Originally posted by SparkzExactly what I was saying earlier. Hasn't Spiderman lifted that Sub before, that *has* to be 70-100 tons, how about flicking that huge building over. Or lifting that thing that he said even Hulk couldn't lift? Doesn't that make him Hulk level strength? 😖hifty:
I've got to agree about this feat war thing. At least to a degree.If you look at both characters speed feats and they have done the same thing, how do we know one character didn't do it faster? or was holding back? Now if you find a feat that far outstrips anything the other character has ever done then it is a different matter, but to say because both Wolverine and Spider-man dodge bullets they are the same speed seems well, stupid to me.
Its like saying both Spider-man and hulk lifted the same car so they are in the same league.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Exactly what I was saying earlier. Hasn't Spiderman lifted that Sub before, that *has* to be 70-100 tons, how about flicking that huge building over. Or lifting that thing that he said even Hulk couldn't lift? Doesn't that make him Hulk level strength? 😖hifty:
If that were the truth, Venom would be on the level of Surfer. EEP!
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterhe's not slowed down to their speed... they're all in the same relative class...
I never understood how Wolverine is ok to be unkoable for no logical reason, but Spiderman is slowed down to their speed... 😬 It would take time, but he definitely could do it. Wolverine won't be faring much better.
Originally posted by Solerani've read everything you wrote, it made no more sense to me than it did soljer, you're logic is skewed... x appeared in what 4 maybe 5 books... so what?
I love how some folks are reading a few words then skipping over the next few to read a few more then respond with something like you posted Jinzin.How many comics was Mr X in, how many possible showings?
Originally posted by Sparkz
I've got to agree about this feat war thing. At least to a degree.If you look at both characters speed feats and they have done the same thing, how do we know one character didn't do it faster? or was holding back? Now if you find a feat that far outstrips anything the other character has ever done then it is a different matter, but to say because both Wolverine and Spider-man dodge bullets they are the same speed seems well, stupid to me.
Its like saying both Spider-man and hulk lifted the same car so they are in the same league.
I have been reading this thread for a while now and you finally nailed the hammer on the head, well as far as the speed part goes. Wolverine and Spiderman both dodge bullets, we all agree on that. Also most of us who pay attention to comics on a fairly regular basis would agree that Spiderman is faster than Wolverine in speed, overall body movements and more or less reflexes as well, no if's, and's, or but's about it. Now if you take a gun and fire it from 50 ft away at both of these characters, chances are they are going to dodge it; however, just because Wolverine dodged the same gunfire as Spiderman, it does not put him on the same level as Spidermans speed. Its a comparible feat yes, but Spiderman did the bullet dodge with less effort than Wolverine.
I agree with your post man I just had to elaborate a bit. Good stuff.
Originally posted by willRuleswhich isn't a way to fake out telepathy... it's completely shutting it down as an advantage...
Except for Logan's berserker rage which he used against X in the same issue 🙄
it's not the same as getting faked out like I described earlier.
Originally posted by willRulesno it's just a way of knowing that danger's there and where it's coming from, ending etc etc... even so his ss has been shown to be limited, nothing like x's telepathy at all.. the fact that you're trying to compare them is ludicrous.
And contrary to many opinions The spider-sense's primary function isn't the nature of the danger, like Mr X but how to avoid the danger.
have the issue right in front of me. All it shows is Mr X beating TM by predicting his moves and a feat to show he is fast. It doesn't say Mr X has superspeed like you said here......... [/B][/QUOTE]
I ask again for you to show me ONE solitary feat to show that spiderman has speed which is baffling to tasmkaster... I ask you to show one thing that shows what mr.x did as I described...
Originally posted by willRulesit's either that or he's a teleporter...
It doesn't suggest in any way shape or form that Mr x has superspeed comparable in any way shape or form to that of spidey, so my question is why even suggest this?? Why suggest mr X has superspeed when there is one feat that only may/may not suggest that.
Originally posted by willRules
As for the Links not being the same caliber....did you even look at the link? Check out all of these......1. A display of Speed Demon’s speed.
http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22219st.gif
..and Spider-Man webbing him with little trouble a page later.
http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22221ma.gif2. Juggernaut attempting to hit Spider-Man
http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22915is.gif3. Owning Speed Demon once again, who Spidey says is as fast as (classic) Quicksilver.
http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=28016vj.gif4. Taking down Rhino with one severely injured arm
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=28112qy.gif5. Dodging simultaneous blasts from a guy named Chance, who has a suit equipped with a targeting computer.
http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=29817cz.gif6. Ruining Vulture with no trouble at all, and describing how he does it step-by-step.
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=33615ku.gif
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=33620ea.gif
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=33635bp.gif
Chance makes an appearance again and Spidey makes similarly quick work of him as well.
http://img509.imageshack.us/my.php?image=33640ee.gif
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=33655wg.gif7. Battle with an advanced Spider-Slayer.
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36819bd.gif
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36829kv.gif
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36838lj.gif
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36843rf.gif
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36850nt.gif8. Dodging blasts from a pissed Electro…
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=42519cf.gif
…and then beating him with nothing but a rock. Lol.
http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=42526ha.gif9. Dodging blasts from Surfer (when he was being controlled by the Carnage symbiote) then pummeling him a few times. It’s important to note that Surfer was trying to fight the symbiote’s influence, so he wasn’t going all out, but the symbiote would take control occasionally and the blasts were aimed to kill.
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=43119qq.gif
http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=43129dd.gif
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see.. you fail.. none of this even comes close to the calibur of what x did.
Originally posted by willRulesspiderman CAN'T dodge anything people throw at him in terms of fists though.. that's the point.. he's no immaculate.. stop acting otherwise.
The ability to dodge potentially anything your opponent can throw at you, say a shield, a fist, a bullet or even a laser more than overcompensates for a guy who can punch better than you cos potentially he can't hit you. 🙄
Originally posted by python99Exactly my point earlier.
I have been reading this thread for a while now and you finally nailed the hammer on the head, well as far as the speed part goes. Wolverine and Spiderman both dodge bullets, we all agree on that. Also most of us who pay attention to comics on a fairly regular basis would agree that Spiderman is faster than Wolverine in speed, overall body movements and more or less reflexes as well, no if's, and's, or but's about it. Now if you take a gun and fire it from 50 ft away at both of these characters, chances are they are going to dodge it; however, just because Wolverine dodged the same gunfire as Spiderman, it does not put him on the same level as Spidermans speed. Its a comparible feat yes, but Spiderman did the bullet dodge with less effort than Wolverine.I agree with your post man I just had to elaborate a bit. Good stuff.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerIt's because he's batman!
Batman has similar disappearing/appearing feats then X has and he doesn't have superspeed. I think it is just a ninja ability. 😂
I actually miss the Batman discussions a bit. 🙁
Originally posted by Soljer
Didn't logan get knocked BACK by a deer? I could have sworn the deer didn't knock him OUT 😕.Also, Spiderman has poisoned stingers, but they are hardly an issue here, so Logan's resistance to poisoned tea shouldn't be called into account. 😬.
As far as Archangel knocking him out....seriously? Damn.
the deer debate, is still up for debate.. we saw him knocked back and hit the floor, but his student that sprinted back to the jeep ended up seeing wolverine already beat him there.
a more current logan's had resistance enough to stay concious after drinking poisioned tea that would drop an elephant
and I don't recall archangel knocking logan out ever...
what issue is this?
the only time I remember him and archy fighting was during a stint on mojo world and logan had his number...
hell even classic sabretooth fought archangel to a stalemate totally uneffected by archy's wing tips...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Batman has similar disappearing/appearing feats then X has and he doesn't have superspeed. I think it is just a ninja ability. 😂
appearing and dissapearing is one thing... but to be 20 feet away from the entrance of the ring, taskmaster to turn around and have x beat him to the spot before he even know what happened... NOT the same.
Originally posted by Sparkzit's not just about dodging bullets though.. it's about ALL of their speed feats,
I've got to agree about this feat war thing. At least to a degree.If you look at both characters speed feats and they have done the same thing, how do we know one character didn't do it faster? or was holding back? Now if you find a feat that far outstrips anything the other character has ever done then it is a different matter, but to say because both Wolverine and Spider-man dodge bullets they are the same speed seems well, stupid to me.
Its like saying both Spider-man and hulk lifted the same car so they are in the same league.
being blurs unperceivable to the human eye,
being faster than trained soldiers can even register,
moving faster than a human mind can comprehend,
acting fast enough to dodge lasers after they've been fired,
doing multipe actions in between lazer fire,
standing 5 feet away from a gun and stopping the bullet from exiting the berral after the trigger's already been pulled..
the hulk spidey comparison is a good point but a moot point here...
Originally posted by jinzin
no it's just a way of knowing that danger's there and where it's coming from, ending etc etc... even so his ss has been shown to be limited, nothing like x's telepathy at all.. the fact that you're trying to compare them is ludicrous.
No what's ludicrous is implying that Mr X has super speed because he showed himself to be fast in front of TM. Batman has done similar feats over and over where he appeared behind someone. Maybe Batman can teleport!!! 😱
Originally posted by jinzin
I ask again for you to show me ONE solitary feat to show that spiderman has speed which is baffling to tasmkaster... I ask you to show one thing that shows what mr.x did as I described...
I have shown you numerous feats of spidey baffling people who make Taskmaster look like a snail. But clearly because in one instance Mr X looked like he might be faster than Taskmaster he clearly now can teleport. And he can fly, and he can outrace the flash. And he knows who really shot JFK.
Although, saying this, probably deep in history of the Spidey universe, there may be an issue where Spidey shows himself to be as fast as Taskmaster. Maybe one day then Spidey might prove to be remotely near the speed of the great Mr X and his singular and highly questionable speed feat 🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
it's either that or he's a teleporter...
Do you know what, we haven't seen Mr X dodge multiple lasers firing at him with computer guided precision, but because in this feat he appeared to be faster than TM, he can clearly do it. 🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
see.. you fail.. none of this even comes close to the calibur of what x did.
That's right. Simply because one feat of Mr X implied as being faster than TM, clearly shows he can match all the feats spidey can. And he can shoot lasers out of his anus.
Originally posted by jinzin
spiderman CAN'T dodge anything people throw at him in terms of fists though.. that's the point.. he's no immaculate.. stop acting otherwise.
Oh no I wouldn't dream of it. First Mr X has to commit a singular feat which proves next to nothing, so a wolverine fanboy can come up with a half baked excuse as to how it means the character can reach light speed..........before I make a statement like Spidey can dodge punches 🙄
Originally posted by python99
I have been reading this thread for a while now and you finally nailed the hammer on the head, well as far as the speed part goes. Wolverine and Spiderman both dodge bullets, we all agree on that. Also most of us who pay attention to comics on a fairly regular basis would agree that Spiderman is faster than Wolverine in speed, overall body movements and more or less reflexes as well, no if's, and's, or but's about it. Now if you take a gun and fire it from 50 ft away at both of these characters, chances are they are going to dodge it; however, just because Wolverine dodged the same gunfire as Spiderman, it does not put him on the same level as Spidermans speed. Its a comparible feat yes, but Spiderman did the bullet dodge with less effort than Wolverine.I agree with your post man I just had to elaborate a bit. Good stuff.
I understand EVERYONE's points. I understand that just because they replicate the same feat doesn't NECESSARILY put them in the same class. However, no one's posted a speed feat that outstrips Wolverine's. That is the point.
I could likely post a thousand different Hulk strength feats that greatly outstrip ANYTHING Spiderman's ever done.
I haven't seen a single Spidey speed feat that greatly outstrips Wolverine. Is he faster? Yeah. Does the Spider sense count as a HUGE advantage? Yeah. Is he more agile? You damn well better believe it.
Are these so much of an advantage that he'll dodge every blow that a VERY speedy, VERY well trained fighter attempts to land on him all day long? Twenty four, seven, three sixty five?
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Originally posted by willRules
No what's ludicrous is implying that Mr X has super speed because he showed himself to be fast in front of TM. Batman has done similar feats over and over where he appeared behind someone. Maybe Batman can teleport!!! 😱
not like that, not at that distance, and NOT against the calibur fighter of Tm's class.. the same guy who went toe to toe with spidey and won. the same guy who cathes bullets with ease...
Originally posted by willRulesnow you're just being bitter...
I have shown you numerous feats of spidey baffling people who make Taskmaster look like a snail. But clearly because in one instance Mr X looked like he [B]might be faster than Taskmaster he clearly now can teleport. And he can fly, and he can outrace the flash. And he knows who really shot JFK.[/B]
the fact is you've shown some fast spidey feats,, nothing that outclasses even wolverine's feats much less compare to what we saw x do and that's it..
Originally posted by willRulesit's not being faster than Tm that makes it a feat in the first place.. read the feat again..
Although, saying this, probably deep in history of the Spidey universe, there may be an issue where Spidey shows himself to be as fast as Taskmaster. Maybe one day then Spidey might prove to be remotely near the speed of the great Mr X and his singular and highly questionable speed feat 🙄.
Originally posted by willRulesmaybe maybe not... but again we're nottalking about reflexes, and spider sense, we're talking about pure speed... half of your examples were spider sense induced, not straight speed.. that's a problem.
Do you know what, we haven't seen Mr X dodge multiple lasers firing at him with computer guided precision, but because in this feat he appeared to be faster than TM, he can clearly do it. 🙄
Originally posted by willRulesagain read the feat over.... not only was x reacting faster than TM a guy who again has matched spidey, but he baffled TM something spidey has never done.. and again it wasn't being faster than TM that makes it a feat it's being faster than TM moving his damned head around from 20 feet away..
That's right. Simply because one feat of Mr X implied as being faster than TM, clearly shows he can match all the feats spidey can. And he can shoot lasers out of his anus.
Originally posted by willRules
Oh no I wouldn't dream of it. First Mr X has to commit a singular feat which proves next to nothing, so a wolverine fanboy can come up with a half baked excuse as to how it means the character can reach light speed..........before I make a statement like Spidey can dodge punches 🙄
you don't have to dream of it, you're doing it...
what about me makes me a wolverine fanboy?
everything I state IS A FACT... not opinion, not half assed assumptions.. but straight... up... FACT.
it's a fact that x had a solitary speed feet that outclasses anything spidey's shown to do yet, it's a fact that TM has beat spidey in hand to hand and was able to compensate for spidey's speed by emulating it, it's a fact that spiderman's never produced a feat that puts him up to that calibur... none of that is fanboyism... none of it.
you're bitter plain and simple... using x as a comparative statute for spidey is bullshit, spidey doesn't have the same advantages, he doesn't have the same training, he doesn't have telepathy, he's not x. period.
