Originally posted by batdude123
Death isn't beating Spectre.
I'd disagree. Can spectre be killed at all? I think so.
Can death be killed? definitely not. It's death! Death can and has banned certain individuals (mr. immortal, thanos, all the elders) from dying. it can certainly do so to itself. It's ALSO granted the ability to kill anything to certain individuals- The Rot comes to mind here.
Spectre has no way to injure or hurt "death." how does he pull out a win?
Originally posted by Space M ummy
I'd disagree. Can spectre be killed at all? I think so.Can death be killed? definitely not. It's death! Death can and has banned certain individuals (mr. immortal, thanos, all the elders) from dying. it can certainly do so to itself. It's ALSO granted the ability to kill anything to certain individuals- The Rot comes to mind here.
Spectre has no way to injure or hurt "death." how does he pull out a win?
That's like saying the Living Tribunal has no way of hurting death or injuring her in any way.
Far more powerful beings than she can certainly beat her.... and Spectre is a lot more powerful than she is.
Originally posted by batdude123
That's like saying the Living Tribunal has no way of hurting death or injuring her in any way.Far more powerful beings than she can certainly beat her.... and Spectre is a lot more powerful than she is.
The tribunal is judge, jury, and executioner of the marvel universe. Whatever it says simply IS. I have no doubt that the tribunal could override the power of death in certain circumstances, due do his role in the universe. Spectre, unfortunately does not have this ability.
but yet- the tribunal HAS been killed by thanos with the HOTU, meaning that even the tribunal is technically NOT above death completely.
Remember, Death is not just an entity- it's a concept as well. IF something can be killed, then it's subject to death's power.
It's simple. Since this fight is with MISTRESS death, and not "Things Dieing", he just needs to destroy the M-Body.
the two are one and the same. I don't think you understand- death isn't strictly male or female- it appears as it wants to. The M-body isn't it's physical form. defeating it- even if that was possible- would in NO WAY defeat death. "Things dying" in the marvel universe only occurs because death wills it- its part of death's powerset.
That's what I'm saying. Death is neither male nor female, but the Entity known as mistress Death is a M-Body fasioned in the form of a woman. It's immensly powerful, having all the powers of Death...
But Ultimatly it's a fractyl, and it can be destroyed if you pump enough energy onto it. If you destroy an M-Body, it doesn't get rid of the concept (Usualy), but Destroying that M-Body still counts as a win, since that's the incarnation that is being used.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
The tribunal is judge, jury, and executioner of the marvel universe. Whatever it says simply IS. I have no doubt that the tribunal could override the power of death in certain circumstances, due do his role in the universe. Spectre, unfortunately does not have this ability.but yet- the tribunal HAS been killed by thanos with the HOTU, meaning that even the tribunal is technically NOT above death completely.
Remember, Death is not just an entity- it's a concept as well. IF something can be killed, then it's subject to death's power.
Spectre is God's Wrath. He, essentially, has the power of God. Death... doesn't. Death is someone who was defeated by Dr. Strange. When it comes to cosmic hierarchy, she's not that impressive at all. She's below Galactus. Spectre wins this one easily.
And the only reason Thanos w/ the HOTU beat LT is because he literally had the power of TOAA.
LT sucks what great feats has he had for us lately, getting owned by reed richards, or having his powers copied by a mutant and having to get saved by a celestial, wow what a powerhouse.
Spectre seems to be able to draw on limitless power he has had to face nigh omnipatent beings and has won, he even shattered the source of all magic, he also froze hell over, he was beating heavens armies was he not sept micheal. Death cant even handle the elders she had to kick them out cause they took over, if they can do that then im thinking spectre can too, when she tried to take dr strange, he used all the power he could and she ran off.
Originally posted by batdude123
Spectre is God's Wrath. He, essentially, has the power of God. Death... doesn't. Death is someone who was defeated by Dr. Strange. When it comes to cosmic hierarchy, she's not that impressive at all. She's below Galactus. Spectre wins this one easily.And the only reason Thanos w/ the HOTU beat LT is because he literally had the power of TOAA.
Spectre is God's wrath but is NOT god/the presence itself. Without the full backing of the presence, he's only on par with eclipso who had the same role. He's been defeated before by beings FAR below "death itself."
Death DOES have rules it abides by- that is why strange was able to prevent death from taking him, but don't get confused. Strange is NOT capable of destroying death by a long shot.
Death is FAR above galactus. not only can Galactus be killed, but Galactus was unable to absorb the elders of the universe when death barred them from her realm. In fact, he nearly died from the attempt. Death > Galactus.
this particular discussion is actually quite fun.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Last Planet Standing isn't Canon. It never happened.
who were you referring to here? I didn't quote last planet standing.
Spectre seems to be able to draw on limitless power he has had to face nigh omnipatent beings and has won, he even shattered the source of all magic, he also froze hell over, he was beating heavens armies was he not sept micheal. Death cant even handle the elders she had to kick them out cause they took over, if they can do that then im thinking spectre can too, when she tried to take dr strange, he used all the power he could and she ran off.
I usually wouldnt even bother responding to this, but why not. Spectre seems to draw on limitless power, but death IS limitless by default.
If spectre shattered the source of all magic, why was there magic still around? Why was he getting into fistfights with captain marvel and shazam if he was all powerful?
Death barred the elders from her realm because death views their takeover attempt as an insult. since death views dying as a privelege ( the end of all suffering) barring a being from dying at all is far worse than killing them, in it's view. The elders did NOT "own death."
The Spectre is a piece of God. Its been proven by Hal Jordan. The Logoz. Eclipso isn't that powerful. He gets weakened by freakin sunlight.
Eclipso was retconned into a previous version of God's wrath that "didn't work out." this is why the spectre is tied to mortal hosts now.
Originally posted by King Kandy
That's what I'm saying. Death is neither male nor female, but the Entity known as mistress Death is a M-Body fasioned in the form of a woman. It's immensly powerful, having all the powers of Death...But Ultimatly it's a fractyl, and it can be destroyed if you pump enough energy onto it. If you destroy an M-Body, it doesn't get rid of the concept (Usualy), but Destroying that M-Body still counts as a win, since that's the incarnation that is being used.
Originally posted by King Kandy
That's what I'm saying. Death is neither male nor female, but the Entity known as mistress Death is a M-Body fasioned in the form of a woman. It's immensly powerful, having all the powers of Death...But Ultimatly it's a fractyl, and it can be destroyed if you pump enough energy onto it. If you destroy an M-Body, it doesn't get rid of the concept (Usualy), but Destroying that M-Body still counts as a win, since that's the incarnation that is being used.
Of course death is sexless that's why it's an "abstract" Doh. 馃檪 It's a concept lol. Co you mean fractal? What's maths got to do with it?
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