Chidori and Rasengan are roughly equal. To people claiming the Rasengan is stronger according to feats, I would say you need to take a second look at those feats.
First, when Jiraiya was demonstrating the power of the Rasengan to Naruto, he blow a hole through a tree. When Sasuke was practicing the chidori, he was blowing holes through mountains.
Second, the infamous water-tower feat. showing Sasuke pierce the tower, while Naruto made the back of the tower explode. This feat, contrary to popular belief, does not prove Naruto's superiority. The nature of the Chidori is to focus all chakra into a single point that can pierce through anything. To pierce is the very nature of the chidori. While, on the other hand, the Rasengan is a mass of swirling chakra that is explosive, the chakra used to form the Rasengan simply reacted to the water in the tower causing a explosive reaction. That is why Naruto was able to blow the water-tower, b/c the chakra reacted with the water inside. Sasuke was shocked b/c of two reasons. 1) He didn't know what the nature of the Rasengan was, so by appearance it looked as if it was stronger. 2) He was shocked to see that a loser like Naruto was actually on his level.
Third, if you review the fight between Naruto and Sasuke when that used their respective attacks on one another (the fight in the valley, at the beginning before lvl.2 of 1 tail). Sasuke was the first to get up before Naruto. Naruto has a naturally higher endurance lvl than Sasuke, and if the Rasengan is so much stronger than why was Sasuke the first to recover?
I believe that the nature of the two attacks differ, but are roughly the same. But, while ppl are arguing that the Rasengan is stronger according to feats that is simply not the case. If it is mere interpretation of feats, than it would appear as if the Chidori was stronger if anything. All this of course is excluding Curse Mark lvl 2 or nine tails or the Fuuton Rasen-shuriken. 😄
Originally posted by db_renji
Chidori and Rasengan are roughly equal.
I agree.
First, when Jiraiya was demonstrating the power of the Rasengan to Naruto, he blow a hole through a tree. When Sasuke was practicing the chidori, he was blowing holes through mountains.
"Holes through mountains"? I don't think so. Try "gashing" a tall rock.
Second, the infamous water-tower feat. showing Sasuke pierce the tower, while Naruto made the back of the tower explode. This feat, contrary to popular belief, does not prove Naruto's superiority. The nature of the Chidori is to focus all chakra into a single point that can pierce through anything. To pierce is the very nature of the chidori. While, on the other hand, the Rasengan is a mass of swirling chakra that is explosive,
I agree.
the chakra used to form the Rasengan simply reacted to the water in the tower causing a explosive reaction. That is why Naruto was able to blow the water-tower, b/c the chakra reacted with the water inside.
When has this ever been stated? How do you know this? I'm asking more out of pure human curiosity then disbelief.
Sasuke was shocked b/c of two reasons. 1) He didn't know what the nature of the Rasengan was, so by appearance it looked as if it was stronger. 2) He was shocked to see that a loser like Naruto was actually on his level.
I agree...
Third, if you review the fight between Naruto and Sasuke when that used their respective attacks on one another (the fight in the valley, at the beginning before lvl.2 of 1 tail). Sasuke was the first to get up before Naruto. Naruto has a naturally higher endurance lvl than Sasuke, and if the Rasengan is so much stronger than why was Sasuke the first to recover?
The strength of the Rasengan meant little if anything, as both attacks exploded, sending Naruto and Sasuke flying back. As for recovering I'm pretty sure both recovered at the same time, the writer of the cartoon just showed Sasuke getting up first (Though I could be wrong on this point. I haven't watched said episode in awhile. 🙂 )
If it is mere interpretation of feats, than it would appear as if the Chidori was stronger if anything.
How so? I seem to remember that the Chidori actually has never been sucessful and defeating an enemy. It failed against Gaara twice, and didn't kill Naruto both times, despite the fact that it managed to pierce his chest on both occasions. The Rasengan, on the other hand, one shotted Kabuto (Who was said to be as strong as Kakashi, almost.) one shotted that guy in the movie when it was in rainbow Rasengan form (Though I'm sure that that was non-cannon.) and one-shotted another baddie in the Tea Arc. Not to mention that when the 5th deflected Naruto's it literally tore a chasm into the cement ground that was so deep that Naruto fell through it (Notice, it didn't "explode" the cement, it "tore" through it.). By sheer feats the Rasengan's got the Chidori beat.
Originally posted by Blaxican
"Holes through mountains"? I don't think so. Try "gashing" a tall rock.
I may have been a little overzealous in this statement, but say it is a simple "gashing" a tall rock is a little is a understatement. It was holes blow through very dense rock formations, definitely a greater feat then a hole in the trunk of a tree.
Originally posted by Blaxican
When has this ever been stated? How do you know this? I'm asking more out of pure human curiosity then disbelief.
That was a theory based off the nature of the attack of the Rasengan. When Jiraiya was teaching the technique to Naruto, the first stage was teaching him to use chakra to swirl and maintain a ball of water. If too much chakra was applying could have an explosive effect on the water. (If I remember right, or something to this effect. Not necessarily a lethal explosion. I believe this is around ch. 150-151.)
Originally posted by Blaxican
How so? I seem to remember that the Chidori actually has never been sucessful and defeating an enemy. It failed against Gaara twice, and didn't kill Naruto both times, despite the fact that it managed to pierce his chest on both occasions. The Rasengan, on the other hand, one shotted Kabuto (Who was said to be as strong as Kakashi, almost.) one shotted that guy in the movie when it was in rainbow Rasengan form (Though I'm sure that that was non-cannon.) and one-shotted another baddie in the Tea Arc. Not to mention that when the 5th deflected Naruto's it literally tore a chasm into the cement ground that was so deep that Naruto fell through it (Notice, it didn't "explode" the cement, it "tore" through it.). By sheer feats the Rasengan's got the Chidori beat.
The chidori broke through one of Gaara's strongest shields (one of, not the strongest), the only reason Sauske didn't defeat him in that one shot was because he couldn't tell exactly where Gaara was within the shield. Later it was too late because he was then fighting a pre-incarnate of the one-tail. In all of Naruto's final training to learn the Rasengan, he was practicing the entire night on just one tree, which stood up to multiple rasengans (however, it was not a full power rasengan, but very close to its final stage). Naruto was pointblank when he hit Kabuto with the Rasengan, and Kabuto was able to reduce the damage taken down seriously with a quickly tossed together chakra shield, the Chidori would have killed Kabuto at that range, (although, again that's the jutsu's nature). Some of the other feats you listed are non-canon, so I won't address. I disagree, with the statement of the Rasengan having better feats, I guess its just our different perspectives of the feats presented, although i do see your point and respect your opinion.
Originally posted by yungz22
[B]why wont people just understand right now sasuke is stronger but eventually naruto will be better.Because there is no proof saying otherwise?
[QUOTE]TAIJUTSU😖asuke
Possibly, and if so not by much. Once naruto staretd actually trying he beat Sasuke's ass in H2H until Sasuek staretd using the Sharingan and curse seal lvl 1, then Naruto powered up to Kyuubi and started whooping Sasuke's ass again, until Sasuke upgraded to Curse seal level 2, then the match ends with the final showdown. EVERYONE pwns his shadowclones because they don't have any fighting skill. They can only perform basic attacks.
NINJUTSU😖asuke's fire manipulation can beat naruto's wind
Sicne when? I seem to remember Naruto canceling out Sasuke's fireball by simply yelling...
GENJUTSU😖asuke's sharinganThis is the only class that I think Sasuke would be superior in, as Naruto never uses Genjitsu anyways. Hell, Sakura coudl beat both in Gengitsu.
You also forgot to add:
Durability: Naruto, hands down. He can take a lot more damage then Sasuke could ever hope to take and shrug it off due to the Kyuubi.
Pure raw power: Naruto again has him beat. It's already been stated by either Jerayia or someone else important (Can't remember who, maybe Kakashi) that Naruto has one of the highest Chakara reserves ever.
Originally posted by Blaxican
Thansk for that completely irrelevent post, Dalek.
It is revelant. It's stated in Shippuden each element is stronger than the other and while Naruto's jutsu is useless against Sasuke's fire ones, its perfect for Sasuke's lightning base one. Owned. Therefore Rasengan(wind) > Chidori(lightning). Completely owned.
Rasengan takes this faster than The Doctor clevery beating up Daleks in 1940's where in episode 6 of Daleks, he compeletely kicked their metal ass.
1. burnt pancakes yo dont read the magna do you plus sasuke can beat naruto in taijutsu without the sharingan. 2.notice in valley of the wind once they really start fighting naruto is using kyubbi chakra the whole time not his own strength. 3. rasen shuriken can kill naruto if he uses it to much. 4. sasuke still hasnt used his move which oro stopped him from doing. 5. we still havent seen sasukes manip attack yet either
1. Naruto and Sasuke are pretty much the same in taijutsu just Sasuke is smarter.
2. Sasuke used his cursed seal to get faster. Naruto used kyuubi to get faster. Sharigan also let Sasuke see where Naruto was going to hit while kyuubi chakra hit Sasuke even though Sasuke could dodge.
3. I thought Rasengan Shuriken would just damage his arm and it would be unrepairable even for Tsunade's skills not kill him.
4. But is that move chidori or another move all together? It never says so that's really null in a Rasengan vs Chidori because who knows what it was. It could have been chidori or a fire move or a completely new move. Though I would like to see Chidori mixed with a fire move but that's really not relevant.
5. We haven't seen Sasuke do much after nearly killing Naruto. All we know is he's extremely faster then Naruto now and can channel his chidori to his sword. Or was faster who knows now and I'm only giving Naruto a chance to catch up after his new move training because he's the main character though I don't see how that would enhance his speed but Naruto can get stronger, faster, and better at stuff in shorter time then anybody because of Kyuubi's giving him nearly endless stamina.
To me normal Rasengan = Chidori but new Rasengan > Chidori because of the whole element thing.
sharingan doesnt enhance your power it would have been better if you had said curse seal which he doesnt seem to use as much as naruto.
dont get me wrong naruto is pretty sweet he is just not stronger than sasuke right now look how fast sasuke is now he would have killed naruto is sai wasnt there to help him