Originally posted by Soljer
He does. 😐.His healing factor isn't fast enough to really notice in battle, but he heals what takes a normal human months to heal from in days - broken bones, and the like.
Due to the laws of comics 😐
It has nothing to do with his powers
I mean In New Avengers #2, his arm was snapped in half, then the next night when they meet up his arm is fine
Of course, you could always go by the whole Other copout thing where Iron Man apparently used some weird tech to fix MJ's broken arm 😬
But seriously if comic characters took the same time to heal as regular people they would be killed off fairly quickly
Originally posted by jinzin
i've read everything you wrote, it made no more sense to me than it did soljer, you're logic is skewed... x appeared in what 4 maybe 5 books... so what?
My logic is fine, your drawing a point of refence from ONE showing with a limited number of appearances all together which of course makes the one time event appear even better because he has so few to draw from.
Spiderman has thousands and thousands of showings to draw from, hence my saying that Mr X appeared in less has less to draw from and anytime he has a good showing there aren't really bad showings to counter them unlike Spiderman who has thousands and thousands you can reference.
From a speed refernce with Spiderman and Wolverine, Spiderman has danced around and blitzed Firelord, Thor, Hulk, Absorbing man, Wolverine has one such showing and it was with a low level thug.
Spiderman has plenty of speed over Wolverine that does take him well over Wolverine's reflex's.
I believe the fight you are asking about is the one where he has metal wings.
Originally posted by jinzinLet's see.
it's not just about dodging bullets though.. it's about ALL of their speed feats,
Originally posted by jinzinWhich requires he move at subsonic speeds to be rendered invisible in clear sight, so next.
being blurs unperceivable to the human eye,
Originally posted by jinzin
being faster than trained soldiers can even register,
Originally posted by jinzin
moving faster than a human mind can comprehend,
Again... a person that runs arguably 40 miles an hour (being generous) wouldn't be able to do that in a logical setting. How the hell does Cyke Nail him?
Originally posted by jinzinJobbing... he isn't fast enough to move between the latency time of an actual laser and you know he isn't.
acting fast enough to dodge lasers after they've been fired,
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doing multipe actions in between lazer fire,
Originally posted by jinzinSo he's faster than a speeding bullet now?
standing 5 feet away from a gun and stopping the bullet from exiting the berral after the trigger's already been pulled..
Originally posted by jinzinNo it isn't really, it doesn't say how much effort it takes to do these things, because whatever Logan can do, Spidey can do with less effort.
the hulk spidey comparison is a good point but a moot point here...
Originally posted by Soleran
My logic is fine, your drawing a point of refence from ONE showing with a limited number of appearances all together which of course makes the one time event appear even better because he has so few to draw from.Spiderman has thousands and thousands of showings to draw from, hence my saying that Mr X appeared in less has less to draw from and anytime he has a good showing there aren't really bad showings to counter them unlike Spiderman who has thousands and thousands you can reference.
thousands and STILL nothing that compares to what x did.. what does that tell you?
Originally posted by Soleran
From a speed refernce with Spiderman and Wolverine, Spiderman has danced around and blitzed Firelord, Thor, Hulk, Absorbing man, Wolverine has one such showing and it was with a low level thug.
firelords not a h2h specialist.. he's been pummeled by silver surfer.. and norin has HORRIBLE h2h skills... he's like a 2 on the chart.. if that...
eric masterson thor got speedblitzed.. woopdido! 🙄
not the same as the true thundergod.
Hulk, who hasn't blitzed him? wolverine's done it, black panther, iron fist, daredevil, captain america...
absorbing man? same as hulk... hell wolverine ended his nonsense in one hit.
Originally posted by Soleranthis needs to be proven first.. WITH FACT, not opinion.... so far, it hasn't been.
Spiderman has plenty of speed over Wolverine that does take him well over Wolverine's reflex's.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I believe the fight you are asking about is the one where he has metal wings.Let's see.
Which requires he move at subsonic speeds to be rendered invisible in clear sight, so next.
See above. These are jobbing soldiers and not someone like Thor, Firelord, or Titania right.
Originally posted by Tha C-Mastercyk doesn't nail him, not in a real fight, not where wolverine isn't hindered, not yet.
Again... a person that runs arguably 40 miles an hour (being generous) wouldn't be able to do that in a logical setting. How the hell does Cyke Nail him?
Originally posted by Tha C-Masteragain you ask for feat but when they are given to you you dictate that they don't count because of your opinion...
Jobbing... he isn't fast enough to move between the latency time of an actual laser and you know he isn't.
I could very well say the same thing about spiderman but...
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterin 616 it would appear so..
So he's faster than a speeding bullet now?
Originally posted by Tha C-Masteryes it is, for the exact reasoning that soljer already posted. 😬
No it isn't really, it doesn't say how much effort it takes to do these things, because whatever Logan can do, Spidey can do with less effort.
Originally posted by SoljerWho is saying that he never would get hit? There's always a chance of that. The point is it's fast enough to be utilized well. It's no different than saying Spiderman pummeling Wolverine for eternity won't ko him.
I understand EVERYONE's points. I understand that just because they replicate the same feat doesn't NECESSARILY put them in the same class. However, no one's posted a speed feat that outstrips Wolverine's. That is the point.I could likely post a thousand different Hulk strength feats that greatly outstrip ANYTHING Spiderman's ever done.
I haven't seen a single Spidey speed feat that greatly outstrips Wolverine. Is he faster? Yeah. Does the Spider sense count as a HUGE advantage? Yeah. Is he more agile? You damn well better believe it.
Are these so much of an advantage that he'll dodge every blow that a VERY speedy, VERY well trained fighter attempts to land on him all day long? Twenty four, seven, three sixty five?
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Originally posted by jinzin
thousands and STILL nothing that compares to what x did.. what does that tell you?
Yet when given proof of the various top dogs Spiderman has blitzed you prefer to make light of, yet it's proof. You use examples of Wolverine's vaunted speed in refence to "standard" humans mostly and it's supposedly amazingly viable "truth."
So it tells me your opinion is obviously skewed
this needs to be proven first.. WITH FACT, not opinion.... so far, it hasn't been.
Comics don't have "truth" as we define in "reality" because there is so much left to interpretation in every sketch and so much hyperbole used in dialogue.
You prefer to split hairs over meanings of words like superspeed and such as well as vague use of expressions like "in the same ballpark."
superhuman speed is what I'd expect someon like spidey, or hobgoblin to have.superspeed seems more reserved for people beyond that level of capability.
In the end I don't think Spiderman is taking a majority of wins the way this fight is setup, which is a cage where his mobility isn't going to help him enough to KO logan before it happens to him though.
Originally posted by jinzin
hummingbirds don't move at subsonic speeds yet they have movements inpercievable to the human eye as well.
Originally posted by jinzinI can recall Cyke hitting Wolverine many times. Are you saying that this is absolutely not true?
cyk doesn't nail him, not in a real fight, not where wolverine isn't hindered, not yet.
Originally posted by jinzinBecause anything you post up shouldn't be argued or used for discretion? It just goes? Why debate in the first place. You just tried to shoot down the Thor example. You know as well as I do that a human sized character would have to move multiple times the speed of sound to be rendered invisible in a natural, clear setting. Other factors don't apply. What you are saying is that PIS shouldn't count and that it isn't contingent on consistency.
again you ask for feat but when they are given to you you dictate that they don't count because of your opinion...I could very well say the same thing about spiderman but...
Originally posted by jinzin
in 616 it would appear so..
Originally posted by jinzinSoleran gets what I'm saying. 😬
yes it is, for the exact reasoning that soljer already posted. 😬
HOW CAN YOU KNOCK SOMEONE OUT?
The ultimate significance of a blow results from: 1) type (i.e., jab, straight punch, left hook, or right cross), 2) duration, 3) force over time, or 4) where it is delivered (i.e. to the jaw, chin, and temple). Blows causing a TKO/KO are the acceleration or deceleration type.
Acceleration blows refer to a stationary head struck by an accelerated or rapidly moving punch. We all know when we watch a fight on television, we see the fighter’s head move from a significant blow and wait to see if the guy will be standing or hit the canvas. Rotary blows are probably the most serious type of acceleration blow. The head does just what it sounds like, rotates around from one side to the other, and frequently compress the carotid arteries (or arteries that run on either side of the neck). These are the same arteries that when compromised/blocked are frequently implicated in a stroke. A hook or roundhouse punch is the type causing head rotation. It’s force and how well it connects will influence how serious the result will be. An upper cut to the chin, is the second type of acceleration blow. We’ve seen these from time to time when the boxer’s head moves straight up. The fighter will also go down, but this time the circulation to the back of the brain is temporarily compressed.
Deceleration blows are where a fast moving object (the head) strikes a stationary object (the canvas). This form of trauma can also produce loss of consciousness. The same could happen from a head butt, where one fighter’s head hits another with great force.
The crucial, life-threatening importance of all these punches comes into play when a fighter doesn’t go down or even worse gets up without having his “legs under him.” This increases the susceptibility to the next punch that could amplify the reaction and result. A series of punches/relentless punishment will also produce a KO by temporarily disrupting all the circulation to the brain.
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Spider-Man's fist hitting Wolverine's head.
Wolverine's adamantium skull hitting his soft brain.
Wolverine's body hitting the floor.
Spider-Man standing, triumphant, victorious.
Short, sweet fight.