Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I never understood how Wolverine is ok to be unkoable for no logical reason, but Spiderman is slowed down to their speed... 😬 It would take time, but he definitely could do it. Wolverine won't be faring much better.
I cry again; by feats!
If we look at each combatant at their best, Spidey's speed feats don't outstrip Wolverine's. He's faster, for sure, but he doesn't put logan to shame. No one is 'slowing down' Spiderman - we're playing him at the exact same speed he's played at in comics. Same as any other character.
Wolverine's best durability feats, however, are beyond the kind of damage Spidey can really deal out, 😬.
If we go by the LOWEST feats...well....what's the least Wolverine's been knocked out by?
Also note that any time when his healing factor wasn't in tip top shape doesn't really apply - which really limits Wolverine's low showings. But I'm not a big fan, I haven't read enough Wolverine, I'm sure he has more low showings than I've read.
Originally posted by jinzin
nope that STILL would not be "next""his feats don't count because he was depicted has a high end villain"
???
🤨what the hell is that? ridiculous.
I love how some folks are reading a few words then skipping over the next few to read a few more then respond with something like you posted Jinzin.
How many comics was Mr X in, how many possible showings?
Originally posted by Soljer
I cry again; by feats!If we look at each combatant at their best, Spidey's speed feats don't outstrip Wolverine's. He's faster, for sure, but he doesn't put logan to shame. No one is 'slowing down' Spiderman - we're playing him at the exact same speed he's played at in comics. Same as any other character.
Wolverine's best durability feats, however, are beyond the kind of damage Spidey can really deal out, 😬.
If we go by the LOWEST feats...well....what's the least Wolverine's been knocked out by?
Also note that any time when his healing factor wasn't in tip top shape doesn't really apply - which really limits Wolverine's low showings. But I'm not a big fan, I haven't read enough Wolverine, I'm sure he has more low showings than I've read.
Yes his feats do put him to shame. Look at practically every issue they are in together and you can compare them. My favorite was in MTU where Wolverine was pinned somewhere dodging blasts and Spider-Man shows up and easily evades the shots
Originally posted by Soljer
I cry again; by feats!If we look at each combatant at their best, Spidey's speed feats don't outstrip Wolverine's. He's faster, for sure, but he doesn't put logan to shame. No one is 'slowing down' Spiderman - we're playing him at the exact same speed he's played at in comics. Same as any other character.
Wolverine's best durability feats, however, are beyond the kind of damage Spidey can really deal out, 😬.
Agreed, didn't Wolverine recently survive a run in with Namor, a guy who can lift thousands of tons. Doesn't that make his punches literally hundreds of times stronger than Spider-mans ?
Originally posted by jinzin
spidey gets a generalized perception of danger...
the difference from mr.x is that x can tell exactly what you're planning so there's no faking him out...
Except for Logan's berserker rage which he used against X in the same issue 🙄
And contrary to many opinions The spider-sense's primary function isn't the nature of the danger, like Mr X but how to avoid the danger.
Originally posted by jinzin
taskmaster tried to escape mr. x in a cage fight... taskmaster was already half way up the cage.. mr x was 20 feet away and on the other side of the ring.. by the time taskmaster TURNED AROUND, X had already beat him to the cage exit.... if he can do that to a guy like taskmaster I mean c'mon!
none of those links show spiderman doing anything like that against people of TM's caliber.
I have the issue right in front of me. All it shows is Mr X beating TM by predicting his moves and a feat to show he is fast. It doesn't say Mr X has superspeed like you said here.........
Originally posted by jinzin
Mr. X had super speed... does spidey?
It doesn't suggest in any way shape or form that Mr x has superspeed comparable in any way shape or form to that of spidey, so my question is why even suggest this?? Why suggest mr X has superspeed when there is one feat that only may/may not suggest that.
As for the Links not being the same caliber....did you even look at the link? Check out all of these......
1. A display of Speed Demon’s speed.
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..and Spider-Man webbing him with little trouble a page later.
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2. Juggernaut attempting to hit Spider-Man
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3. Owning Speed Demon once again, who Spidey says is as fast as (classic) Quicksilver.
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4. Taking down Rhino with one severely injured arm
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5. Dodging simultaneous blasts from a guy named Chance, who has a suit equipped with a targeting computer.
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6. Ruining Vulture with no trouble at all, and describing how he does it step-by-step.
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Chance makes an appearance again and Spidey makes similarly quick work of him as well.
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7. Battle with an advanced Spider-Slayer.
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8. Dodging blasts from a pissed Electro…
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…and then beating him with nothing but a rock. Lol.
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9. Dodging blasts from Surfer (when he was being controlled by the Carnage symbiote) then pummeling him a few times. It’s important to note that Surfer was trying to fight the symbiote’s influence, so he wasn’t going all out, but the symbiote would take control occasionally and the blasts were aimed to kill.
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Originally posted by jinzin
his spider sense acts as an equalizer and he's admitted it a few times... but pre-cog doesn't make up for extreme amounts of martial training, hell that was hinted at by spiderman himself in fights with iron fist, cap, and steel dragon.
The ability to dodge potentially anything your opponent can throw at you, say a shield, a fist, a bullet or even a laser more than overcompensates for a guy who can punch better than you cos potentially he can't hit you. 🙄
Originally posted by SoljerIf you look at them subjectively I suppose. Or if you don't go by the rules of the forum and lower one character by raising another.
I cry again; by feats!
What people don't seem to realize, or accept, is that feat wars are chock full of inconsistancies. Using feats alone makes for a one sided and circular war where each side uses feats that they like.
Originally posted by Soljer1. We don't look at characters at their highest showings only.
If we look at each combatant at their best, Spidey's speed feats don't outstrip Wolverine's.
Originally posted by Soljer
He's faster, for sure, but he doesn't put logan to shame.
Originally posted by SoljerNoone is "slowing him down" by saying he's an exact number. They are "slowing him down" by using feats that they want to use and neglecting others. Do I have to play feat war and use the high/low showing trick? Spiderman at his absolute BEST! Keyword best, are beyond what Logan, and even the xmen have touched. That is just pulling off the top of the crop. Is that hard to understand? How he was proven too fast for Thor to keep up with? Do I have to use these feats to prove my point that *this* speed is far too fast for Logan? I thought people knew this but they are saying they don't exist, or they will complain about them when Spiderman supporters do them. It's basically "you can't use feats that we don't like, but we can use all the feats we like."
No one is 'slowing down' Spiderman - we're playing him at the exact same speed he's played at in comics. Same as any other character.
Originally posted by SoljerThat is true... to a degree.
Wolverine's best durability feats, however, are beyond the kind of damage Spidey can really deal out, 😬.
Originally posted by SoljerDeers, poisoned tea, Archangel, etc.
If we go by the LOWEST feats...well....what's the least Wolverine's been knocked out by?
Originally posted by SoljerAnd Spiderman holding back is the same thing, since he holds back all the time...
Also note that any time when his healing factor wasn't in tip top shape doesn't really apply - which really limits Wolverine's low showings.
Originally posted by SoljerWell he does go up and down. Have you researched alot of these showings, or are you playing Devil's Advocate in fear that we're trying to hurt Logan's rep. Because it isn't my intention at all.
But I'm not a big fan, I haven't read enough Wolverine, I'm sure he has more low showings than I've read.
I've got to agree about this feat war thing. At least to a degree.
If you look at both characters speed feats and they have done the same thing, how do we know one character didn't do it faster? or was holding back? Now if you find a feat that far outstrips anything the other character has ever done then it is a different matter, but to say because both Wolverine and Spider-man dodge bullets they are the same speed seems well, stupid to me.
Its like saying both Spider-man and hulk lifted the same car so they are in the same league.
