What is T-Vo?

Originally posted by marvelprince
Its a bit different. Whereas Thor has his hammer and Surfer has the power cosmic Superman already has a buttload of powers to choose from. Whats the point of him having this also other than to ensure that he'll never lose a match. No matter how powerful a foe he comes across all he has to do is use this and suddenly he's in his own little universe where he's God.

He's always been in his own little Universe where he's god. Except in his universe the dials go up higher.

Originally posted by Weyoun
That's yet to be seen post crisis, remember the events before it took place.

Why would you say that to me? It's detrimental to my sanity. 🙁

No, no, no. It's for the best if we forget about it and move on with our lives. Everyone will be happier.

Originally posted by Weyoun
He's always been in his own little Universe where he's god. Except in his universe the dials go up higher.

Exactly my point. He's already at the top of the DCU foodchain so why in the world does he need something like this?

Originally posted by marvelprince
Exactly my point. He's already at the top of the DCU foodchain so why in the world does he need something like this?

To annoy Marvel fans on forums? Perhaps.

I heard every time you say you don't believe in T-Vo a Kryptonian dies.

The problem with T-Vo is that it has been poorly defined. If they'd established anything concrete about it's capabilities/limitations, it wouldn't be viewed in such a bad light. Fanboys assume that T-Vo is pretty much without limits and a guaranteed win against ANYONE. Of course that's completely ridiculous, because if it where that powerful, someone could have used T-Vo to keep Krypton from exploding.

And I'd like to add that even though Supes has demonstrated T-Vo without having to spend a lot of Time/Concentration one it, he's NEVER reached the theta state while engaged in actual combat. He's used illusions on the fly with it, but assuming that he can reach the theta state like that is more than a bit unreasonable. I can draw a stick man with a cape in seconds, but actually trying to draw Superman would take a while.

does superman still have it?

Originally posted by db_renji
What is T-Vo?

Crap!

The only bigger piece of BS I have ever seen Superman do than, lifting an entire CONTINENT of kryptonite and throwing it into space after having his ass handed to him by 3 normal men on it not ten minutes before!

A rock of Kryptonite the size of my hand can make him fall to the ground and almost start to cry but he can throw a piece the size of Manhattan into space???
sarcasm

Originally posted by darthgoober
The problem with T-Vo is that it has been poorly defined. If they'd established anything concrete about it's capabilities/limitations, it wouldn't be viewed in such a bad light. Fanboys assume that T-Vo is pretty much without limits and a guaranteed win against ANYONE. Of course that's completely ridiculous, because if it where that powerful, someone could have used T-Vo to keep Krypton from exploding.

And I'd like to add that even though Supes has demonstrated T-Vo without having to spend a lot of Time/Concentration one it, he's NEVER reached the theta state while engaged in actual combat. He's used illusions on the fly with it, but assuming that he can reach the theta state like that is more than a bit unreasonable. I can draw a stick man with a cape in seconds, but actually trying to draw Superman would take a while.

Yes indeed however I find it interesting that folks put tons of stock in the limited showings of T-Vo then cry not enough showings for Sentry to rank his "power" levels.

Originally posted by Soleran
Yes indeed however I find it interesting that folks put tons of stock in the limited showings of T-Vo then cry not enough showings for Sentry to rank his "power" levels.

Originally posted by Entity
Crap!

The only bigger piece of BS I have ever seen Superman do than, lifting an entire CONTINENT of kryptonite and throwing it into space after having his ass handed to him by 3 normal men on it not ten minutes before!

A rock of Kryptonite the size of my hand can make him fall to the ground and almost start to cry but he can throw a piece the size of Manhattan into space???
sarcasm

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, PIS-vo is possibly the most crappy, ramdon power addition I've ever seen.

I dont think its that random.

Oooooh, so thats what it is. I'm a huge Supes fan but this is just ridiculous. But, the reason DC gave to him was probably only for the purpose of going up against Marvel cosmics in forums. Thats probably why it really hasn't been seen. I hope he doesn't have it anymore.

Originally posted by db_renji
But, the reason DC gave to him was probably only for the purpose of going up against Marvel cosmics in forums.

👆 😆

Seems worse than Iron Man getting a 'spidey sense'. 😆 QFT, renji, QFT.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The problem with T-Vo is that it has been poorly defined. If they'd established anything concrete about it's capabilities/limitations, it wouldn't be viewed in such a bad light. Fanboys assume that T-Vo is pretty much without limits and a guaranteed win against ANYONE. Of course that's completely ridiculous, because if it where that powerful, someone could have used T-Vo to keep Krypton from exploding.

And I'd like to add that even though Supes has demonstrated T-Vo without having to spend a lot of Time/Concentration one it, he's NEVER reached the theta state while engaged in actual combat. He's used illusions on the fly with it, but assuming that he can reach the theta state like that is more than a bit unreasonable. I can draw a stick man with a cape in seconds, but actually trying to draw Superman would take a while.

Against Adversary in mid battle, he pulled Torquasm-Vo on the fly when he ALLOWED Adversary to punch him as hard as he possibly could with no damage done to Superman at all. He also pulled it on the fly against Blaze as well...

The reason it took him awhile against Dominus is because he's a MAGICAL cosmic entity that was beating the shit out of Kismet, and was a universal reality warper...

The problem with Torquasm-Vo isn't the fact that it grants him a win against any other Joe, the problem with it is the fact that it's pretty much PIS wrapped up in a weird name...

Well for those time that he pulled it on the fly, how many did he show the reality warping abilities that he demonstrated against Dominus? And when was it actually explained that the only reason it took that long with Dominus is because he's a magical cosmic entity?

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well for those time that he pulled it on the fly, how many did he show the reality warping abilities that he demonstrated against Dominus? And when was it actually explained that the only reason it took that long with Dominus is because he's a magical cosmic entity?

Technically, T-Vo in and of itself IS reality warping. He's just able to use it for a variety of effects.

It was implied. They kept showcasing Dominus' power throughout Superman: King of the World like he was nigh unstoppable and omnipotent. Not even Kismet was able to stop him. Dominus punked Superman before that encounter something like 2-3 times. For T-Vo to actually take effect, he needed to concentrate against him, and yet for all the other appearances he's used it in, he's pulled it on the fly.

Originally posted by batdude123
Technically, T-Vo in and of itself IS reality warping. He's just able to use it for a variety of effects.

It was implied. They kept showcasing Dominus' power throughout Superman: King of the World like he was nigh unstoppable and omnipotent. Not even Kismet was able to stop him. Dominus punked Superman before that encounter something like 2-3 times. For T-Vo to actually take effect, he needed to concentrate against him, and yet for all the other appearances he's used it in, he's pulled it on the fly.

Originally posted by darthgoober
But it's the degree of reality warping I'm concerned with. When has it ever been shown done to the degree it was with Dominus on th fly? As I said earlier, I can draw a stick man wearing a cape in seconds, but a detailed picture of Supes would take longer.

I'm pretty sure that against Blaze he manipulated the entire battle field.

It took him long against Dominus because he's abstract-level and magical. Superman didn't say the actual reality warping took him a long time, it was the building up to the "theta state."