Atheism

Originally posted by Marxman
And am I the only one who thought deb's post was really thought provoking? especially with this discussion.

Originally posted by Marxman
His actions were religiously driven. They were mainly racially driven but if he hadn't killed more than just Jews I would agree with you. However, when you kill Jews, Catholics, Gypsies, Communists, Gays, and so on it becomes apparent that he is simply exterminating anybody different. That includes race, color, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, political ideals, etc.

And to go on with the point you tried to make, Stalin's killings weren't inspired by religion either. They were politically driven, those you opposed were executed.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
there's this really interesting book by Hitler called Mein Campf

according to it his religion did inspire his genocide

Originally posted by Regret
Atheism and Theism are direct opposites. A person that is an atheist is not the direct opposite of a person that is a theist. Neither are many Christian beliefs opposite of an atheist's position. The atheists that I know believe people should be good, unless something has changed, Christians believe this as well.

Same argument from an even more stupid position:

Thus, using your argument, all whites are evil genocidal maniacs, and all blacks are peace loving well spoken men of worth, the opposite of the other. People are people, we're all basically the same, very few are direct opposites.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I don't remember Hitler killing Catholics..

He did. Maybe not on a massive scale like the Jews but Catholics were also killed. It might have been simply because they were trying to help the Jews, I don't know.

ooooohhhhhh Hitler killed everybody.....

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
And this coming from you? You are one of the people on this forums who generalise the most.
You simply have no place to talk.

Did I ever say all Christians were evil people ?

No

Did I ever say all Christians are stupid ? As a fact?

No

Did I ever say Atheists are somehow better than Christians ?

No

Did I ever say Jesus Christ was a great man ?

Yes

Did I ever say I know Christians who happen to be great people ?

Yes

Did I ever say my family and best freinds happen to be Christian ?

Yes

Have I ever critisized other groups of people besides Christians, you know like Jews, Muslims, Gays, Liberals, Bisexuals, etc.

Yes

I have critisized Islam just as much as I have critisized Christianity, and I have spoken out against Gay Media, against much of Gay Liberalism myself even though I am a Liberal Bisexual man.....hmmm......

And you accuse me of Targetting Christians ?

Get real Lil B..... 👇

Any threads I made that make fun of Christianity (for example: Jesus is Inside me, Religish, Do You Beleive in the Holy Orgasm, etc) is just my usual trolling and should not be taken seriously.

Threads such as "Why did God create Hell" are valid and reasonable threads which attack a concept I rather strongly dislike: Hell. I do not see in any way, shape, or form how attacking the idea of Hell insults or bashes Christian people.

Smiter makes fun of Christianity ALLL THE FKN TIME...and he's a Christian. Is he bashing ?

I make fun of Gay people alll the fkn time, i MAKE FUN OF MYSELF more than I make fun of anyone else...so am I bashing myself ? 🙄

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I have done some merging recently and I went through some of your threads. Not one of those threads have any purpose other than trash Christians. All Christians are this and this, Christianity is this and this, and everyone else is stupid if they believe in Jesus.
There is no discussion, no thought provoking material, nothing.

Simply Untrue....If you look at all my threads, I do condone Jesus Christ as a good person, and I mention how I admire Christians such as Mother Teresa, etc.

You either are blind to this, or you choose to pay attention to the threads which make it easier for you to dislike me/and or my arguments.

I also question and critisize the mythology of Christianity, very often, but since many Christians tend to be rather sensitive about their beleifs, it becomes a "you're going to Hell", "no im not" fest.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Either way, I have an extremely low opinion of modern atheists. Much like when you hear word ''Christian'' you have a pre conception, when I hear word ''Atheist'', I have preconceptions.

Hypocrite 👇

Then you get mad at me for generalizing ? 🙄

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Even though I do not believe in a Deity of Abahamic explanation I will refuse to be called an Atheist.

Being labelled an Atheist shouldn't bother you any more than someone labelling me a Conservative, or someone labelling me a Homosexual.

There is nothing wrong with being an Atheist, there is nothing wrong with being a Christian, there is nothing wrong with being a Homosexual, etc.etc.etc.

It's when you use your identity or beleif system as a means/excuse to hurt other people that it becomes negative.

Originally posted by Marxman
He did. Maybe not on a massive scale like the Jews but Catholics were also killed. It might have been simply because they were trying to help the Jews, I don't know.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I must say, this is news to me. I heard about the Jews, Gypsies, Gays, Slavs, and possibly Gingers, etc. but I never heard he killed Catholics.

I just dropped some knowledge on you 😉

You're welcome.

And if you'd like some proof.

Millions of other minority members also perished in the Holocaust. About 220,000 Sinti and Roma were murdered (some estimates are as high as 800,000) — between a quarter to a half of their European population. Other groups deemed by the Nazis to be "racially inferior" or "undesirable" included Poles (6 million killed, of whom 3 million were Christian, and the rest Jewish), Serbs (estimates vary between 500,000 and 1.2 million killed, mostly by Croat Ustaše), around 500,000 Bosniaks[2], Soviet military prisoners of war and civilians in occupied territories including Russians and other East Slavs, the mentally or physically disabled, homosexuals, Africans, Jehovah's Witnesses, Communists and political dissidents, trade unionists, Freemasons, Eastern Christians, and Catholic and Protestant clergy, were also persecuted and killed.

Straight outta Wiki

Originally posted by Marxman
And if you'd like some proof.

Straight outta Wiki

Hitler's ideas stem from his disbelief in God and from his full belief in the theory of evolution. The very fact that he does not accept the existence of an omnipresent, omnipotent, good, loving, merciful God deemed him an atheist.

By the way, he did have a religion, but it involved occultic beliefs rather than being God-motivated.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Did I ever say all Christians were evil people ?

No

Did I ever say all Christians are stupid ? As a fact?

No

Did I ever say Atheists are somehow better than Christians ?

No

Did I ever say Jesus Christ was a great man ?

Yes

Did I ever say I know Christians who happen to be great people ?

Yes

Did I ever say my family and best freinds happen to be Christian ?

Yes

Have I ever critisized other groups of people besides Christians, you know like Jews, Muslims, Gays, Liberals, Bisexuals, etc.

Yes

I have critisized Islam just as much as I have critisized Christianity, and I have spoken out against Gay Media, against much of Gay Liberalism myself even though I am a Liberal Bisexual man.....hmmm......

And you accuse me of [b]Targetting Christians ?

Get real Lil B..... 👇

Any threads I made that make fun of Christianity (for example: Jesus is Inside me, Religish, Do You Beleive in the Holy Orgasm, etc) is just my usual trolling and should not be taken seriously.

Threads such as "Why did God create Hell" are valid and reasonable threads which attack a concept I rather strongly dislike: Hell. I do not see in any way, shape, or form how attacking the idea of Hell insults or bashes Christian people.

Smiter makes fun of Christianity ALLL THE FKN TIME...and he's a Christian. Is he bashing ?

I make fun of Gay people alll the fkn time, i MAKE FUN OF MYSELF more than I make fun of anyone else...so am I bashing myself ? 🙄

Simply Untrue....If you look at all my threads, I do condone Jesus Christ as a good person, and I mention how I admire Christians such as Mother Teresa, etc.

You either are blind to this, or you choose to pay attention to the threads which make it easier for you to dislike me/and or my arguments.

I also question and critisize the mythology of Christianity, very often, but since many Christians tend to be rather sensitive about their beleifs, it becomes a "you're going to Hell", "no im not" fest.

Hypocrite 👇

Then you get mad at me for generalizing ? 🙄

Being labelled an Atheist shouldn't bother you any more than someone labelling me a Conservative, or someone labelling me a Homosexual.

There is nothing wrong with being an Atheist, there is nothing wrong with being a Christian, there is nothing wrong with being a Homosexual, etc.etc.etc.

It's when you use your identity or beleif system as a means/excuse to hurt other people that it becomes negative. [/B]

While I still disagree with your opinion, I must say you're not as irrational or idiotic as lord xyz

Here's an article about one of the great men from the recent century:

www.aabibliography.com/oxfordsteps.html

Note how his beliefs and opinions were directed by God's intervention.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Hitler's ideas stem from his disbelief in God and from his full belief in the theory of evolution. The very fact that he does not accept the existence of an omnipresent, omnipotent, good, loving, merciful God deemed him an atheist.

By the way, he did have a religion, but it involved occultic beliefs rather than being God-motivated.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
While I still disagree with your opinion, I must say you're not as irrational or idiotic as lord xyz

Don't you have anything to say about the Frank Buchman article?

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Don't you have anything to say about the Frank Buchman article?

1. I can't be bothered
2. I shouldn't bother since it's religious propoganda
3. You wouldn't listen to my responce
4. It's unbeneficial and a total waste of my time
5. I have better things to do

Here's an article concerning Hitler's views:

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/kampf.htm

If you believe that to be the thinking of a Christian, you are gravely mistaken.

Oh, I'm listening to your responses, and they're totally off-topic and arrogant.

You aren't serious at all with this matter.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Oh, I'm listening to your responses, and they're totally off-topic and arrogant.

You aren't serious at all with this matter.

Originally posted by Up In Flames
Here's an article concerning Hitler's views:

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/kampf.htm

If you believe that to be the thinking of a Christian, you are gravely mistaken.

NO.

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" Please show me evidence where Hitler says he didn't believe in God and where he believed in Evolution." Is very off topic isn't it?
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The very idea that Hitler believed the aryan race to be the dominant of all races clearly shows that he believed them to be the more evolved race of humans. He also stated in the Olympic games (the year Germany hosted it when Hitler was in power), "It is unfair that my athletes have to compete against this animal", after a black american won one of the track events. It fully signifies that according to his beliefs, black-skinned people have not fully evolved from the animal he thinks humans used to be: monkeys.

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I must ask, what has Hitler got to do with Atheism? Does Hitler preach atheism? Do atheist learn about Hitler like he's a prophet or something?
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He spread his idea that the aryan race were not just the more dominant in the world, but universally as a whole. This shows that he didnt believe in a higher being (God), and this belief deemed him an atheist. Of course, he wasnt concerned with saying "I am an atheist" since he was too busy with hatred and mass murder.

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[Quote] must ask, what has Hitler got to do with Atheism?[/quote.]........You are right...........He was A Christian man..........

Hitler a Christian? Stop fooling yourself...