Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hey, Stars. thanks. Guess what Loot? Violator is pure necroplasm and hell magic. ka-CHING! Not to mention Surfer has been shown to be vulnerable to magic-based TP, and I'm sure Violator can augment his TP with magic. Hell, Gambit could channel kinetic energy into Apoc to boost his power. Apoc does have energy absorbtion. And I believe absorbing kinetic energy could count as a physical superpower, which falls under molecular control. 😛
first of all, violator is not on strange level, he´s not a malebolgia, so no, there´s no way someone on violator´s level can take down surfer. plus he is limited like spawn in enhanced meta level. Guess what Spawn has also hell magic and the most powerfull hell symbiont.
And for last, its not apoc and violator vs surfer, there are more people involved, and you don´t have a force field protecting violator so he can be quiet and using TP and everybody, violator will be fighting against my team.
Yout scans of apoc don´t prove much, the fight against hulk? that wasn´t impressive, surfer beat hulk in seconds by absorbing his gamma radiation. or he can simply beat him trough power as well.
And in terms of speed you don´t want to go that way, really, apoc´s feats are no wear near surfer´s feats.
Ok, what are the big guns on Loot's team? Spawn&Surfer. I've already shown that Surfer can be taken down, albeit with difficulty. Now, do I have to post the scans of 3rd age Spawn getting his ass kicked by Violator? You guys don't give Violator nearly enough credit. And btw, Al Simmons's mind is his weakspot. Plenty of people have ****ed with him telepathically. Mammon did it, Malebolgia did it, Violator did it, Cog did it to a lesser extent, the greenworld did it (although that shouldn't count, as that was MoM). the point is, Spawn has a severe weakness to psionics. And far too many skeletons in his closet to easily deal with a psionic guilt trip or trip down memory lane. Hell, I teleport-smash Sue Richards, Omega Red can take half your team out with the death factor. Nightcrawler has teleporting, but you have to find my team first. I can surgically strike via teleporting too, and I can use telepathy from anywhere on the field to take Spawn&Surfer out of the fight. I can hide my team with magic by folding space into a small pocket dimension. As Houdini said in Spawn, most of magic is just telling it to do what you want and understanding how it works. And one thing we can all agree on, is Violator has a HUGE experience advantage over Spawn. I don't have to fight Surfer directly, thus the speedblitz is far less of a danger. The onus is, and has always been, on you to prove that my TP can't take out Surfer, and then Spawn. You might be able to prove Surfer, but you can't find anything for Spawn because there isn't any. Whatever TP he has, he has a huge weakness to mind****ing. Otherwise, why would everyone use TP against him? Answer: It works. You don't have the psi-juice to stop me.
Strange and Violator are on quite bit of a different level though...
Again I really don't see Apocalypse beating Surfer in the slightest but for this battle Trickster has had the upperhand.
My vote goes to Trickster, he strategy has been pretty solid and he has brought up points the for the most part havn't been taken down well. Good Luck with the future of the tournament.
surfer beating apoc is enough for he can take the rest of the team solo.
he didn´t counter my sounds attack, sound in antarctida will make avalanches i think i would find your team.
i can create a gigantic force field and make spawn and nightcraler bring one by one the members of his team to be defeated, violator first.
his attack is good but doesn´t make sense, psylocke attack in scoobs fight resulted because she had a quasar force field to protect her.
i still don´t understand why someone who thinks that apoc won´t beat surfer can vote on apoc, but its ok.