Darth Vader runs the Gauntlet!

Originally posted by Faunus
Eh? Dooku's one hand stopped Obi-Wan's one- and Anakin's two-handed, overhead blows. The guy is a hell of a lot stronger than he's given credit for.

I know that. I'm pretty much feeling that that is Force assisted. Or an inconsistency - given that Anakin had him on the defensive throughout the latter part of their duel (manhandling his defense). So the question becomes, if he could use the Force to make himself stronger than Anakin or as strong - why didn't it help him there?

Anyways, Vader could always use the Force to augment his own strength, right? Which'd give him an advantage over Dooku - who, despite the occasional burst of incredible strength - is no where near on par with Vader's garguantuan level of physical power.

Edit: Off to a B-ball game. Ttyl Faunus.

Thank you Master Fanus plz accept me as your apprentice

Originally posted by Gideon
I know that. I'm pretty much feeling that that is Force assisted. Or an inconsistency - given that Anakin had him on the defensive throughout the latter part of their duel (manhandling his defense). So the question becomes, if he could use the Force to make himself stronger than Anakin or as strong - why didn't it help him there?

Anyways, Vader could always use the Force to augment his own strength, right? Which'd give him an advantage over Dooku - who, despite the occasional burst of incredible strength - is no where near on par with Vader's garguantuan level of physical power.

Eh? Dooku's one hand stopped Obi-Wan's one- and Anakin's two-handed, overhead blows. The guy is a hell of a lot stronger than he's given credit for

Dooku uses Form II called Makashi , which is typically a fencing form that uses a one handed attack to have better saber combat one on one. Thats not really impressive Faunus. Its how he fights.

Dooku is strong yes, he kicked Anakin in the chest several feet away. However Vader fought wild dogs bigger than lions and he lifted a bulked up Rebel Trooper and threw him away like he was nothing.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Dooku uses Form II called [B]Makashi , which is typically a fencing form that uses a one handed attack to have better saber combat one on one. Thats not really impressive Faunus. Its how he fights.[/b]

Dooku is strong yes, he kicked Anakin in the chest several feet away. However Vader fought wild dogs bigger than lions and he lifted a bulked up Rebel Trooper and threw him away like he was nothing.

This makes no sense whatsoever. How does his form have any bearing on his physical strength? It's not like he outmaneuvered the two, he blocked their strikes head on.

You wrote Dooku stopped the duo's attack one-handed. He usually fights with one hand, so he's accustomed to block lightsabers with a single hand. If you wish to show Dooku's strength, use the kick he did on Anakin.

Faunus is right. Whether he's "accustomed" or not, it means jack shit.

Just a question, which parry are you talking about Faunus? The first one when they meet Dooku's lightsaber for the first time or the second time where Dooku is between them?

Nevertheless, the point driven to show Dooku's "strength" is not very clear. The better example is when Dooku was flexible enough to Kick Anakin straight in the chest and knock him three feet away.

However, his strength is not much against Vader.

"Manhandling?" That would be in the novel, which describes an entirely different fight than what happens in the movie. The real battle has Anakin driving Dooku back, sure, but if gaining ground equates to mandhandling one's defenses, Obi-Wan got manfrigginhandled.

An exaggeration, I suppose, but the novelization is not to be completely discounted - and the obvious situation from the movie was that once Dooku had pissed Anakin off - he could not meet him strength-for-strength. Dooku got kicked off the balcony seconds after disabling Obi-Wan. From then on out, it was Anakin's ballgame. Dooku was very quickly losing ground, and after that disasterous saberlock in which he taunted him, he had no shot in hell.

And, yeah, Obi-Wan did get manhandled. I agree.

I'm not saying he could outmuscle Vader - you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who can. But he's not simply going to be crushed into submission like some other Jedi were.

Perhaps not. But I don't see him using "one handed strikes" against Vader and attacking him with Force lightning without being cleaved in half. Because, on a good day, Dooku could not physically overpower a regular Vader - and especially when Vader will also be calling on the Force to enhance his strength (at least, he is capable of doing so), I don't see the Count pulling that one off.

The list should be:

1. RotS Count Dooku.
2. Exar Kun.
3. DE Darth Sidious.
4- DL Bastilla Shan.
5- Kas'im.
6- SF Darth Malak.
7- Darth Traya.
8- PoD Darth Bane.
9- Darth Revan.

1. Darth Vader pwns him. He's leagues above him both in the force and with a saber, shouldn't take too long, a simple force crush should suffice, and that's if Vader decides against breaking him like a stick with his bare hands.

2. He'll be in perfect condition to face off against Exar, and I wouldn't say he was leagues above Exar or anything, but I would say that he is a good league above him both with the force and with the saber. He wins, after a slightly long a difficult matchup.

3. He would most likely be slightly fatigued from his fight with Exar, but he would have had a good hour to revitalise himself, he should be in perfect condition (remember how his younger and lesser self was partially able to heal himself from wounds gained from Mustafar!). And really, he faces not much more difficulty with Sidious than he did with Exar, he'll win, and it won't be too tough either.

4. Here's where Vader falls imo; Bastilla's simply too strong in the force, she'd simply just fry his ass like he was a b1tch.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Just a question, which parry are you talking about Faunus? The first one when they meet Dooku's lightsaber for the first time or the second time where Dooku is between them?

Nevertheless, the point driven to show Dooku's "strength" is not very clear. The better example is when Dooku was flexible enough to Kick Anakin straight in the chest and knock him three feet away.

However, his strength is not much against Vader.

And again, I'm not saying he can outmuscle Vader - but he's not going to be overcome by sheer strength alone.

I'm not saying he could outmuscle Vader - you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who can. But he's not simply going to be crushed into submission like some other Jedi were.

Originally posted by Gideon
An exaggeration, I suppose, but the novelization is not to be completely discounted - and the obvious situation from the movie was that once Dooku had pissed Anakin off - he could not meet him strength-for-strength.

Dooku got kicked off the balcony seconds after disabling Obi-Wan. From then on out, it was Anakin's ballgame. Dooku was very quickly losing ground, and after that disasterous saberlock in which he taunted him, he had no shot in hell.

And, yeah, Obi-Wan did get manhandled. I agree.

Perhaps not. But I don't see him using "one handed strikes" against Vader and attacking him with Force lightning without being cleaved in half.

Because, on a good day, Dooku could not physically overpower a regular Vader - and especially when Vader will also be calling on the Force to enhance his strength (at least, he is capable of doing so), I don't see the Count pulling that one off.

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Originally posted by HK69
4. Here's where Vader falls imo; Bastilla's simply too strong in the force, she'd simply just fry his ass like he was a b1tch. [/B]

LOL

Faunus, you did read the novelization right? According to the novelizationg(describing the fight and not really contradicting the movies), once Anakin fueled his anger, he became too strong for Dooku. So in essence, he lost before that final move where both of his arms were cut off. And yes Obiwan DID get manhandled, I don't know how you couldn't see that.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Faunus, you did read the novelization right?

According to the novelizationg(describing the fight and not really contradicting the movies),

So in essence, he lost before that final move where both of his arms were cut off.

And yes Obiwan DID get manhandled, I don't know how you couldn't see that.

Oh my bad, I thought you were talking about the fight with Dooku, where Obiwan got manhandled. I didn't read the whole post, my mistake. I also thought you were talking about Dooku vs. Anakin as well.

lmao, you really had me going there.

lol.. My mistake.

Vader would killl anybody that gets in his way