Darth Revan vs Darth Bane

AC, the Sith'ari was prophesied as being a 'perfect being', 'the ultimate Sith', and an 'almost immortal being'. Now the fact that Kopecz believed that Bane might be the sith'ari, before he had ever been trained and after only seeing him in person once speaks volumes.

Now prove that he was actually the Sith'ari, with a definite quote saying it, Revan could actually be it it as the KOTOR story seemed to imply (the fact that it was even brought up in the game with no actual relevance to Bane) Revan destroyed the Sith and in turn made them stronger, And really who cares what some fat ass (Kopecz) thinks is he the leading historian on the Sith? No. Do they live in a time when legends of old and stories run rampant? Yes. Do they live in a time where anyone young and remotely strong = OMG Liek Sith'ari!!!! Yes (see Sirak, the bum who couldn't even produce more then a bolt of Force Lightning) Oh course Bane is gonna look like a god surrounded by so much shit.

Anyways, so the Sith'ari is a prophesied perfect being...does that mean it will happen? No. The chosen one was a prophesied god of the force literally, did that happen...not quite...And the original Sith'Ari King Adas was no perfect being either.

Anything describing Revan's power as blinding or whatnot is simply hyperbole, until we can actually get some concrete info on the guy, we can't deduce him s being above a guy who can play ping pong with moons. Sure, we can deduce that he's very powerful, but not as powerful as Bane, to argue that is pure fanboyism.

According to whom? How is it hyperbole? It wasn't exaggerated the damn force ghost of Ajunta Pal was literally blinded by Revans sheer power. Especially when pretty much EVERYONE in KOTOR says the same thing.

Take Sea Shells dick out your mouth, the guy NUDGED a moon, he didn't take the moon for a spin and ride around the universe, and you can't quantify the feat, so its highly likely that mostly every one who is stronger then him, Revan, Sidious, Yoda, Luke, Exar Kun, ect ect could do the same. The fact is THEY DON'T HAVE TO.

FEAT WARS/10

And Revan and Bane both picked their names, so I really don't see where you're going with your second point here.. But I suppose because Revan's name is so damn cool, he automatically gets brownie points.

Wow you are a dipshit aren't you? Rhetorical question. Revan doesn't mean power, Revan actually means the "to return" but thats irrelevant, the POINT was Kreia said "Revan was power" hence "Revans name was synonymous with power."

Yes you are a rtard, and wipe Banes but off your lips.

But seriously man I don't see where the rampant fanboyism for Bane comes from, he quite possibly the most visually (Before the Sea Shells) bland character out of the Sith, he's a big bald guy, are you into skin heads or generic wrestlers? At least with Revan you can make the character you, with Yoda he's you know a green pimp, with Vader he's a oreo literally, Exar Kun has a pony tail, And pretty much every other character has something going for them, I don't see his appeal.

And before PoD, story wise he was even blander, he was an angry Sith Lord who killed kids for no reason, then in BOTS he was a pussy scared of ghosts.

I don't see how this guy inspires so many retarded fanboys.

**** it, I just had a major big argument ready to post, and my damn IE stopped fecking responding, so I'll reply to a few of your points.

Take Sea Shells dick out your mouth, the guy NUDGED a moon, he didn't take the moon for a spin and ride around the universe, and you can't quantify the feat, so its highly likely that mostly every one who is stronger then him, Revan, Sidious, Yoda, Luke, Exar Kun, ect ect could do the same. The fact is THEY DON'T HAVE TO.

You can't quantify half the crap that you come up with. In fact, just go and try quantifying anything Revan has done. The fact is, this is a fricking moon we're talking about, the kind of raw power required to move something of that mass is beyond anything anyone else has done, with the exception of Luke, Palpatine, and Nihilus.

Now your argument is very ridiculous, and the reason why is you're using the fact that before it was proven that Bane pulled a moon out of orbit, these people were considered greater than he was, yet now that it's been proven, you're using conclusions of arguments that were made with incomplete evidence to downplay the feat, which is fallacious beyond belief. It's something you do a lot, in most of your other essay long arguments that I can never be bothered to respond to.

You can't quantify half the crap that you come up with. In fact, just go and try quantifying anything Revan has done. The fact is, this is a fricking moon we're talking about, the kind of raw power required to move something of that mass is beyond anything anyone else has done, with the exception of Luke, Palpatine, and Nihilus.

Translation: I can't debate worth a shit, so instead of actual proving your points wrong I'm gonna whine, and hype up my lover instead.

Size Matters Not, Quantify it. Im still waiting for you to, every thing I've listed for Revan has been quantified, and has reasoning behind why I even posted it, and it has comparisons to others. Thats a well placed argument, yours isn't. Quantify it. Till you do that, and prove that others who are stronger can't, its not really that impressive. Feat Wars wont save your sorry ass debating skills.

Now your argument is very ridiculous, and the reason why is you're using the fact that before it was proven that Bane pulled a moon out of orbit, these people were considered greater than he was, yet now that it's been proven, you're using conclusions of arguments that were made with incomplete evidence to downplay the feat, which is fallacious beyond belief. It's something you do a lot, in most of your other essay long arguments that I can never be bothered to respond to.

Dude I don't care what you respond to, its not like I take you serious anyways. these people are and were still stronger then him regardless of the feat, you sucking his balls won't change that. I've already disprove any argument that would support Bane, He'd likely kill himself or Revan would shove his saber through his face mask. I find it very funny how you can call Revan an unknown when I can produce a page's worth of VALID feats and quotes. While with Bane your arguments ranges around "OMG he NuGeddas a MOOOOOnnn!!!!"

Again wipe Banes cum off your chin.

There are only two candidates for Sith'ari, and Bane fits the sith'ari perfectly. Moreso than Revan even. You see, Revan destroyed the sith and accidentally made them more powerful, not to mention he went back to the light side, so there is NO way he can be the sith'ari. I don't know where people get the idea that the sith'ari is a perfect being, that's the chosen one. Anyways, Bane destroyed the sith completely and made them invincible as a result, so he is the sith'ari.

No offense but I really don't care about the Sith'ari crap, it has no relevance in this debate, Bane was not a perfect being...far from it.

Size Matters Not, Quantify it. Im still waiting for you to

I love how people love to echo Yoda's cryptic words whenever they want to downplay a great usage of TK, but the point is, weight (size is a bad variable to use, I'll use weight instead) does matter in regards to TK, it affects how much force is needed to lift something, arguing against this is arguing against logic, and unless you want to argue that a jedi padawan could pick up a house as easily he could a boulder, you have no argument.

And please, it's nice how you and Lightsnake try to disregard the argument of Bane nudging a moon out of orbit, when you both get boners over Yoda lifting up a mountain with the force, when that itself is no more quantify-able than Bane pulling the moon out of orbit.

I love how people love to echo Yoda's cryptic words whenever they want to downplay a great usage of TK, but the point is, weight (size is a bad variable to use, I'll use weight instead) does matter in regards to TK, it affects how much force is needed to lift something, arguing against this is arguing against logic, and unless you want to argue that a jedi padawan could pick up a house as easily he could a boulder, you have no argument.

Yeah, if the Padawan was strong enough in the force and had the mental discipline to know that size and weight is irrelevant in the force, Luke says the same thing when he effortlessly destroys an AT AT in Dark Empire, Size Matters Not. And we have proof of beings stronger then Bane (Yoda, Sidious, Luke, Exar, Revan, Jacen ect ect) who could mimic it, if they had to, the fact is, no one ever needs to move a planet.

And please, it's nice how you and Lightsnake try to disregard the argument of Bane nudging a moon out of orbit, when you both get boners over Yoda lifting up a mountain with the force, when that itself is no more quantify-able than Bane pulling the moon out of orbit.

Actually LS is the only one who tries to match feats with you, I personally deem it as a waste of time, because the said character is CONFIRMED stronger then Bane. So its pointless.

Not that this is(Yoda) all irrelevant misdirection on your part since you can't quantify the feat and you can't prove Bane > Revan. Nice try though little guy.

Yeah, if the Padawan was strong enough in the force and had the mental discipline to know that size and weight is irrelevant in the force. Luke says the same thing when he effortlessly destroys an AT AT in Dark Empire, Size Matters Not.

Bullshit! Why is it that Luke struggles applying TK to a Dovin Basel (sp?) in Vector Prime, yet is effortlessly able to pick up a tiny remote droid with the force in Betrayal, then? Dude, this argument has been proven wrong again and again, relying on cryptic quotes to try and downplay Bane is ridiculous.

And we have proof of beings stronger then Bane (Yoda, Sidious, Luke, Exar, Revan, Jacen ect ect) who could mimic it, if they had to, the fact is, no one ever needs to move a planet.

Again, your argument is very ridiculous, and the reason why is you're using the fact that before it was proven that Bane pulled a moon out of orbit, these people were considered greater than he was, yet now that it's been proven, you're using conclusions of arguments that were made with incomplete evidence to downplay the feat, which is fallacious beyond belief.

How about trying to prove that any of those with the exception of Yoda or Sidious are greater than Bane?

Actually LS is the only one who tries to match feats with you, I personally deem it as a waste of time, because the said character is CONFIRMED stronger then Bane. So its pointless.

No, he hasn't been confirmed to be stronger than Bane, the only arguments supporting that were the NEC and DSSB ones, and I've disproven both of them.

Not that this is(Yoda) all irrelevant misdirection on your part since you can't quantify the feat and you can't prove Bane > Revan. Nice try though little guy.

You can't quantify anything for Revan, so by your logic, all of his feats should just be ignored, yes? Now you can whine all you want about already quantifying it, but you haven't. But I'm sure you'll persist in saying that you have, so how about this, post one of Revan's feats right here, and quantify it!

Originally posted by Sexyback
[B]Bullshit! Why is it that Luke struggles applying TK to a Dovin Basel (sp?) in Vector Prime, yet is effortlessly able to pick up a tiny remote droid with the force in Betrayal, then? Dude, this argument has been proven wrong again and again, relying on cryptic quotes to try and downplay Bane is ridiculous.

See had Vector Prime not been a Zhan book where he was attempting to down play Lukes abilites, and had you not been using two different books with different views on how the force should be handled you'd have a point. And I'm still waiting for you to quantify the feat.

[QUOTE]Again, your argument is very ridiculous, and the reason why is you're using the fact that before it was proven that Bane pulled a moon out of orbit, these people were considered greater than he was, yet now that it's been proven, you're using conclusions of arguments that were made with incomplete evidence to downplay the feat, which is fallacious beyond belief.

How about trying to prove that any of those with the exception of Yoda or Sidious are greater than Bane?

Post KOTOR Revan > Sea Shells

Revan has a stronger force connection:

Revan's connection is constantly being described as uber to the maxX7 Right Guard power band. Mater Dorak and Vandar said that Revan has one of the strongest connections to the force they've ever seen. His name is synonymous with power. He was called the heart of the force. Ajunta Pal when he looked upon Revan described the power he saw as "blinding". You could literally SEE the force swirling around Revan as Jolee said.

He was so powerful in the force not even the combined efforts of the Jedi council could keep his mind suppressed. Revan had such control and power in the force that he literally ripped an entire dialect system out of an entire species head, the proceeded to "force" Basic into the whole races minds. If he could toy with the minds of force sensitives (The Rataka Elders) so easily he could apply the same thing to destroying the brain. The Chronicles describe his dark side power as tremendous.

Darth Bane himself, literally crapped his pants in fear of the shit Revan knew, He himself was scared of the dark power and rituals Revan had under his command as a Dark Lord, he even said he wouldn't DARE ATTEMPT half the things Revan knew.

Vandar describes him as a prodigy, he had more knowledge of the Force then Bane could ever dream of:

Unbeknownst to the Jedi Order, DARTH REVAN has discovered numerous Sith artifacts and holocrons, all stored in great tomb-like cities buried beneath Malachor V's surface. As Revan plundered these tombs and relics, he fell deeper into the Dark Side. He learned of the location and the true nature of Korriban, he learned of the location of other Sith artifacts, and he learned how those strong in the light side of the Force could be seduced and made to see the strength inherent in the Sith teachings.

Revan knew he had discovered more than a staging area for the Mandalorian War - he had discovered an ancient, planet-sized Sith storehouse of knowledge. He had discovered a world that held one purpose - to teach and train others in the ways of the Sith - The Chronicles

Revan was the strongest Sith in an order of hundreds, in turn he was the strongest Jedi in an order of hundreds

He soon discovers the shadowy Malachor V, a planet listed by Mandalorian scholars as "forbidden" to step foot on. The reason for this soon becomes clear as Revan is almost devoured by primal Sith forces on the world's surface. Revan's will allows him to feed on (and not be consumed by) the power of the dark side.

He overpowered and feed on a planet drenched in the dark side a planet so powerful it broke Kreia:

she travels to Malachor V, but is unable to shield her emotions, and is completely consumed by the dark side of the Force. - The Chronicles

Revan according to Brianna (The Handmaiden) had the most powerful Battle Precognition the Galaxy had seen to that point, more powerful then the strongest of the Echani who could see MONTHS into the future and see battles before they even happened.

Then we have the fact that in Path of Destruction Revan is mentioned along side Exar Kun and Naga Sadow (they had no idea his feats were done by Amulet and ship) as the most power Sith, He is what Bane strives to be like.

Revan has beaten Malak on the Star Forge twice while he was being described by the databank as near invincible, and subsequently beat your girl the "force juggernaut" Bastila WHILE she was being pumped by the Star Foge FOUR TIMES. He beat Uthar Wynn and Yuthura, destroyed the Academy on Korriban. And he must have been physically extremely strong as well since he beat Madalore in hand to hand combat according to NEC.

He was also described as stronger as a Jedi then his tenure as Dark Lord (the version Bane pissed his pants over) then he REGAINS his knowledge from his run as a DOTS thus doubling his power.

To beat Revan, Bane would have to:

1. Concentrate on all of Revans movements with 100% focus (He himself states that if he hadn't have been focusing 100% on Kas'im's movements he'd be torn to ribbons, and Revan is most certainly a foe that you'd need 100% focus on to not be ass raped.

2. While at the same time he's focusing on Revans movements, he'd have to use the Dark Side to fuel himself

3. While using the Dark Side to fuel himself, he'd need to concentrate on slowing his vital systems that might stop working because of the stupid amounts of Adrenaline being juiced into him in combination with the Dark Side speeding him up

4. While doing all of the above he'd have to "feed" the Sea Shells with Dark Side energy to sustain them on his body and keep the Adrenaline up.

The man is still HUMAN.

Bane either kills himself or Revan shoves his saber through his face mask.

Revan > Sea Shells

You were saying

See had Vector Prime not been a Zhan book where he was attempting to down play Lukes abilites, and had you not been using two different books with different views on how the force should be handled you'd have a point. And I'm still waiting for you to quantify the feat.

That's what you'd call an out-of-universe explanation, which has no relation to debates in respect to inside the SW universe.

Originally posted by Sexyback
That's what you'd call an out-of-universe explanation, which has no relation to debates in respect to inside the SW universe.

By that logic Lumiya is a match for DE Palpatine. U fail. Im still waiting for you to quantify the feat.

I haven't read the last LotF book, I have no clue what you're talking about, but that doesn't matter, anyone with common sense knows that out of universe explanations have no bearing on discussions from the perspective of inside the universe.

I'm still waiting for you to quantify 1 feat for Revan. Now quit pasting your entire argument, I don't have time to respond to the whole of it, so how about just posting 1 feat, and quantifying it.

Again by that logic Lumiya who actually put up a fight against Luke is on DE Sidious's level.

Stop being a lazy ***** and read it you can't claim I never quantified anything when you didn't even read it, dumbass. But since I'm in a good mood (Its 2007!) I will.

Revan overpowered and feed on Malachor V.

He soon discovers the shadowy Malachor V, a planet listed by Mandalorian scholars as "forbidden" to step foot on. The reason for this soon becomes clear as Revan is almost devoured by primal Sith forces on the world's surface. Revan's [B]will allows him to feed on (and not be consumed by) the power of the dark side. [/B] - The Chronicles

A planet so powerful it broke Kreia:

"she travels to Malachor V, but is unable to shield her emotions, and is completely consumed by the dark side of the Force" . - The Chronicles

This is a planet so powerful that it could overwhelm Jedi from space

"Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence." - The Chronicles

Now, since we have a comparison of what the planet could actually do to people who are strong in the force (Unlike the Bane feat which can't be substantiated because we have nothing to compare it too) we can say that Revan is inturn extremely powerful that he alone was more powerful then an ancient Sith Planet drenched in the Dark Side so powerful it broke Kreia a very powerful Jedi Master, that the planet broke and corrupted (from space!) Jedi after Jedi. We know it takes more power then a Jedi Master who can see 4000+ years into the future, who can kill masters with the flick of her hand, who can telekinetically wield 3(!) sabers in combat and have them perform on a master level at the same time. Her command of the force was awesome, and yet Revan succeeded in terms of raw power where she failed.

Quantified and Substantiated.

Originally posted by xxXAcStylesXxx
Again by that logic Lumiya who actually put up a fight against Luke is on DE Sidious's level.

Stop being a lazy ***** and read it you can't claim I never quantified anything when you didn't even read it, dumbass. But since I'm in a good mood (Its 2007!) I will.

Revan overpowered and feed on Malachor V.

He soon discovers the shadowy Malachor V, a planet listed by Mandalorian scholars as "forbidden" to step foot on. The reason for this soon becomes clear as Revan is almost devoured by primal Sith forces on the world's surface. [B]Revan's [B]will allows him to feed on (and not be consumed by) the power of the dark side. [/B] - The Chronicles

A planet so powerful it broke Kreia:

"she travels to Malachor V, but is unable to shield her emotions, and is completely consumed by the dark side of the Force" . - The Chronicles

This is a planet so powerful that it could overwhelm Jedi from space

"Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence." - The Chronicles

Now, since we have a comparison of what the planet could actually do to people who are strong in the force (Unlike the Bane feat which can't be substantiated because we have nothing to compare it too) we can say that Revan is inturn extremely powerful that he alone was more powerful then an ancient Sith Planet drenched in the Dark Side so powerful it broke Kreia a very powerful Jedi Master, that the planet broke and corrupted (from space!) Jedi after Jedi. We know it takes more power then a Jedi Master who can see 4000+ years into the future, who can kill masters with the flick of her hand, who can telekinetically wield 3(!) sabers in combat and have them perform on a master level at the same time. Her command of the force was awesome, and yet Revan succeeded in terms of raw power where she failed.

Quantified and Substantiated. [/B]

In the new year's spirit, I would say "pwned".

HAHAHAHAHAHA Could this be a tie

Revan beats bane. I mean, only his reaction to revan's knowledge says almost anything to me. Also, adrenaline can only be used in short burts, a continous use from adrenaline would kill bane in less then 30 minuts.

It's damn close but revan wins

Just how good is Revan?