Darth Vader runs the Gauntlet!

Originally posted by Kadesh
infact by playing Jedi academy you will actually see later on that the lightside is indeed stronger than the dark

What does Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy have to do with strength in each respective side of the Force? Elaborate, as for your assertion to even begin to be accepted, you must provide some type of reasoning behind it - not just "play JA". Now, as for your actual point, it's...

[Lex Luthor] WRONG!!! [/Lex Luthor]

So, there's really no need to elaborate anyways. George Lucas himself has made note that the Dark side is stronger in terms of power, so how can a simple game override his words? Oh, I forgot. It can't. Unlucky for your statements.

Originally posted by George Lucas on AotC DVD Commentary
"The key part of this scene ultimately is Anakin saying "I'm not going to let this happen again." We're cementing his determination to become the most powerful Jedi. The only way you can really do that is to go to the Dark Side because the Dark Side is more powerful. If you want the ultimate power you really have to go to the stronger side which is the Dark Side, but ultimately it would be your undoing. But it's that need for power and the need for power in order to satisfy your greed to keep things and to not let go of things and to allow the natural course of life to go on, which is that things come and go, and to be able to accept the changes that happen around you and not want to keep moments forever frozen in time."

Now, as I said in a previous post regarding the established fact that the dark side is stronger, if you disregard your destiny (that you will eventually fall), then it's clear the path to power is the dark side.

Yoda is full of shit when talks to Luke or anyone else, so please do not attempt to respond with some more cryptic bullshit he spews, if you respond; which there's actually no reason to. Just for reinforcement, you're wrong.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Bastila Shan is weaker than Maul. Vader defeated Maul. And even then, Bastila's not too impressive with the lightsaber compared to Vader (taking on 8 Jedi with a month's experience) and Vader easily better with the Force. Vader will probably lose at #4, as SF Malak is as powerful as Sidious easily.

Isn't that non-canon

What do you consider non-canon Mizukage?

Alright you win but I think He'd lose at dooku

Vader defeats Dooku. Actually, I take that back. Mizukage, seeing how you registered this month, a couple of monthes we had arguably one of the biggest debates here in the VS Forum. I revived an old thread called Vader vs. Tyrannus where during the Dooku fanboy days, everybody believed Dooku can own all. I thought not, and I wanted to see who would win today, where things are less fanboyish.

The thread became the largest vs thread here, over 1000 posts. In the end, the Vada team provided better arguments and now more people here believe that Vader > Tyrannus. However, this debate will never end...

Dooku'd probably win by virtue of Force lightning. In sheer strength and power, if he did win, it'd be very difficult. Vader is 80% of Sidious. Dooku is not much more than that.

Dooku'd probably win by virtue of Force lightning.

Please, Dooku's Lightning is not even that impressive. I guess any half-ass Sith can own Vader by lightning. Vader can block with his lightsaber or perhaps do a Dissipation or something. He isn't 80% of ROTS or ROTJ Sidious for no reason.

Yeah that worked in ROTJ If Vader could of just blocked it why not take Lukes saber and dissapate it

Umm.....let's see, he had one cut off and needed to throw Sidious away from Luke. I don't he had the hand or energy to block the Lightning bombarding him.

I suppose he couldn't have simply pulled the lightsaber to him and chopped Sidious in half?

He had an arm cut off, was in pain physically and mentally, and it was more impromptu. Besides, I don't think it was that simple.

A neophyte Luke did it while he was hanging upside-down in sub-zero temperatures and boasting a gash across his face. For a Sith Lord who you say could take Dooku, it wouldn't be too hard.

Ok Yeah Uhh OT Vader will get pwned by dooku Who'd Just Hold Vader in the Air as he did Kenobi and electricute his ass

Vader's Force moves are very strong and superior to Dooku's. In the movies, we have never seen Vader go consistenly all out. When Luke hit his arm in ESB, it took Vader seconds to disarm him.

No offence, Faunus, but why are you arguing that? Vader was certainly capable of that - but he didn't do it for a reason. Dramatic necessity.

We know he'd most likely lose to a OT Kenobi going all out so plz Dooku>Vader. Dooku's lighsaber style is focused on one handed combat as a result he could hold vader off with one hand and Blast him with lightning with the other 😛

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
We know he'd most likely lose to a OT Kenobi going all out so plz Dooku>Vader. Dooku's lighsaber style is focused on one handed combat as a result he could hold vader off with one hand and Blast him with lightning with the other 😛

a.) Kenobi did go all out.

b.) Dooku's two hands aren't strong enough to fend off Vader's one. Dooku's defense got manhandled by Anakin, and Vader is physically stronger than Anakin as well. Vader'd probably break Dooku's wrist with a two hand assault like that.

Originally posted by Gideon
No offence, Faunus, but why are you arguing that? Vader was certainly capable of that - but he didn't do it for a reason. Dramatic necessity.

"He had an arm cut off, was in pain physically and mentally, and it was more impromptu. Besides, I don't think it was that simple."

Really, WTF?

Originally posted by Faunus
Because according to GK, he was somehow incapable of doing so.

"He had an arm cut off, was in pain physically and mentally, and it was more impromptu. Besides, I don't think it was that simple."

Really, WTF?

Then he's wrong. Vader probably forgot all about it, or didn't think to it. If he became Anakin Skywalker again, lol, the rationalization and tactical mind of Vader probably vanished.

Originally posted by Gideon
b.) Dooku's two hands aren't strong enough to fend off Vader's one. Dooku's defense got manhandled by Anakin, and Vader is physically stronger than Anakin as well. Vader'd probably break Dooku's wrist with a two hand assault like that.