Atheism

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Okay, I'll make a deal. If anyone can say or reveal something that proves atheism is more truthful or actual than Christianity, and if I cant give a good explanation, I will humbly agree with all of you that atheism is the way forward.

If I am able to counter your statements, I will post a statement of mine which any of you must explain intelligently. If not, well, its really up to all of you if you are willing to humble yourselves before Christ.

Agreed? Since Nellinator has a neutral stance, he can be the mediator (if he is willing, of course).

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
whats the longest you've ever spent being tortured? (you need some perspective before you can write about suffering)

how many athiests have been responible for genocide of people just becuase they disagreed with them?

atheists may not have the moral rule book that you do but frankly far too many christians are awful people
I'm not saying christianity is bad but if you force people to either belive what you do or kill them your not a very good person svaed or not

I personally know very few christians who are mean people, and it would be wrong to blame modern christianity for the many genocides done in the past.

Atheism hasn't ever been big enough to be able to try genocide, lol

And if we're going to comment on the moral rule book, in modern society christians follow(or usually atleast try to follow) the Bible AND the rules of the country, but in the past genocides the bible was completely ignored! God was just used to scare people into following the kings wishes.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Atheism isnt' trying to prove anything, therefore holds the quest of finding the truth. Better we search for the truth, not think we know the truth.

Or, in a more personal view, atheism is about being in denial of the truth right infront of there eyes.

Originally posted by BananaKing
I personally know very few christians who are mean people, and it would be wrong to blame modern christianity for the many genocides done in the past.

Every faith has its evil people UpInFlames cannot argue that being athiesm automatically makes people bad when Christianity has not been succesful in preventing it.

I don't blame modern Christians for past genocides.

Originally posted by BananaKing

Atheism hasn't ever been big enough to be able to try genocide, lol

Athiesm is ancient.

Originally posted by BananaKing

And if we're going to comment on the moral rule book, in modern society christians follow(or usually atleast try to follow) the Bible AND the rules of the country, but in the past genocides the bible was completely ignored! God was just used to scare people into following the kings wishes.

Thats the best defense of Christiantiy I've seen so far.

However, there are people who do horrible things because they think that God wants it. There are very few athiests who do horrible things becasue they don't believe in God.

Originally posted by BananaKing
Or, in a more personal view, atheism is about being in denial of the truth right infront of there eyes.

The same can be said of Christianity.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Athiesm is ancient.

Thats the best defense of Christiantiy I've seen so far.

However, there are people who do horrible things because they think that God wants it. There are very few athiests who do horrible things becasue they don't believe in God.

1. Aye, it may be ancient, but it has suprisingly never been too popular 😉

2. It is true some people are confused by what god expects of them, but it's more the persons fault than the religion itself, they should have perhaps read the Bible more.

Originally posted by BananaKing
1. Aye, it may be ancient, but it has suprisingly never been too popular 😉

Murder is ancient and popular (does that make it good?).

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Murder is ancient and popular (does that make it good?).

Lol, From a christian point of view, no it doesn't!

But it isn't about how good it is, it's more about how easy to believe it is.

Originally posted by BananaKing
Lol, From a christian point of view, no it doesn't!

Its wrong from any sane PoV.

Originally posted by BananaKing

But it isn't about how good it is, it's more about how easy to believe it is.

I find it extremely easy to not believe in god.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Maybe truth cannot be known.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Saint Augustine once said that is unlikely that God would put anything in the Bible that was not pertinent to our salvation. I see a lot of wisdom there, though I don't entirely agree with it.

Saint Augustine was just a man, and the bible is just a book.

However, Buddha was just a man, and the Lotus sutra is just a book.

We take from these books and people what we bring with us.

Must you always do that?

Its absurdly true, so imo worth repeating.

Originally posted by Nellinator
A lot of the history it records is true. The Hebrews in Egypt under an Assyrian king, many of the wars, the flood, the wars, the fall of Babylon and Nineveh, etc. are all historic events accurately recorded in the Bible.

I believe the word you're looking for is "truthiness". Let's take another look at your "claim":

A lot of the history it records is truthiness. The Hebrews in Egypt under an Assyrian king(?), many of the wars(?), the flood(?), (many of)the wars(?), the fall of Babylon and Nineveh, etc. are all historic events "accurately" recorded in the Bible.

Originally posted by Nellinator
The Bible leaves an open end on the age of the world.

But fundamental Christians do not.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Saint Augustine once said that is unlikely that God would put anything in the Bible that was not pertinent to our salvation. I see a lot of wisdom there, though I don't entirely agree with it.

Why do you do that all the time? You make a statement in one sentence and then totally invalidate it in the next.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Why do you do that all the time? You make a statement in one sentence and then totally invalidate it in the next.

I do that because I believe that the closer to the truth we can get the better. So, while Augustine made a good start I believe there is more to it which is what I meant.

Originally posted by Nellinator
I didn't invalidate it, however, I do think that it is more complex than that. I do not believe that the number of able bodied Jews from the tribe of Benjamin is pertinent to my salvation, but I do agree with it in accordance to the Genesis account which was the context that Augustine was speaking in.

I do that because I believe that the closer to the truth we can get the better. So, while Augustine made a good start I believe there is more to it which is what I meant.

So, a good start doesn't mean the end result has been reached?

Why is it impossible for that to be the case with your religion? It must be the whole infallible word of god thing.*

*which is repeatedly and differently interpreted by over 2000 years worth of people who think they speak for god.