Originally posted by King Kandy
Death isn't Myltiversal, there is one Death for Each universe. Each Abstract has multiple versions in different universes.
Only in Universes which follow our Universal Laws. I don't know if you noticed the timebroker in exiles state some didn't. 馃檪
Reed has also stated something similar.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Death isn't Myltiversal, there is one Death for Each universe. Each Abstract has multiple versions in different universes.
no, each "death" in each universe is only an M-body manifestation of the TRUE death which resides elsewhere in the multiverse.
It's the way all the abstracts are.
Originally posted by pantysniffer
One with no life in it 馃檪It's that simple 馃檪
or something like the Xeelee in a timeloop where noone can die due to the loop repeating forever.
It's that simple.
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Bad argument! Earth-238 had not only no life, but no REALITY left after Roma's devices obliterated it.
The Fury was STILL able to take Jaspers there and kill him, proving that death DOES have dominion even where reality does not exist.
your timeloop example is also flawed. time repeating has nothing to do with whether or not death exists.
Also: another poster mentioned that the spear of destiny is capable of injuring and thus killing the spectre. Meaning the spectre IS indeed subject to and vulnerable to death.
in contrast, NOTHING can injure or kill death. Advantage: MU death.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Bad argument! Earth-238 had not only no life, but no REALITY left after Roma's devices obliterated it.The Fury was STILL able to take Jaspers there and kill him, proving that death DOES have dominion even where reality does not exist.
your timeloop example is also flawed. time repeating has nothing to do with whether or not death exists.
Also: another poster mentioned that the spear of destiny is capable of injuring and thus killing the spectre. Meaning the spectre IS indeed subject to and vulnerable to death.
in contrast, NOTHING can injure or kill death. Advantage: MU death.
Actually it's not a question of existing or dominion. As soon as life was brought in that Universe Death had dominion over mortal life. If it had been someone unkillable like an elder that would have been a different matter.
The timeloop doesn't stop death existing it does stop it acting.
Think carefully about it and argue the point. They are not flawed examples your interpretatioin was simply different to what was stated. That doesn't reflect badly on you, relax.
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Originally posted by Space M ummy
Until we see them go head to head, there's No evidence at all for your assertion that Mr. Mxy is "far above" MU death. MU Death has never been shown to have a limit outside of plot devices like the Infinity Gauntlet or the HOTU, both of which would totally, utterly, and completely rape Mxy.
I'd love to see MU Death destroy and create a universe. Mxy can pretty much do whatever the hell he pleases, and DOV Spectre bitched him horrendously.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
That's the thing- for the spectre to accomplish ANYTHING on the level of MU Death, he needs the backing of the presence to do it. ANYONE could win with the full backing of the presence! Ambush Bug, Aunt May...etc. The problem here is that then this becomes a "presence vs. death" fight.
When a person creates a "Spectre" thread, it's understood that he means "the Wrath of God." It's only DOV Spectre if it's specified that way, considering Spectre is not normally portrayed as being seperate from the Presence. And even DOV Spectre had feats over MU Death.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
If we're debating "the spectre" vs. Death- we're looking at Day of Vengeance Spectre going ALL OUT without calling on the power of the presence to do it- in which case he loses, as this version of spectre has no real way to fight or injure MU Death.
See above. There's no way Death is defeating any version of Spectre anyway...
Originally posted by pantysniffer
Actually it's not a question of existing or dominion. As soon as life was brought in that Universe Death had dominion over mortal life. If it had been someone unkillable like an elder that would have been a different matter.The timeloop doesn't stop death existing it does stop it acting.
Think carefully about it and argue the point. They are not flawed examples your interpretatioin was simply different to what was stated. That doesn't reflect badly on you, relax.
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re: point 1: death was shown to have dominion in a dimension where there was not only no previous life, but also no reality left. This is a zone that renders serious reality warpers like jaspers (and presumably, mxy, cube beings, the reality gem, etc) totally powerless, yet death was just as effective.
how would you test whether or not death had dominion in a dimension with no life? I could just as easily assert that a lifeless dimension is one where ONLY death exists.
the timeloop has nothing to do with death. Think of it this way. say we have a hour long timeloop in which Joe kills susan, then it resets.
Does this mean Susan never dies? no, it means that the event where susan is killed simply occurs repeatedly as time is reset. it doesn't stop the event, it simply repeats it.
Don't forget death's powerset includes not only the ability to terminate life, but ALSO to ressurrect it, and bar an individual from dying completely.
I agree, my interpretation of these examples is different than yours, but you've yet to prove yours is a superior interpretation than mine. just different. Relax, it doesn't necessarily reflect badly on you.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
re: point 1: death was shown to have dominion in a dimension where there was not only no previous life, but also no reality left. This is a zone that renders serious reality warpers like jaspers (and presumably, mxy, cube beings, the reality gem, etc) totally powerless, yet death was just as effective.how would you test whether or not death had dominion in a dimension with no life? I could just as easily assert that a lifeless dimension is one where ONLY death exists.
the timeloop has nothing to do with death. Think of it this way. say we have a hour long timeloop in which Joe kills susan, then it resets.
Does this mean Susan never dies? no, it means that the event where susan is killed simply occurs repeatedly as time is reset. it doesn't stop the event, it simply repeats it.I agree, my interpretation of these examples is different than yours, but you've yet to prove yours is a superior interpretation than mine. just different. Relax, it doesn't necessarily reflect badly on you.
Death can only exist in a dimension with mortal life, something finite has to be present. Of course a timeloop has to do with death. Death cannot get into a closed system if noone has died.
A lifeless dimension where nothing has lived has had no life therefore it cannot have any Death. Life has to have existed for death to take place.
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Relax nobody thinks you're stupid, it's cool.
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Originally posted by pantysniffer
Death can only exist in a dimension with mortal life, something finite has to be present. Of course a timeloop has to do with death. Death cannot get into a closed system if noone has died.A lifeless dimension where nothing has lived has had no life therefore it cannot have any Death. Life has to have existed for death to take place.
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Relax nobody thinks you're stupid, it's cool.
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Irrelevant in this forum battle. As spectre is present, life exists in the dimension by default. 馃檪
nice try though!
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Irrelevant in this forum battle. As spectre is present, life exists in the dimension by default. 馃檪nice try though!
No because the thread had deviated and we were discussing a dimension without death and the multiversal nature of death and you asked me what kind of Universe would not have deat. This is a different point.
It's O.K. though, it's hard to keep up sometimes.
Chill.
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