Right there, Surfer admit he's not sure how he did it. You proved Moondragon is not up to the task, but not that Surfer has TP or can defend against Apoc&Violator. Moondragon was trying to force him to submit, not kill him. Serious difference.
Edit: Strange whupped Moondragon with TP. He also whupped Surfer. So it is possible.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I should mention Moondragon is vastly overrated in terms of TP, and your comparison to god-like Cable is false because Cable wasn't trying to mindrape surfer, he was trying to reason with him. God-like Cable did not use offensive telepathy during that battle. Not to mention Apoc has higher TP feats than Moondragon.
but you were saying he didn´t had TP, here he is Defeating a psonic entity with a telepathic bolt
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Right there, Surfer admit he's not sure how he did it. You proved Moondragon is not up to the task, but not that Surfer has TP or can defend against Apoc&Violator. Moondragon was trying to force him to submit, not kill him. Serious difference.Edit: Strange whupped Moondragon with TP. He also whupped Surfer. So it is possible.
Moondragon has the mind gem, the mind gem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apoc TP
you needed prove that surfer had TP, now you have it.
Snuff out my last hope why don't you? Dude, I'm trying to find a way to beat Silver freaking Surfer. Can you blame me for being a little desperate? I'm practically praying at this point I can beat him with TP, because I don't think I have any other way to do it. And if Strange can beat Surfer with TP, and Dracula can do it, then I can do it too damn it. 😛
Edit: And I grasp one last straw. It didn't say that was TP. 😛
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Snuff out my last hope why don't you? Dude, I'm trying to find a way to beat Silver freaking Surfer. Can you blame me for being a little desperate? I'm practically praying at this point I can beat him with TP, because I don't think I have any other way to do it. And if Strange can beat Surfer with TP, and Dracula can do it, then I can do it too damn it. 😛
off course, like i´ve said before, i think your doing a fantastic work, i think its impossible doing better, i just truly believe your team is outclassed, had you has other herald level (and i would personaly change omega red too) and it would be completly different. Of course this is only my opinion, there are persons who think you can win, and counting the votes were tied.
Originally posted by King Kandy
"Fighting with consciusness" is the same as TP.
exactly if i need more scans to prove he has TP please tell me, before this ends (because i have more), i have to go to work or i´m screwd, have to deliver a ppaper this week.
But i think the ones i´ves posted talk by themselvs
*sigh* Omega Red is fine, I just had the bad luck to fight a team that's protected. Maybe I could have changed that pick, but Apoc was a good pick. I just had the bad luck to go up against the surfer.
And here's part of my comeback. I'm still hunting for those scans of surfer getting beat by Strange, but it did happen, Long Pig can verify that.
Apocalypse has total molecular control of his body. That means he can give himself almost any superpower in existence. Be it super strength, Super speed, energy absorbtion, absorbing solar radiation for use as blasts, hell, with his own super speed, TP attack, and his crazy molecular control, Sufer has to hit Apoc to take him out, and Apoc could just as easily absorb the kinetic impact and use it as power. As far as speed goes, he's been able to easily outrun quicksilver, not to mention his teleportation technology. Apoc could also reduce his body mass for increased speed, so there's no telling how fast he can go. I'm not saying he can match Surfer, but he's not a snail tank just waiting to take hits. Hulk has knocked out Surfer in H2H, and Apoc has manhandled Hulk. He could shift his arms into a reflecting lense and turn Surfer's blasts back at him. He could create flying squid monsters to slow him down for a TP assault or a boot to the head. I've already proved he can create creatures from nothing earlier. And that creature he made against Exodus had the strength of at least 10 men.
I'm not saying he controls PC. I'm saying he's very skilled in manipulating energy and he could use Surfer's power against him. He's also not as big a slouch as people think when it comes to speed.
Edit: Plus, let's face it, Surfer isn't the brightest bulb around. Mephisto has ****ed with his head, Strange has, Thanos has, it seems to me that lots of people try to use TP on surfer in lieu of brute force if they have the former. He's pretty good with it, but I still think I have a chance because Apoc can multi task it. As can Violator.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
*sigh* Omega Red is fine, I just had the bad luck to fight a team that's protected. Maybe I could have changed that pick, but Apoc was a good pick. I just had the bad luck to go up against the surfer.And here's part of my comeback. I'm still hunting for those scans of surfer getting beat by Strange, but it did happen, Long Pig can verify that.
Apocalypse has total molecular control of his body. That means he can give himself almost any superpower in existence. Be it super strength, Super speed, energy absorbtion, absorbing solar radiation for use as blasts, hell, with his own super speed, TP attack, and his crazy molecular control, Sufer has to hit Apoc to take him out, and Apoc could just as easily absorb the kinetic impact and use it as power. As far as speed goes, he's been able to easily outrun quicksilver, not to mention his teleportation technology. Apoc could also reduce his body mass for increased speed, so there's no telling how fast he can go. I'm not saying he can match Surfer, but he's not a snail tank just waiting to take hits. Hulk has knocked out Surfer in H2H, and Apoc has manhandled Hulk. He could shift his arms into a reflecting lense and turn Surfer's blasts back at him. He could create flying squid monsters to slow him down for a TP assault or a boot to the head. I've already proved he can create creatures from nothing earlier. And that creature he made against Exodus had the strength of at least 10 men.
everything apoc can transform, surfer can undone by his matter manipulation powers.
Are you serious about speed? show me scans of the best feats of apoc in terms of speed, i´ll bring scans of surfer and we can compare. You want to bring hulk, again show me a fight between apoc and hulk, i doubt apoc has one has faster has surfer did when he fought hulk.
and dr strange has beaten entities, he is well above apoc. The thing about strange its he´s just a man, but they make him do this amazing feats beating guys on thanos level and more.
Here's Apoc holding the Hulk
I'm about to show a few more Apoc scans. The amount of control he has over his body.
Matter rearrangement, possibly reality warping.
Apocalypse was awakened too early from his last regeneration and had barely any control of his abilities. He was having trouble holding his form together. http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/uncxmen1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=22125
And he still beats this team. http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/uncxmen1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=22127
And now, the beatdown.
And that was with barely any of his power, having trouble standing and having trouble controlling his powers. And he still won.
And no. I AM NOT COMPARING APOC TO MEPHISTO! I'm saying that alot of Surfer's villains use TP on him for a reason. It seems to get results.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Moondragons gem grants her greater raw psy-power then any other telepath.
My Thoughts:
It's not "mind gem tp". It's moondragon's telepathy amped by however much she can tap into the gem. Telepathic power varies on who uses the gem.
What the scan doesn't show you is that Moondragon successfully used the gem beforehand on the surfer. He was taken under Goddess's powers.
We don't know if Moondragon was trying to get Surfer under control again or just completely scramble his mind.
Plus Surfer says
"It may have been Galactus's tampering with his soul." or
"it may have have been his power cosmic" or
"It could have been his own will that did it".
Surfer himself isn't sure. It could have been any one of them or a combination of all three. There's no way to tell it was just Surfer's own strength of will. It could have been an outside force as well. But surfer has been taken over telepathy before and by no means is he immune. It was just that one instance in Infinity Crusade that he was able to resist the moondragon's telepathy amped somewhat by the mindgem.
I just don't want people to think that Surfer is immune to telepathy.
Much appreciated Evangel. That is exactly my point. If Loot was using a proven Psi powerhouse like Stryfe or Cassandra Nova or Xavier, then it would easy to say they could defend against Psionics. Surfer does not have a proven record on psionics. Thus, we cannot assume that Surfer is immune to TP, as Evangel said.
Then again trying to place Stranges attack of Surfer isn't really too valid of a point either. Surfers weak to magic which anyway you look at it is all Strange is so of course he should be able to mess with him, compared to most Strange faces, Surfer isn't much.
Great fight guys, keep it up. Still on the fence here
Well it has come down to this...
"TricksterPriest vs Loot"
..in the Grand Finale of The Evangel94 WildCard MiniTournament.
Who wants it the most?
Both of them are fighting hard to get the last spot in the tournament. Both of them fighting to be one of the Top 4.
Will Loot, who was formerly known as "Norrin Radd" and the Champion of the 1st Slugfest Showdown, be the reigning next champion and hold the Slugfest Championship Title again for the 2nd time in a row? OR will TricksterPriest end Loot's reign here and now.
Who will win?
You people decide!
Hey, Stars. thanks. Guess what Loot? Violator is pure necroplasm and hell magic. ka-CHING! Not to mention Surfer has been shown to be vulnerable to magic-based TP, and I'm sure Violator can augment his TP with magic. Hell, Gambit could channel kinetic energy into Apoc to boost his power. Apoc does have energy absorbtion. And I believe absorbing kinetic energy could count as a physical superpower, which falls under molecular control. 😛