaps.

Let's take Yoda. Yoda is very powerful, but I doubt he was in his prime during ROTS. In terms of the Force, the older you get the stronger you get. In terms of the lightsaber, the older you get to your prime, the stronger you get. The farther you move away from his apex, the weaker you become. This way Yoda must have started to deterioate in his lightsaber abilities when he was around 618 years old.

Except you cannot accurately measure when they all hit their prime, so that argument is valid, but not sound.

Next point of argument:

Darth Nihilus is facing a singular opponent. Unlike Katarr, Nihilus wouldn't risk his Ultra Death Field in fear of it destroying the very turf he is on, and thus kill himself.

So he will attempt to focus a powerful Drain at Yoda. Now Yoda, being one of the greatest Light Side Force users and a greater Force user than Nihilus (which includes the Ultra Death Field), would most likely put a Shield to reflect this at Nihilus. This will tire Nihilus as he did against he fight against Exile.

From here, Yoda whips out his lightsaber and pwns and kills the Sith Lord in a clash of blades.

Except you cannot accurately measure when they all hit their prime, so that argument is valid, but not sound.

It's very accurate though, you have to admit. My Theories require me to put a good thought into the matter. Oh well.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Next point of argument:

Darth Nihilus is facing a singular opponent. Unlike Katarr, Nihilus wouldn't risk his Ultra Death Field in fear of it destroying the very turf he is on, and thus kill himself.

So he will attempt to focus a powerful Drain at Yoda. Now Yoda, being one of the greatest Light Side Force users and a greater Force user than Nihilus (which includes the Ultra Death Field), would most likely put a Shield to reflect this at Nihilus. This will tire Nihilus as he did against he fight against Exile.

From here, Yoda whips out his lightsaber and pwns and kills the Sith Lord in a clash of blades.

No, it will NOT tire him like it did against Nihilus, because what tired Nihilus while fighting the Exile was the fact that the Exile could disconnect himself from the force, and the force consumption worked against Nihilus. So THAT isn't a valid argument.

A Shield can reflect the Drain back at Nihilus. And next, Yoda can dodge the Drain attack aimed at him. If Nihilus decided to a widespread Drain, Yoda can continue jumping away and have Nihilus facing the risk of the setting collapse around him if the hunger goes over the top.

The ONLY thing that will save Yoda is moving faster than the eye, and then slicing Nihilus in half. But he'd have to move pretty damn fast to get out of Nihilus' range.

Nihilus cannot perform the widespread Ultra Death Field like he did in Katarr for fear of destroying the environment. So he'll attempt to put a concentrated Draining attack at Yoda, which Yoda has the power to Shield against. Yoda has a defense for every Dark Side technique, and considering his considerable power in terms of the Force, he can most likely possess the skill to block a Drain of that magnitude.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Nihilus cannot perform the widespread Ultra Death Field like he did in Katarr for fear of destroying the environment. So he'll attempt to put a concentrated Draining attack at Yoda, which Yoda has the power to Shield against. Yoda has a defense for every Dark Side technique, and considering his considerable power in terms of the Force, he can most likely possess the skill to block a Drain of that magnitude.

1. You cannot speculate what Nihilus will or will not do. This isn't where we put up hypothetical situations to prove a case.
2. Yoda can have a defense for whatever he wants(still waiting for proof which hasn't arrived), doesn't mean he is strong enough to defend against something like what Nihilus can do. It doesn't work dude.

1. Well if Nihilus is full of gluttony and decides to perform a planet-sucking Ultra Death Field, it's his funeral at the horizon.

Again, youre arguing a hypothetical situation which would put the argument in your favor. We don't deal with "what ifs". I can just as well say "well Yoda trips and falls on his own saber". Understand?

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Yoda has a defense for every Dark Side technique

I bet he does.

Quote, source, and page number. Somehow I doubt Yoda has protection for the entire sum of dark side powers, but of course I'm not going to count it out just because it utterly reeks of bullshit.