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Re: Atheism

Originally posted by Up In Flames
I've heard quite a lot of opposition against Christianity so I'd like to make a stand for my Saviour and Creator.

You're creators are your parents. Your saviour is unknown or no-existant, having that said, I doubt anyone here has dissed them.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Let's talk about atheism. From what the atheists here say, I've come to the idea that it is not only a hateful concept, its a selfish and cowardly one too.

But discriminating gays and blacks isn't?

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Hateful in the sense that these people attack Christians harshly and totally miss the point of the particular thread.

Example?

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Selfish in the sense that they believe in "self will" and not "self sacrifice".

So you're saying Atheists don't sacrafice themselves? Hmm...

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Cowardly in the sense that they run from the truth that Jesus Christ died for everyone in the world.

Not really, we have asked for the proof and the logic behind this, it is you christians who seem to run away. Seriously, we demand you provide valid evidence to suggest this; anyone true to their beliefs is willing to put them to the test, rather than ignore any outside information.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
It is apparent that we live in a sinful world.

And whose fault is that?

Originally posted by Up In Flames
People are ignorant of the fact that there is such a thing as absolute good and evil.

If there really is a good and evil, then evil, being evil, wouldn't be possible, if there is a god. Because such a god wouldn't allow it, nut all these things you say are evil are allowed, because they're possible to accomplish. Think about that next time you're at the abortion clinic.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
And the atheists make it worse by disthroning the Heavenly Father by spreading their corrupt disease of Godlessness as much as they possibly can.

What is this "Heavenly Father" that you speak of?

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Anyone who has come into contact with an atheist will say that these individuals serve nobody other than themselves.

Yeah I mean it's not like we have businesses and governments.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
They refuse to believe that there is a governing figure watching their every move.

Prove it, and I will believe.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
They know that they would have to cease all immoral behaviour if they were to accept God as the true King.

Define immoral.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Until I see an atheist sacrifice himself for at least another person to get whipped with shrapnel, get beaten to the point where he would no longer look human, be nailed to a cross and suffer the brutal agony for a few hours before dying, I urge them to keep whatever nonsense they want to speak about Jesus to themselves. They are in no position to mock Jesus if they cant even endure a fraction of the hell he went through.

And I await you to do the same.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Nobody is perfect. I'm not perfect. But Jesus was.

Define perfect.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
For this reason, I gave my life to him and I owe him for every miracle, every gift I have received in my life. We all do.

Then how are we supposed to pay him back?

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Atheists are not the enemies, despite the fact that they do work for him, and they deserve eternal salvation as much as any Christian does.

What enemy? What the **** are you talking about? If you said this to someone that had no knowledge of christianity, they would be so confused.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Question is whether they're willing to accept it or not...

Accept what?

Marxman Resident Communist

Re: Re: Atheism

There are somethings I agree with in your post but some of what you say is so ridiculous that I just have to say something. I'll be quoting just those parts.

Originally posted by lord xyz
You're creators are your parents. Your saviour is unknown or no-existant, having that said, I doubt anyone here has dissed them.

His "creator" is his god and his "saviour" is Jesus. Don't mock his religion. It shows your prejudice and ignorance.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Example?

If you don't notice it you're more ignorant than I first believed. Asking for an example is ridiculous. Who's going to search through the forums for one? But if you still want one I can probably find more than one is a matter of minutes. I can find an example of any "religion" being totally off-topic in order to get their point across.

Originally posted by lord xyz
And whose fault is that?

I don't get what you're trying to imply here.

Originally posted by lord xyz
If there really is a good and evil, then evil, being evil, wouldn't be possible, if there is a god. Because such a god wouldn't allow it, nut all these things you say are evil are allowed, because they're possible to accomplish. Think about that next time you're at the abortion clinic.

God "allows" evil to occur because he has granted free will. He didn't create evil, only good. Evil is simply the absence of good. There is no such thing as cold or darkness in our reality. It's just the way we perceive a lack of heat or light. Same with good and evil.

Originally posted by lord xyz
What is this "Heavenly Father" that you speak of?

This is the ridiculousness I am speaking of. You know what he means. You may not believe that there is one but you know he does so why say some stupid shit like this. The only logical answer for him is "God" and then we get into a stupid "There is no such thing - Yes there is" argument that gets no where.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Prove it, and I will believe.

Again. Stupid. You prove there isn't one.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Then how are we supposed to pay him back?

By following his teachings and doing good deeds, etc, etc would be my guess. You couldn't figure that out yourself?

Originally posted by lord xyz
What enemy? What the **** are you talking about? If you said this to someone that had no knowledge of christianity, they would be so confused.

I'm guessing the "enemy" is the devil or whatever you want to call them. And he's not directing his comments to someone with no knowledge of Christianity. He was directing his comments to those that have argued against Christianity on these forums and he makes that apparent in his post.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Accept what?

Refer to his sentence right before this one. ❌

lord xyz Restricted

Re: Re: Re: Atheism

Originally posted by Marxman
His "creator" is his god and his "saviour" is Jesus. Don't mock his religion. It shows your prejudice and ignorance.

God isn't his creator, God doesn't exist. Jesus isn't his saviour by the fact that Jesus was a man who died nearly 2000 years ago. How a man who died way before Up In Flames was born could save Up In Flames, I don't know.

Originally posted by Marxman
If you don't notice it you're more ignorant than I first believed. Asking for an example is ridiculous. Who's going to search through the forums for one? But if you still want one I can probably find more than one is a matter of minutes. I can find an example of any "religion" being totally off-topic in order to get their point across.

Well the only atheist I've seen who misses the point of a thread and attacks Christianity instead is Lord Urizen. Although, his form of atheism is a lot different to everyone else here's form of atheism.

Originally posted by Marxman
I don't get what you're trying to imply here.

Why do we live in a sinful world and who made it sinful.

Originally posted by Marxman
God "allows" evil to occur because he has granted free will. He didn't create evil, only good. Evil is simply the absence of good. There is no such thing as cold or darkness in our reality. It's just the way we perceive a lack of heat or light. Same with good and evil.

I don't understand. There are too many flaws here but one thing is certain, good and evil are not abcolutes, they are opinion.

Originally posted by Marxman
This is the ridiculousness I am speaking of. You know what he means. You may not believe that there is one but you know he does so why say some stupid shit like this. The only logical answer for him is "God" and then we get into a stupid "There is no such thing - Yes there is" argument that gets no where.

I wanted to see his reaction when he sees I don't know what God is...but you spoilt it.

Originally posted by Marxman
Again. Stupid. You prove there isn't one.

THe fact that it's made up? The fact that it's as real as Goblins and Harry Potter? Or the fact that there is no evidence to suggest it.

I am not saying God is absolute false, that would be obsurd. But I like to believe in facts, not fiction, and until it is a fact, I won't believe in it.

Originally posted by Marxman
By following his teachings and doing good deeds, etc, etc would be my guess. You couldn't figure that out yourself?

And what did Jesus say? The Bible has been changed so much it's almost impossible to know. For all you know Jesus could of hated white people and say being white is a sin.

Originally posted by Marxman
I'm guessing the "enemy" is the devil or whatever you want to call them. And he's not directing his comments to someone with no knowledge of Christianity. He was directing his comments to those that have argued against Christianity on these forums and he makes that apparent in his post.

Yes I know.But you misread what I posted. The two questions were targeted at the satan bit to show how unclear he's being, as if we're supposed to know we are "evil" or something. The statement after was directed at all of his post to show that again, he is speaking in tongues and making little sense.

Originally posted by Marxman
Refer to his sentence right before this one. ❌

I did. I;m asking him what are we supposed to accept, we are evil, we work for the enemy, we need more help than christians (which may I add is incredibly arrogant), seriously, I don't understand his post but a total whine at people not believing what he believes.

finti Senior Member

His "creator" is his god and his "saviour" is Jesus. Don't mock his religion. It shows your prejudice and ignorance

do you think that , "his ways", the opposition would show any less ignorance and prejudice towards other way of belief and ways of thinking?

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

Re: Re: Re: Re: Atheism

Originally posted by lord xyz
How a man who died way before Up In Flames was born could save Up In Flames, I don't know.

not to be dismissive of religion but psychologically if you believe you are saved it could certainly have positive effects on his psyche

Originally posted by lord xyz

Well the only atheist I've seen who misses the point of a thread and attacks Christianity instead is Lord Urizen. Although, his form of atheism is a lot different to everyone else here's form of atheism.

thats not quite true

several athiests in KMC attack chistianity (yourself for example attempting to bait UpInFlames, denoucncing his beliefs as being born purely of ignorance)

finti Senior Member

several athiests in KMC attack chistianity

actually atheist "attack" any form of religions regardless form............ just by being atheist

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

Originally posted by finti
actually atheist "attack" any form of religions regardless form............ just by being atheist

explain

finti Senior Member

well atheist dont "buy" the religious tales and every denial of them is considered an attack on the faith

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

I need to find some crazier Christians

All the christians I know (except on KMC) are more reasonable than that

finti Senior Member

I need to find some crazier Christians

crazier than believing in a no provable deity with writings leading toward a no provable divine execution of a no provable son of a deity?

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

I mean Christians like Marchello

Besides Christianity isn't a mental disorder anymore than other forms of faith

finti Senior Member

Marchello??????????????? as in the pizza

Besides Christianity isn't a mental disorder anymore than other forms of faith

still a mental disorder just like all the other forms of faith

debbiejo Dreamer

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I mean Christians like Marchello
Besides Christianity isn't a mental disorder anymore than other forms of faith

He left for the GF now.....Those poor poor people.

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

Originally posted by finiti
Marchello??????????????? as in the pizza

no as in the most insane christian you'll find on KMC

go back through the thread he posts constantly

Originally posted by debbiejo
He left for the GF now.....Those poor poor people.

Marchello is gone!

😄 💃 😄

debbiejo Dreamer

He's in the "Are you afraid of Dieing" Thread in the GF now...........He's a preacher!! 😑

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

Originally posted by debbiejo
He's in the "Are you afraid of Dieing" Thread in the GF now...........He's a preacher!! 😑

kind of a one track mind on that one

he spends a lot of time on the "i'm afraid of dying" thread here

Marxman Resident Communist

Re: Re: Re: Re: Atheism

Originally posted by lord xyz
God isn't his creator, God doesn't exist. Jesus isn't his saviour by the fact that Jesus was a man who died nearly 2000 years ago. How a man who died way before Up In Flames was born could save Up In Flames, I don't know.

Like I said. Don't mock his religion. Debating and mocking are on two different ends of the spectrum. You can show him he's wrong without being an elitist.

When you mock his religion you're simply lowering yourself to the level of a religiously blind Christian. When a Christian says "Because the Bible says so" or something to that effect it is the same as you saying "Prove there is a God" when we all know that faith isn't based on proof.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Well the only atheist I've seen who misses the point of a thread and attacks Christianity instead is Lord Urizen. Although, his form of atheism is a lot different to everyone else here's form of atheism.

This is what I was trying to say before. Asking for proof of the unprovable is missing the point and trying to end the argument in your favor, instead of logically debating the topic.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Why do we live in a sinful world and who made it sinful.

Obviously, we (as in humans) did. No one particular sect of humans did. There is evil with them all.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I don't understand. There are too many flaws here but one thing is certain, good and evil are not abcolutes, they are opinion.

I wasn't implying that good and evil are absolute. I know that it is all perspective. I see drugs as good, while others see them as an atrocity. All I'm trying to say is that there is no such thing as "evil". Its a lack of virtue. If your virtue is to preserve life than killing would be a lack of that virtue and thus be evil.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I wanted to see his reaction when he sees I don't know what God is...but you spoilt it.

Oops. Sorry 😛

Originally posted by lord xyz
THe fact that it's made up? The fact that it's as real as Goblins and Harry Potter? Or the fact that there is no evidence to suggest it.
I am not saying God is absolute false, that would be obsurd. But I like to believe in facts, not fiction, and until it is a fact, I won't believe in it.

More examples, in case you wanted more. 😉

Originally posted by lord xyz
And what did Jesus say? The Bible has been changed so much it's almost impossible to know. For all you know Jesus could of hated white people and say being white is a sin.

True but that's why there is interpretation. And that's why there is so many different religions and branches of religious. Just for the record I'm not debating you right now because I'm a Christian. I just don't like being quiet when I see fault in arguments.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Yes I know.But you misread what I posted. The two questions were targeted at the satan bit to show how unclear he's being, as if we're supposed to know we are "evil" or something. The statement after was directed at all of his post to show that again, he is speaking in tongues and making little sense.

Ok. Agreed.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I did. I;m asking him what are we supposed to accept, we are evil, we work for the enemy, we need more help than christians (which may I add is incredibly arrogant), seriously, I don't understand his post but a total whine at people not believing what he believes.

No no. I think he meant that you deserve salvation. You just need to accept it, ie become Christian. 🙄

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

Originally posted by Marxman

No no. I think he meant that you deserve salvation. You just need to accept it, ie become Christian. 🙄

but if we get salvation either way why must we change our beliefs from what we believe to be true?

Nellinator Crazy Canuck

We don't get salvation either way. Salvation is freely offered, but it only applies if you accept it.
If someone offers you a cookie and you don't take it you don't get the cookie.

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

I choose to believe that if there is a god it is omnibenevolent and willing to accept the fault of "imperfect" creatures