How do you Expect others to beleive ?

Whatever religion you may be, whether it be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.

How do you honestly expect someone to beleive the same things you beleive when you have no proof of your convictions to supply them with ?

Now, I notice that it tends to be Christians and Muslims who do this more so than anyone else.....claiming that we will end up in Hell for not beleiving your beleifs....

Even if you are sincere, and even if you truly beleive you are trying to save us, how do you expect us to beleive your religion when you cannot prove the validity of it ?

You really want us non-beleivers and people of other Faiths to just DROP EVERYTHING WE CURRENTLY BELEIVE, ignore everything we learned for ourselves, ignore our own impulses, knowledge, etc. and just switch to your beleif system ?

Do you anticipate any struggle ?

Do you plan to harass us until we beleive ?

I don't get it....how do you plan to convince us that we are wrong, and you are right ?

Be a bit Realistic...

You can preach to us to death, but if you cannot supply proof for your beleifs, then how do you truly expect the rest of us to just follow ?

I suppose this is what you've really been trying to ask all this time

To answer your question as far as I understand it people of faith expect others to have the sort of revelation that they had despite the absence of proof

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I suppose this is what you've really been trying to ask all this time

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Thank You, thank you, thank you, thank you....

EVERY SINGLE argument I have EVER MADE about religion has been about this one little point.....

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
To answer your question as far as I understand it people of faith expect others to have the sort of revelation that they had despite the absence of proof

I know, but they don't realize that everyone sees the world differently. They honestly or somehow beleive that either all Atheists are blind or willfully refusing a truth they "somehow know deep down inside"

How do they explain people who have had thier Faith for years who eventually relinquish it ?

People with religious beliefs have a hope that existence follows some set of laws that result in a beneficial outcome. Religions typically claim that this hope is universal, and that those not of that faith are missing some aspects that are present in the said religion. Thus proof is irrelevant since religions are based in faith, defined eloquently in the Bible as a hope of things not seen.

Originally posted by Regret
People with religious beliefs have a hope that existence follows some set of laws that result in a beneficial outcome. Religions typically claim that this hope is universal, and that those not of that faith are missing some aspects that are present in the said religion. Thus proof is irrelevant since religions are based in faith, defined eloquently in the Bible as a hope of things not seen.

You have not actually answered my question though.....

How do you expect me to beleive what you beleive when you cannot supply me proof of the truth to your beleif ?

How do you expect me to drop my current beleifs, change my entire lifestyle, and ultamately change myself, just because you tell me i should ?

I don't know.

Some people do, however, spontaneously believe. They feel the calling. Neither of my parents became Christian until they were adults.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I don't know.

Some people do, however, spontaneously believe. They feel the calling. Neither of my parents became Christian until they were adults.

So would you say that it is more a matter of introducing Christianity thereby allowing the possibility of that person to convert ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You have not actually answered my question though.....

How do you expect me to beleive what you beleive when you cannot supply me proof of the truth to your beleif ?

I did explain this. From a religious perspective proof is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
How do you expect me to drop my current beleifs, change my entire lifestyle, and ultamately change myself, just because you tell me i should ?

Originally posted by Regret
I did explain this. From a religious perspective proof is irrelevant.

But what about from a non religious perspective ? Proof is absolutely necessary.

If your goal is to convince me that you know the truth, then you must supply me with proof, or evidense at the very least.

Otherwise, how do you honestly expect me to beleive you ?

Originally posted by Regret
I expect nothing of you. I merely believe you should have the opportunity to reject my beliefs based on an educated position as to what my beliefs are. It would be unwise for an individual to reject a proposal without being informed as to both positions.

This also entails your beleif that I will end up in Hell, because I reject your beleifs, since I do not buy them. Even though I am not genuinely convinced....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
This also entails your beleif that I will end up in Hell, because I reject your beleifs, since I do not buy them. Even though I am not genuinely convinced....

Originally posted by Regret
You are amusing.

Dude, you have no fkn idea......if you were to see one of my ammature porns, you'd go fkn nuts !

Originally posted by Regret
Whether or not you go to hell is irrelevant to a decision as to religious belief, how can some consequence you do not believe in increase the probability of you believing the religion that presents this claim?

You obviously do not get my question.... ❌

According to your beleif, If I refuse your beleif, I end up in Hell, yes or no ?

If you know i will go to Hell, and suffer, wouldn't you try your hardest to convince me that your Faith is what i should follow ?

And if so, how do you plan to do that ?

Originally posted by Regret
And by the way, my beliefs don't claim unbelievers go to Hell, something I keep telling you yet you can't seem to get past the belief that Marchello's Beliefs are representative and the end all of all Bible faiths.

So then what does "sin" matter? If there is no consequence, if my afterlife will be a good one, then why should i stop "sinning" ? And i thnk you know what i mean.....

Marcello is a shitface....i already stated that i do not judge you and other Christians by his demeanor.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You obviously do not get my question.... ❌

According to your beleif, If I refuse your beleif, I end up in Hell, yes or no ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If you know i will go to Hell, and suffer, wouldn't you try your hardest to convince me that your Faith is what i should follow ?

And if so, how do you plan to do that ?

So then what does "sin" matter? If there is no consequence, if my afterlife will be a good one, then why should i stop "sinning" ? And i thnk you know what i mean.....

Marcello is a shitface....i already stated that i do not judge you and other Christians by his demeanor.

There is no real current consequence for dropping out, the act merely impacts opportunity in the future.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Whatever religion you may be, whether it be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.

How do you honestly expect someone to beleive the same things you beleive when you have [b]no proof of your convictions to supply them with ?

Now, I notice that it tends to be Christians and Muslims who do this more so than anyone else.....claiming that we will end up in Hell for not beleiving your beleifs....

Even if you are sincere, and even if you truly beleive you are trying to save us, how do you expect us to beleive your religion when you cannot prove the validity of it ?

You really want us non-beleivers and people of other Faiths to just DROP EVERYTHING WE CURRENTLY BELEIVE, ignore everything we learned for ourselves, ignore our own impulses, knowledge, etc. and just switch to your beleif system ?

Do you anticipate any struggle ?

Do you plan to harass us until we beleive ?

I don't get it....how do you plan to convince us that we are wrong, and you are right ?

Be a bit Realistic...

You can preach to us to death, but if you cannot supply proof for your beleifs, then how do you truly expect the rest of us to just follow ? [/B]

Originally posted by Regret
Your behaviors impact your ability to progress in the future. Dropping out of school does not alter your current state, it only impacts your state in the future, the opportunities available. Advancing through a doctorate merely opens more opportunity, opportunity that is unavailable to those without that education. For Mormons, beliefs and obedience are similar to education, sin places you in a position closer to the eternal equivalent of dropping out, whereas obedience leads closer to the eternal equivalent of the doctorate.

There is no real current consequence for dropping out, the act merely impacts opportunity in the future.

So then there's no guarantee that someone will end up in Hell ? Even if they murder, steal, and rape....there's still a chance they'd end up in Heaven ?

Originally posted by Nellinator
You raise a good question Urizen. Now, I have provided evidence for my claims, however, proof escapes anything that is faith based and this is no secret. However, I hope that the things I tell you inform and help clarify things of God for you, so that if you ever need to fall back or feel compelled to search for God you have a more solid background unto fall. I preach to you to hopefully show you that Jesus did indeed die for your sins because God wants you to be Heaven with him for eternity. I don't EXPECT you to believe, but I do have HOPE that one day you will be saved because I wish the very best for you in this life and the next.

I am very happy you made this post. This is the sincerity I have been looking for. For that I thank you Nellinator 👆

I will never forget this.....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So then there's no guarantee that someone will end up in Hell ? Even if they murder, steal, and rape....there's still a chance they'd end up in Heaven ?

Originally posted by Regret
Yes, they will. Although some sins severely limit one in the eternities.

now do you know this, or do you beleive this ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I am very happy you made this post. This is the sincerity I have been looking for. For that I thank you Nellinator 👆

I will never forget this.....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
now do you know this, or do you beleive this ?

People can believe whatever they want to believe - just don't shove it down my throat.