Exar and Ulic vs. Yoda and Obi-Wan

Obi-wan's own skill was keeping him alive there. Don't start, because even Mace considers Obi-wan one of the greatest living saber masters

Kun was the strongest of the two. Why else would they name HIM Dark Lord and not say 'fight it out', since the Sith apparently were fine with death duels when power was not determined. [/B]

Kun was stronger in the force no doubt, but at that moment they were equal in saber combat.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Sure Mace does, yet your argument is still invalid because Obiwan knew every move Anakin had, which has no effect on Obiwan's overall skill.

Kun was stronger in the force no doubt, but at that moment they were equal in saber combat.

No, not for the moment, they were described as equals in saber combat with neither man being able to get an advantage.

Neither could claim an advantage because they were both sword masters. They doesn't imply constant equilibrium

And you can't use your speculation as the main proponent of your argument. They were stalemating each other so at the very LEAST, they are equal swordsmen.

No, Lightsnake's right here, a stalemate doesn't equate to pure equality.

Unfortunately for you, you can't prove which one of them were better at that time, so it's just speculation. I guess by your logic, Anakin=Obiwan, Anakin=Dooku for the first 30 seconds, Mace=Sidious for the first few minutes. Catch my drift? You can't speculate in this case because you have no proof which is better.

Sexy: Even if there is a gap in skill, it doesn't mean someone will win automatically, or at all

Ok and we're back to square one where you are supposed to prove Kun is better than Ulic at that point in time.

I think the Ancients favoring Kun is a mark there

The ancients favoring Kun has nothing to do with his saber abilities, but his mastery of the force. Since when did the ancients care about sabers and not the force? Not a very good argument.

The Ancients seemed to settle their differences with big sword duels...

The ancients seem to also crown sith lords with incredible force abilities, go figure.

I'd personally go with Ulic, he actually seemed to consistently improve his saber abiltiies from that point onwards, whereas Exar only really concentrated on sith magic.

Yoda kills Exar after a very long fight. Now, whether or not Kenobi is worse in the lightsaber against Ulic doesn't mean shit. Considering how the setting for the lightsaber contest in Mustafar, Obi-Wan can very much likely stall the duel by also doing his acrobats and lava surfing as well. Yoda can find Kenobi and help him finish Ulic.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Now, whether or not Kenobi is worse in the lightsaber against Ulic doesn't mean shit.

Obi-Wan Kenobi can't prolong fights just because the stage is set at Mustafar. There were several reasons as to why Obi-Wan could even last that long against Anakin, the main factor was that he knew him like the back of his hand (yet was still getting his ass kicked on a couple occasions).

Obi-Wan knows jack shit about Ulic Qel-Droma, if Ulic is the superior, it does matter here.

And Obi is the greatest master of Soresu, period. You forget by the same gesture, Anakin knew Obi as well

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And Obi is the greatest master of Soresu, period.

So? It doesn't mean he can make all duels on Mustafar last for nearly as long as he did with Anakin. Which was the point.

You forget by the same gesture, Anakin knew Obi as well

I don't believe I had a lapse of memory. I also don't recall me stating, or impying otherwise. But, like I said, the fact that they both knew each other that well would result in a protracted duel, no matter how you really look at it. To quote the RotS novelization:

"Blade-to-blade, they were identical. After thousands of hours in lightsaber sparring, they knew each other better than brothers, more intimately than lovers; they were complementary halves of a single warrior. "

If you think Soresu played a bigger part, I'd say you're mistaken.

As usual lightsnake, Obiwan's mastery of Soresu is irrelevant when he's facing superior saber duelists.

Well it's not really irrelevant... Did you perhaps mean insufficient?