How do you Expect others to beleive ?

Originally posted by Alfheim
He didnt have to say anything, read between the lines and use your head. They became muslim because they knew eventually he would force them to become muslim. Why do you think Mohammed smashed the idols, is that the sign of somebody who is going to let you belive what you want in peace?

he neva forced anyone in his whole life to becom muslim and he smashed the idols coz he was purifing gods house prophet abraham buuilt it and he was a muslim

Originally posted by muslimscholar
he dident force anyone to become muslim he neva said u hav to becom muslim

They were a religious army! Do you think they took over the city for the food and the women?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Whatever religion you may be, whether it be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.

How do you honestly expect someone to beleive the same things you beleive when you have [b]no proof of your convictions to supply them with ?

Now, I notice that it tends to be Christians and Muslims who do this more so than anyone else.....claiming that we will end up in Hell for not beleiving your beleifs....

Even if you are sincere, and even if you truly beleive you are trying to save us, how do you expect us to beleive your religion when you cannot prove the validity of it ?

You really want us non-beleivers and people of other Faiths to just DROP EVERYTHING WE CURRENTLY BELEIVE, ignore everything we learned for ourselves, ignore our own impulses, knowledge, etc. and just switch to your beleif system ?

Do you anticipate any struggle ?

Do you plan to harass us until we beleive ?

I don't get it....how do you plan to convince us that we are wrong, and you are right ?

Be a bit Realistic...

You can preach to us to death, but if you cannot supply proof for your beleifs, then how do you truly expect the rest of us to just follow ? [/B]

I don't expect anyone to believe in the things I believe, period. Having a belief involves having faith. Having faith entails making a choice to believe in something or not. The answer lies within each person. 😉

Originally posted by BobbyD
I don't expect anyone to believe in the things I believe, period. Having a belief involves having faith. Having faith entails making a choice to believe in something or not. The answer lies within each person. 😉

Nice answer but he wasn't adressing people like you.

He was talking to people like marchello, JIA, supdue etc etc

Oh, sorry. I thought it was rhetorical....open for everyone.

technically yes it is but Urizen was trying to get an answer from people who have been trying to convert the boards

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
technically yes it is but Urizen was trying to get an answer from people who have been trying to convert the boards

My response is: to each their own. 😉

I agree with you're position

Nonetheless, prepare to be disillusioned the moment marchello or supdude declares you a child of Satan and a threat to morality

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I agree with you're position

Nonetheless, prepare to be disillusioned the moment marchello or supdude declares you a child of Satan and a threat to morality

I have had conversations with both. I understand and know Marchello. He is a touch extreme. But, I have eloquently told him that while I believe both of us to be Christian, that he and I agree to disagree on some things.

Supdude and I seem to agree on some things also.

And, who is to say that either is not right? That's why I say to each their own.

I say tomato. You say to-mah-toe. 😉

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They were a religious army! Do you think they took over the city for the food and the women?

is that what all yous care about women everywhere u talk its about women?

Originally posted by BobbyD
I don't expect anyone to believe in the things I believe, period. Having a belief involves having faith. Having faith entails making a choice to believe in something or not. The answer lies within each person. 😉

Then you are sensible, and the problem addressed in this thread is not your own.

This thread is specifically directed at people who preach (JIA, Marcello, Muslimscholar, Punker69, etc.)

People like you, Regret, and Nellinator who do not expect people to just drop thier beleifs do not need to justify your exchange of Faith.

But any and all input is welcome, thank you.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Oh, sorry. I thought it was rhetorical....open for everyone.

Originally posted by BobbyD
technically yes it is but Urizen was trying to get an answer from people who have been trying to convert the boards

He answered your question for me, thanks.

Originally posted by BobbyD
I agree with you're position. Nonetheless, prepare to be disillusioned the moment marchello or supdude declares you a child of Satan and a threat to morality

And that is where the preaching turns into attacking. It is one thing to disregard another's beleifs as myth...it's an entirely different thing to accuse someone of being flat out evil.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Then you are sensible, and the problem addressed in this thread is not your own.

This thread is specifically directed at people who preach (JIA, Marcello, Muslimscholar, Punker69, etc.)

People like you, Regret, and Nellinator who do not expect people to just drop thier beleifs do not need to justify your exchange of Faith.

But any and all input is welcome, thank you.

i dont care if u belive or not i am saving my self because god will ask why did u not tell them about my religon so evan if i hav got loads of good deeds i could go to hell every muslim has to spread the word of god if people belive or not belive thats their problem a muslim just has to tell them

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Then you are sensible, and the problem addressed in this thread is not your own.

But the risk I/we could be wrong. That's the scary part.

Originally posted by muslimscholar
i dont care if u belive or not i am saving my self because god will ask why did u not tell them about my religon so evan if i hav got loads of good deeds i could go to hell every muslim has to spread the word of god if people belive or not belive thats their problem a muslim just has to tell them

So your mission as a Muslim is to spread the word, and try to alleviate ignorance. Sounds reasonable to me 👆

But at least you acknowledge that you do not just expect us to beleive without proof.....true ?

Can you blame or condemn someone for not beleiving what you preach ? I think that is the better question for me to ask.

Originally posted by muslimscholar
is that what all yous care about women everywhere u talk its about women?

a) so you're saying it wasn't about the women or food and they were trying to convert the city?
b) I would invade a city for good food but not for women (I can barely stand to shake a person's hand let alone have any sort of sexual or other relationship)

Originally posted by BobbyD
But the risk I/we could be wrong. That's the scary part.

The risks are the same as for everyone else there are thousands of denominations of Christianity alone so the odds of picking the right religion are negligible

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
He answered your question for me, thanks.

And that is where the preaching turns into attacking. It is one thing to disregard another's beleifs as myth...it's an entirely different thing to accuse someone of being flat out evil.

You responded to some things that I didn't say/post, Urizen. Please be careful as some of the posts you quoted me on do not reflect how I feel/think, nor that I said. 😐

Originally posted by BobbyD
You responded to some things that I didn't say/post, Urizen. Please be careful as some of the posts you quoted me on do not reflect how I feel/think, nor that I said. 😐

he posted my statements under your name (the quote system is hard to use)

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So your mission as a Muslim is to spread the word, and try to alleviate ignorance. Sounds reasonable to me 👆

But at least you acknowledge that you do not just expect us to beleive without proof.....true ?

Can you blame or condemn someone for not beleiving what you preach ? I think that is the better question for me to ask.

proof that Islam is true
1 the quran
2 the hadith
3 the 1billion+ Muslims in the world
4 the 20 000 Americans becoming Muslim every year

i wont condemn no one for not believing because it is their own free will

Originally posted by muslimscholar
proof that Islam is true
1 the quran
2 the hadith
3 the 1billion+ Muslims in the world
4 the 20 000 Americans becoming Muslim every year

i wont condemn no one for not believing because it is their own free will

and the proof for Christianity is

1 the bible
2 the billions of Christians in the world
3 the unbeliveable success of Christian missionaries

Its hard to prove a religion is right (Even Haruhism has 8, going on 9, texts that its followers can use)