Thor Corps Vs Despero and Thanos

Originally posted by leonidas
why you sunuva . . .

😂

that's funny. an editor says it's NOT canon, and it appears in the handbook. gotta love marvel. anyway, which source do we then use as proof? the handbook of alternate earths clearly states akenahten was NOT in earth 616, and clearly states the events occured in a different universe.

2 'official' sources, and one editor -- all 3 say something different. that's pure brilliance by marvel . . .

❌

anyway, i agree with your assessment scoob -- whether it did or didn't happen, there is still no definitive proof that thanos was more powerful. and i would STILL love to see a godforce blast would do to thanos.

about antiforce -- it has always seemed to me that it could be summoned more quickly. it lacks the 'build up' of the godforce. to me it's still godforce then everything else in thor's arsenal . . . 😬

ps-despero HAS had some . . . lesser showings, btw. it is NOT out of the realm of possibility that 2 thors could take out despero, imo. which then leads to the question -- can FOUR thors ko thanos . . . 😖hifty:

Meaning Thanos is far above the previous levels where he punked Thor, Herc, etc in one fight. Seems like an even worse mismatch.

Leonidas, how high up a TP is Apoc, someone claimed he has higher than Xavier and Cable? On a related note, can surfer or other herald class guys be mind****ed?

Trickster, did Xplosive say that?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Meaning Thanos is far above the previous levels where he punked Thor, Herc, etc in one fight. Seems like an even worse mismatch.

Leonidas, how high up a TP is Apoc, someone claimed he has higher than Xavier and Cable? On a related note, can surfer or other herald class guys be mind****ed?

i'd need to see definitive proof of that claim regarding apoc and prof x or cable. he's been f'd up pretty badly in the past by stryfe . . .

aopc is a strange character though. he's written wildly different by different writers and as such he is very hard to pin down.

and yes, ss can and HAS been mind ****ed. heralds can be screwed with like anyone else if the being doing the screwing is a high enough level (dracula of all beings has f'd with ss's mind, for example, but there have been others).

regarding the power-up: galactus still dealt with him quiet easily, and THAT was after the supposed power-up as well. i still think it's too vague to say for sure one way or the other. 😬

where did that fight with the maker take place, btw? what issue of thanos?

Originally posted by leonidas
regarding the power-up: galactus still dealt with him quiet easily, and THAT was after the supposed power-up as well. i still think it's too vague to say for sure one way or the other. 😬

where did that fight with the maker take place, btw? what issue of thanos?

Yes but that IS Galactus. I'm sure that Marvel didn't intend on putting him quite that high up. He did manage to blast the shit out of Big G though, so it doesn't really contradict the power up.

true enough, but someone capable of beating the maker should have had at least a stronger showing against galactus imo . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
true enough, but someone capable of beating the maker should have had at least a stronger showing against galactus imo . . .

i agree
someone losing to squirrel girl was funny 😮‍💨

Well, like Goober said, it's Galactus. Galactus was just pissed by that blast, even if it nuked his helmet. Galactus is in the same class as Eternity at full power, you can't seriously expect Thanos to much better than he did. So how strong a telepath is Apoc? And can he stalemate Surfer, at least for a time? I know he'll probably lose, but can he hold his own or win by mind****ing him?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Well, like Goober said, it's Galactus. Galactus was just pissed by that blast, even if it nuked his helmet. Galactus is in the same class as Eternity at full power, you can't seriously expect Thanos to much better than he did. So how strong a telepath is Apoc? And can he stalemate Surfer, at least for a time? I know he'll probably lose, but can he hold his own or win by mind****ing him?

g isn't usually depicted at or even near the levels you're sttributing to him. as a cube being (a very powerful one) it's not out of the question maker would/should be in g's power-class as he's generally portrayed. i'm still not certain of the power-up. THE END was referenced in the series as well, but it seems marvel may STILL consider it non-canon. if THE END was non-canon, or perhaps inappropriately referenced, then it seems logical to me that the power-up was similarly inappropriately brought up. 😬

as for as apoc -- no he couldn't stalemate ss, mostly imo because of the speed issue. apoc HAS stalemated both loki and the high evolutionary, but HE is too slow, and loki is not at ss's level. ss's speed and versatility are too great.

could apoc **** ss's mind? i'd need to see proof of some feats of apoc's TP before i'd say that was a possibility. ss's resistance IS very great and it would take a powerful TP (or magic, imo) to use TP effectively against him.

as for the fight: i think thor and bill combined could give thanos a HELL of a fight. IF the others could beat despero, all 4 could beat thanos.

still, i'd give the majority to thanos and despero, while saying the thors could take 2-3/10.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/Thanos1HOTU.jpg

Just in case people hadn't seen that page before, thats where its stated Thanos obtained the HOTU and is from a canon book. Warlock and Thanos dicuss things they spoke about in The: End as well, so even if that story isn't canon, whatever event happened where Thanos obtained it had to be pretty much identical for all intents and purposes.

Please, who are these lunatics that think Thor is a challenge for Thanos?

i don't think anyone thinks THOR is a challenge. but multiple thors . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
g isn't usually depicted at or even near the levels you're sttributing to him. as a cube being (a very powerful one) it's not out of the question maker would/should be in g's power-class as he's generally portrayed. i'm still not certain of the power-up. THE END was referenced in the series as well, but it seems marvel may STILL consider it non-canon. if THE END was non-canon, or perhaps inappropriately referenced, then it seems logical to me that the power-up was similarly inappropriately brought up. 😬

as for as apoc -- no he couldn't stalemate ss, mostly imo because of the speed issue. apoc HAS stalemated both loki and the high evolutionary, but HE is too slow, and loki is not at ss's level. ss's speed and versatility are too great.

could apoc **** ss's mind? i'd need to see proof of some feats of apoc's TP before i'd say that was a possibility. ss's resistance IS very great and it would take a powerful TP (or magic, imo) to use TP effectively against him.

as for the fight: i think thor and bill combined could give thanos a HELL of a fight. IF the others could beat despero, all 4 could beat thanos.

still, i'd give the majority to thanos and despero, while saying the thors could take 2-3/10.

When did Apocalypse stalemate Loki ?

X-factor 50.

The duo most probably takes it. The Thor corps arent something they never encountered, really.

Originally posted by leonidas
true enough, but someone capable of beating the maker should have had at least a stronger showing against galactus imo . . .

How would the fight have turned out, if it was a fight, Galactus would have still won, but would it have been as sweet?
(he was also beating them Punishers like nothing, something Surfer has failed to do to even one...)

Now... about The: End...
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/255/thanos1p10p11hgmm1.jpg
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5682/thanos1p12hgiu9.jpg
Now, say whatever you will about The: End not being canon (although, those scans kind of show it being canon...), but it definately happened to 616 Thanos.

Woden

Given Despero's bad showings, and my new understanding of Thor, it's hard to say.

if Despero gets BFRed, they might take it, but I don't know how strong the rest of the Thor corp is. If they're all at Thor's level, they might be able to take Thanos if they fight smart.

And the mindrape question has STILL not been settled.

Didn't Loki kick Thor Corps' ass all by himself?

Originally posted by llagrok
Didn't Loki kick Thor Corps' ass all by himself?

Yes, without Thor in it. It was BRB, Dargo, and Masterson.