Bullseye VS Black Panther

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Still don't see it. T'Challa is one of the best martial artists as well. Hell, he's pretty much on par with Cap. And BP's agility is slightly better than DD's. As well as his speed being superior to DD's.

As good as Bullseye is in hand-to-hand fighting, BP would still humiliate him.

I know that BP's suit can be cut along the seams, but does Bullseye know that? 🙄 Probably not.

IF this starts in the Jungle, then Black Panther wins everytime. 😐

I'll agree that Black Panther wins if this is in the Jungle, what with cover, and his home element and all.

However, if not specified, it's usually assumed an 'arena' type battle, yes?

Bullseye will take him. T'Challa's agility really isn't out of Murdock's league. Nor are any of his speed feats.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Still don't see it. T'Challa is one of the best martial artists as well. Hell, he's pretty much on par with Cap. And BP's agility is slightly better than DD's. As well as his speed being superior to DD's.

As good as Bullseye is in hand-to-hand fighting, BP would still humiliate him.

I know that BP's suit can be cut along the seams, but does Bullseye know that? 🙄 Probably not.

IF this starts in the Jungle, then Black Panther wins everytime. 😐

Bp would indeed best BE in h2h, i agree. In this sceario though, i really dont think he can win.

On the other hand, BP's agility is not in daredevils leauge. I mean, you are certianly entitled to your own opinion, but i cant help but feel that is doing daredevil some injustice. And h2h wise, he is VERY good, i agree, but hes not as good as the "elite" martial artists. Cap, Daredevil, IF and even deadpool to name a few

ill say this, he falls at the very end of the elite list.
still good, but not the best

Originally posted by Soljer
I'll agree that Black Panther wins if this is in the Jungle, what with cover, and his home element and all.

However, if not specified, it's usually assumed an 'arena' type battle, yes?

Bullseye will take him. T'Challa's agility really isn't out of Murdock's league. Nor are any of his speed feats.

Yea, you're right about the environment. It wasn't stated, so we just have to assume they're in a neutral environment.

Regardless, BP's agility is SLIGHTLY above DD's, from all the comic showings I've seen of both. As well as his speed. I'm not trying to downplay Daredevil at all. I think he's one of the most skilled fighters there is. In fact, I don't think one can accurately and fairly compare BP to DD. They have similar skills, yes, but the two also have some very different skills as well. Know what I mean?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yea, you're right about the environment. It wasn't stated, so we just have to assume they're in a neutral environment.

Regardless, BP's agility is SLIGHTLY above DD's, from all the comic showings I've seen of both. As well as his speed. I'm not trying to downplay Daredevil at all. I think he's one of the most skilled fighters there is. In fact, I don't think one can accurately and fairly compare BP to DD. They have similar skills, yes, but the two also have some very different skills as well. Know what I mean?

I do
and in some ways daredevil has a few "unfair" advantages over BP
still, i dont think Bp is more agile, or even somewhat as agile seeing that Daredevil is also superhumanly augmented, even if only slightly

& ditto on the enviorment

I'm not sure if it matters if BP is faster than DD.

Bullseye, provided he has enough space, should be able to track either of their movements, and in a forum scenario, his aim is good enough to hit a human figure moving that fast, especially going for a leg shot (unprotected in this scenario).

I'm sure BP could evade and dodge, but bullseye is too talented not to be able to hit a target moving at that speed given enough distance.

Originally posted by inamilist
I'm not sure if it matters if BP is faster than DD.

Bullseye, provided he has enough space, should be able to track either of their movements, and in a forum scenario, his aim is good enough to hit a human figure moving that fast, especially going for a leg shot (unprotected in this scenario).

I'm sure BP could evade and dodge, but bullseye is too talented not to be able to hit a target moving at that speed given enough distance.

yeah, and in some instances, if it werent for DD's senses, he'd be dead a long time ago.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yea, you're right about the environment. It wasn't stated, so we just have to assume they're in a neutral environment.

Regardless, BP's agility is SLIGHTLY above DD's, from all the comic showings I've seen of both. As well as his speed. I'm not trying to downplay Daredevil at all. I think he's one of the most skilled fighters there is. In fact, I don't think one can accurately and fairly compare BP to DD. They have similar skills, yes, but the two also have some very different skills as well. Know what I mean?

To each their own. I know you like Daredevil - in fact, I've seen you give him the majority over Captain America (something I happen to disagree with...but that's for another thread, 😉 ).

I just happen to think that Daredevil's speed and agility feats are comparable enough to T'Challas that even though T'Challa is faster, it's not by enough of a margin to make a difference in the fight.

I mean, the 6'1" guy has longer reach than the 6'1/2" guy, but it won't come out in the fight, 😉.

Originally posted by Soljer
To each their own. I know you like Daredevil - in fact, I've seen you give him the majority over Captain America (something I happen to disagree with...but that's for another thread, 😉 ).

I just happen to think that Daredevil's speed and agility feats are comparable enough to T'Challas that even though T'Challa is faster, it's not by enough of a margin to make a difference in the fight.

I mean, the 6'1" guy has longer reach than the 6'1/2" guy, but it won't come out in the fight, 😉.

Lol, funny
i agree(d)
with the dd>cap statement as well
but thats another thread indeed

Originally posted by Soljer
To each their own. I know you like Daredevil - in fact, I've seen you give him the majority over Captain America (something I happen to disagree with...but that's for another thread, 😉 ).

I just happen to think that Daredevil's speed and agility feats are comparable enough to T'Challas that even though T'Challa is faster, it's not by enough of a margin to make a difference in the fight.

I mean, the 6'1" guy has longer reach than the 6'1/2" guy, but it won't come out in the fight, 😉.

And I can easily agree to all of that. 👆

Panther wins this. He's more agile and faster than Daredevil. Matt's radar senses help him dodge a lot but sufficient speed, like from Punisher and Captain America can also evade Bullseye. If Frank can dodge then T'Challa can dodge

Originally posted by marvelprince
Panther wins this. He's more agile and faster than Daredevil. Matt's radar senses help him dodge a lot but sufficient speed, like from Punisher and Captain America can also evade Bullseye. If Frank can dodge then T'Challa can dodge

Frank dodging bullets is either evasion or PIS. Him dodging Bullseye is just PIS.

Everyone else has a REASON they can dodge bullets. Cap can see faster, Daredevil has his radar sense, Spiderman has a spider sense, Punisher has...ermm...

Exactly. He isn't even portrayed as peak human, there is no way he dodges bullets, unless he's dodging them because the shooter has shitty aim. Or he dodges them via evasion.

With Bullseye, there is no such luck. He can lead the target the exact right way, take into account the wind, and atmospheric conditions and....

Frank is getting hit.

T'Challa is getting hit.

Originally posted by Soljer
Frank dodging bullets is either evasion or PIS. Him dodging Bullseye is just PIS.

Everyone else has a REASON they can dodge bullets. Cap can see faster, Daredevil has his radar sense, Spiderman has a spider sense, Punisher has...ermm...

Exactly. He isn't even portrayed as peak human, there is no way he dodges bullets, unless he's dodging them because the shooter has shitty aim. Or he dodges them via evasion.

With Bullseye, there is no such luck. He can lead the target the exact right way, take into account the wind, and atmospheric conditions and....

Frank is getting hit.

T'Challa is getting hit.

Really underestimating Punisher aren't you. Take a look at Bullseye's limited series for Frank dodging him. BTW Bullseye did manage to tag him but not serious damage. Also BP has essentially the same powers as Cap plus enhanced senses so I wouldn't say its much of a stretch to say he can see things in slow mo

Originally posted by marvelprince
Really underestimating Punisher aren't you. Take a look at Bullseye's limited series for Frank dodging him. BTW Bullseye did manage to tag him but not serious damage. Also BP has essentially the same powers as Cap plus enhanced senses so I wouldn't say its much of a stretch to say he can see things in slow mo

Cap has stated in canon that he sees things faster.

Has T'Challa taken the Super Soldier Serum? No? Then they don't have identical power sets.

Show me a scan that features T'Challa saying that he can see things in slow motion. Go for it.

This fight is in a rubbish dump, both have everything there at their disposal. Sorry for not saying that first.

Black Panther takes the majority over Bullseye, and for DD is no where near Black Panther/Captain America in fighting ability, even Captain America fears and respect Black Panther and that's saying alot. Priest run on Black Panther shows that Black Panther can adept in any environment even in the city etc. Black Panther will hang Bullseye in his trophy room, BP 8/10.

Originally posted by Soljer
Cap has stated in canon that he sees things faster.

Has T'Challa taken the Super Soldier Serum? No? Then they don't have identical power sets.

Show me a scan that features T'Challa saying that he can see things in slow motion. Go for it.

Heart-Herb=Super Soldier serum, even Captain America consider him a equal. Black Panther took out Iron Man's stealth suit with in minutes, Black Panther dodges just as good as Captain America or better. T'Challa has been training since he was child to become the future King and the Black Panther mantle.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Black Panther takes the majority over Bullseye, and for DD is no where near Black Panther/Captain America in fighting ability, even Captain America fears and respect Black Panther and that's saying alot. Priest run on Black Panther shows that Black Panther can adept in any environment even in the city etc. Black Panther will hang Bullseye in his trophy room, BP 8/10.

Captain America didnt Fear thanos with the ****ing Infinity Gauntlet, but he fears some African in a Cat-suit....hell no. Cap has beat BP twice in the original Avengers run, and once in battle of the champions. Cap Dont fear no man, and is the Street Level KING. I hate it when people get off saying that cap is a tie with BP when in every fight theyve had cap gets the better of him.

And BPs dad only got the drop on a young and unexperienced cap...which he even stated himself.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Heart-Herb=Super Soldier serum, even Captain America consider him a equal. Black Panther took out Iron Man's stealth suit with in minutes, Black Panther dodges just as good as Captain America or better. T'Challa has been training since he was child to become the future King and the Black Panther mantle.

The Heart shaped herb amping on a SSS level? Sure. But that doesn't mean they are equal in every way shape and form. It may or may not enhance T'Challa's speed and strength to levels comparable to Steve's, but that doesn't mean it give him the ability to 'see faster' the way the SSS does.

Originally posted by King KAM
oh your full of shit.

Captain America didnt Fear thanos with the ****ing Infinity Gauntlet, but he fears some African in a Cat-suit....hell no. Cap has beat BP twice in the original Avengers run, and once in battle of the champions. Cap Dont fear no man, and is the Street Level KING. I hate it when people get off saying that cap is a tie with BP when in every fight theyve had cap gets the better of him.

And BPs dad only got the drop on a young and unexperienced cap...which he even stated himself.

Would you mind posting Captain America's three wins over T'Challa in his respect thread? I've only ever seen T'Chaka beating the inexperienced Steve.

Originally posted by Soljer
Cap has stated in canon that he sees things faster.

Has T'Challa taken the Super Soldier Serum? No? Then they don't have identical power sets.

Show me a scan that features T'Challa saying that he can see things in slow motion. Go for it.

Yea cause what I said was that T'Challa was also a super soldier and that he and Cap were exactly the same. Did you even read what I said?

BP, to the best of my knowledge, has never stated that he can see things in slow motionn (I was sure I made certain my post showed enough reasonable doubt), but with his enhanced senses I don't see how that really matters. He's not on the level of Daredevil but he has used his senses to anticipate his opponents in the past. Plus his eyes are sharp enough to accuratly trace the trajectory of objects in flight