But they're not equal. Potentially, Spawn is better than Violator, but Violator has the experience edge. Not to mention Laminator should have specified which version of Spawn he wanted. Just picking first age, Violator is still more powerful and versatile. Spawn didn't get control of all his powers until after his costume went nuts and he went to the greenworld. Violator was the one who trained all the hellspawn previous to simmons, and everyone of them ended up in hell. If Loot had specified that Spawn would have full control of his powers, or at least named an issue, then I'd be in deep shit. As is, Violator has the edge. The caps may make their power levels equal, but not their combat experience and fighting skills. Not to mention 3rd age Spawn, who had full control of his powers, got punked by Violator.
Also, Venom's cloaking ability and the spontaneous nature of the symbiote leaves me to say he is being underrated. Not to mention Sonics, despite being his weakness, aren't always effective.
Here's his camo skills in action.
Venom finding an invisible enemy.
Bullet dodging.
Finally, the coup de grace. Venom withstanding Stentor's sonic blast and laughing it off.
Charging through a sonic blaster
your doing a great job, but your team lack in power, you have no one capable of making a good fight against surfer apoc will easily go down, you are basing your victory in a TP attack against surfer, when surfer already beat stronger telepaths then apoc and he´s more fast then apoc trying to control anyone. And my big advantage here is that i´m going to keep my herald level that eill come and help my team.
in enehanced meta omega red is not a big problem, so you will have violator fighting spawn and OW, your finished.
Good scan of venom, but your forgetting, banshee can fly, venom won´t touch him.
Then like i´ve said my teleportation strategy using night and spawn is pretty good to fight your team, and the sonics will always mess you up, banshee flying around using sonics while your team fights, you won´t be able to concentrate, and some of you will fall uncounscious
altough i don´t think dracula should count as cannon, he didi break his mind control. but like i´ve said he fough superior telepaths then apoc and won. if he gives all he has, apoc goes down, and fast.
No. Violator has never worked for Mammon. That was all him. When Malebolgia went down, Violator went free-lance. The entire city-wide riot was just his own power.
Give me a break Loot. I was lucky enough to find a weakness in Surfer. And even you have to admit Surfer has a hole in his defense when it comes to telepaths. Sending images of Zenn-La dying, his loved ones (forgot her name but you know, that chick he tried to bring back from death), all of this can gleamed from his mind and used against him.
Show me Surfer shrugging off a TP attack or beating strong telepaths. I threw down the gauntlet and showed a chink in his armor. You claim he can handle it, we must have scans eiher way. If Dracula can mess him up, even for awhile, Apoc&Violator should be able to do it.
look you have done the best you could with your team, i just don´t think it works, telepathic attack from apoc messing up surfer? no way. Violator can´t help apoc because he has my team to face he is not able to use his TP on surfer and fight my team at the same time.
I gave you the speed and power advantage, before apoc can think of attacking he will be full of power cosmic attacks. and i don´t have scans, but surfer has fought telepaths, plus surfer HAS telepathy.
Originally posted by Ichigo66666
I vote for TricksterPriest, well thought out argument and good tactics.
i agreed that the arguments are good the tactics too, but i don´t think its going to work comparing the two teams.
Could you explain me why you think it would work, if i understand where i am loosing i can try to defend myself, i´m not seeing apoc taking out surfer nor the rest of my team.
Loot is bettter if you assume that its going to work and prove otherwise, that way Trickster has to find another method and you are safe from the opinions of the judges. I would be siding with Trick too, because his attack seems plausible, you need to play straight defensa against that tactic or prove its useless, assuming it wont work may get you split results.
Originally posted by Bentley
Loot is bettter if you assume that its going to work and prove otherwise, that way Trickster has to find another method and you are safe from the opinions of the judges. I would be siding with Trick too, because his attack seems plausible, you need to play straight defensa against that tactic or prove its useless, assuming it wont work may get you split results.
point taken but he hasn´t find a way of proving me wrong too. he hasn´t said how he´s going to fight being attacked by sonic waves, how violator is going to survive boths pawn and IW since omega red can easily be killed.
I have said surfer beat god-like cable and god like Cable >>>>>>> Apoc.
do i need to mention the enemies of surfer and the enemies of apoc. Apoc fights the x men, surfer fights thanos and mephisto, what do i need to prove apoc won´t win. i need a scan with him fighting apoc? i don´t have one, and don´t have the time to search for scans right now.
he gave dracula as example, so i ask if i had spiderman in my team and posted the scan where he beats firelord, how would you prove it wrong, since everybody knows firelord would murder spiderman, just like everybody knows surfer would would murder apoc.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hold up. Surfer does not have TP. I'll agree that he has resistance, but Surfer does not have his own TP.
not again, are you serious? how do you think he comunicates with everybody, he knows all the languages trough telepathy, he send a TP message to strange from space. do i need scans for this?
Considering I've posted a shit load of scans to back up Violator, Apoc, Venom and other people on my team, a few from you wouldn't hurt. Btw,
According to Long Pig, Strange was able to **** up Surfer with TP. Also, certain aspects of telepathy can be facilitated with the power cosmic, including communication. The burden of proof is on you Loot. I hate to use testimonials, as I'd rather have scans, but Surfer's TK/TP or whether he even has them is still iunder debate. Long Pig is of the opinion that Surfer is around old Emma Frost.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Considering I've posted a shit load of scans to back up Violator, Apoc, Venom and other people on my team, a few from you wouldn't hurt. Btw,According to Long Pig, Strange was able to **** up Surfer with TP. Also, certain aspects of telepathy can be facilitated with the power cosmic, including communication. The burden of proof is on you Loot. I hate to use testimonials, as I'd rather have scans, but Surfer's TK/TP or whether he even has them is still iunder debate. Long Pig is of the opinion that Surfer is around old Emma Frost.
ok then here it is do you think apoc can do better then moondragoon with the mind gem?
I should mention Moondragon is vastly overrated in terms of TP, and your comparison to god-like Cable is false because Cable wasn't trying to mindrape surfer, he was trying to reason with him. God-like Cable did not use offensive telepathy during that battle. Not to mention Apoc has higher TP feats than Moondragon.