Darth Nihilus vs. Yoda

Originally posted by Advent
I bet he does.

Quote, source, and page number. Somehow I doubt Yoda has protection for the entire sum of dark side powers, but of course I'm not going to count it out just because it utterly reeks of bullshit.

It was lightsnake who originally posted it and said it was in the Power of the Jedi Sourcebook. Planet said he has the book but it's nowhere in it so I call bullshit.

Nihilus wins. Force Drain. If not than then he merely zaps him to death using Force Lightning. Yoda won't be able to block it with his hands since he had a hard time blocking Sidious's and Nihilus is FAR stronger than Sidious's is. But a Force Drain should do the job.

I bet he does.

Quote, source, and page number. Somehow I doubt Yoda has protection for the entire sum of dark side powers, but of course I'm not going to count it out just because it utterly reeks of bullshit.

Ask Lightsnake. He's the one who mentioned it in the first place. He also had a source for it, so I believed him. He doesn't seem to be a lying type.

Nihlius is not stronger then Palpatine, he has one power that he can barley control, that he won't unleash in a one on one duel (He didn't do it to the Exile) And read the start of the topic that say Palpatine > All Sith

Agreed. My 2nd post gives Databank evidence.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Nihlius is not stronger then Palpatine, he has one power that he can barley control, that he won't unleash in a one on one duel (He didn't do it to the Exile) And read the start of the topic that say Palpatine > All Sith

Except he DID unleash it against the exile and he lost because that was the only defense for it, being a wound in the force, so there goes your argument.

They were not the same attack. What he did to Katarr destroyed the geographical structure of the entire planet, read Unseen Unheard, two COMPLETELY different attacks.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
They were not the same attack. What he did to Katarr destroyed the geographical structure of the entire planet, read Unseen Unheard, two COMPLETELY different attacks.

You obviously haven't read or figured out the storyline then. It was the same attack. However it's not an attack, it's what Nihilus does to satisfy his appetite, so whether he does it to a whole world or 1 person, it's the exact same attack. And it failed because the exile was a wound in the force.

Perhaps I misspoke (I did), it was the same attack, but the one he did to the Exile was a MUCH more concentrated, smaller version.

Proof.

1. It didn't affect anyone else in the room, be it Visas, Mandalor or the lackeys standing around.

2. Had he unleashed that power on the Ravager, he would have destroyed the ship, himself and everything else in the vicinity. Something he doesn't want to do since he only lives to feed and the power controls him so it wouldn't let its host kill itself.

Now this is what he would likely do in a 1v1 fight.

Sexy....you're taking Planet's word over mine? Seriously, now...Also, according to the Complete Visual guide, Yoda has spent 900 years studying the Force,as well as consulting the Sith's own holocrons in the Temple to develop his own abilities against the Dark Side.

Page number please? 😛
Methinks you're lying.

Methinks you can **** off.
I don't waste my time with you, brat. Like I said, you may return to being Nadd's whore and let the big boys chat. K? K

😆 😆

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sexy....you're taking Planet's word over mine? Seriously, now...Also, according to the Complete Visual guide, Yoda has spent 900 years studying the Force,as well as consulting the Sith's own holocrons in the Temple to develop his own abilities against the Dark Side.

And once again, how in the blue hell does this equate to him building up a defense for something that will eat at his life force on such a scale he's never seen before? "Oh well he's a PT Jedi" simply doesn't cut it lightsnake.

Much is unknown about yoda he could have met the fallanasi during that 900years, I doubt a shield actually works and had it been so effective, the jedi on katarr would throw it up agains the ultra death field.

Ipretty much agree with DS though, the best way to evade something which drains the force itself is the fallanasi technique

Me and lightsnaked discussd this, it could be possible that yoda learnt the looping technique, how much do we know of him? We havnt covered his 900 years study

Originally posted by General Kenobl
A Shield can reflect the Drain back at Nihilus. And next, Yoda can dodge the Drain attack aimed at him. If Nihilus decided to a widespread Drain, Yoda can continue jumping away and have Nihilus facing the risk of the setting collapse around him if the hunger goes over the top.

Again if the almighty shield is so usefull, why didnt the jedi on katarr use it? Its highly likely they had that ability considering they were experienced masters and they had like what minutes to throw one up? Its instant, POD proved the shield can come up instantly

Perhaps they were caught by surprise...
Or perhaps they did throw up a shield, but they weren't strong enough to defend...
The fact is, there's no reason to assume that a force shield wouldn't defend against a force drain.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Again if the almighty shield is so usefull, why didnt the jedi on katarr use it? Its highly likely they had that ability considering they were experienced masters and they had like what minutes to throw one up? Its instant, POD proved the shield can come up instantly

Because none of them were superior Force users to Nihilus. It doesn't matter if you don't know the technique if you're facing a more powerful Force-user anyway. Nihilus was the prime Force-user in his day, and therefore could overpower all his opponents with Force Drain. However, could he do it when faced with a superior Force user, like Yoda?

And if you don't think that Yoda is a superior Force user, then look at this diagram.

Sidious > all pre-PT Sith (according to NEC)
II
Yoda > all pre-PT Jedi (according to RotS novelization)

Nihilus IS a pre-PT Sith, which means that Sidious is more powerful than him. Yoda is equal to Sidious. Yoda is, by the transitive property, (I quote General Kenobi) a better Force-user than Nihilus.
And I doubt whoever was writing Power of the Jedi just said,
"Huh, yeah, duh, uh, wouldn't it be cool if we, uh, you know, just said for no reason that, uh, that little green guy, uhhh, what's his name? Oh yeah, Yoda, if we said that, uh, he had a defense for all darkside, uhh, what's that word... techniques!"

No. They wrote it because Lucas agreed with it.
And don't throw that cr@p at me about Yoda not being able to block Sidious' lightning. Sidious is an equal Force user. Nihilus isn't. Unless George Lucas didn't think that Yoda really knew all darkside techniques and was just sh1tt1ng with us, I think that Yoda can almost definitely block Nihilus' drain.

The NEC is an in-universe source, the narrator is a historian inside the SW Galaxy, his word is fallible, and saying that Sidious is the most powerful is nothing more than an opinion, that is no better than mine or your's.

It was never actually factually stated that Yoda was the most powerful jedi ever up to RotS, all it was, was Yoda coming to realise that, and Yoda is perfectly fallible, so it's not a fact.

The fact is, Darth Nihilus has displayed much greater force power than Yoda, there's simply no way that Yoda can win this.

Originally posted by Sexyback
The NEC is an in-universe source, the narrator is a historian inside the SW Galaxy, his word is fallible, and saying that Sidious is the most powerful is nothing more than an opinion, that is no better than mine or your's.

It was never actually factually stated that Yoda was the most powerful jedi ever up to RotS, all it was, was Yoda coming to realise that, and Yoda is perfectly fallible, so it's not a fact.

The fact is, Darth Nihilus has displayed much greater force power than Yoda, there's simply no way that Yoda can win this.

1. Since when was the NEC not canon? Others have used it in arguments! Nobody said anything then.
2. Yoda was called,"the most tenacious foe the darkness had ever faced" and "the greatest warrior ever to have fought for the light" or some sh1t like that. You're right, it's very indirect.

EDIT- BTW, is it a bad idea to put biscuts in the microwave?

1. I didn't say it wasn't canon, just that the narrator isn't omniscient, he's fallible, and he saying that Sidious is the most powerful by that time is nothing more than an opinion.

2. But it wasn't the author directly saying it, it was Yoda coming to realise it.

Edit - It's a wonderful idea. 😄