Storm vs. Hulk

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Well here is my two cents. I reply with questions.

1. What can Hulk do if he is in a whirlwhind and is not connected to the ground? Wouldn't he be at her mercy?

2. How could Hulk possibly adapt to not needing to breath air when he has never shown to? Plus marvel says "The Hulk's body also has a gland that makes an "oxygenated per fluorocarbon emulsion", which creates pressure in the Hulk's lungs and effectively lets him breathe underwater and move quickly between varying depths without concerns about decompression or nitrogen narcosis ." Thus he needs oxygen to breath.

3. Isn't Hulk vunerable to Thor's lightning? Can storm also summon lightning bolts from the weather (like thor) that is equal or greater in strength?

SHUT UP!!!!! YOU ARE ALL GEEKS!!!!

YA USING ALL YA TIME WRITING ABOUT FICTIONAL GUYS FIGHTING EACH OTHER!!! but whatever, we are all people🙂

Originally posted by h1a8

1. What can Hulk do if he is in a whirlwhind and is not connected to the ground? Wouldn't he be at her mercy?

Any wind strong enough to pick up Hulk would take some of the ground with it then he would throw that at her (there's a scan of it on this thread)

Originally posted by h1a8
2. How could Hulk possibly adapt to not needing to breath air when he has never shown to? Plus marvel says "The Hulk's body also has a gland that makes an "oxygenated per fluorocarbon emulsion", which creates pressure in the Hulk's lungs and effectively lets him breathe underwater and move quickly between varying depths without concerns about decompression or nitrogen narcosis ." Thus he needs oxygen to breath.

Try to convince the fanboys of that

Originally posted by h1a8
3. Isn't Hulk vunerable to Thor's lightning? Can storm also summon lightning bolts from the weather (like thor) that is equal or greater in strength?

Yes but he can be hurt by lightning but his healing factor can compensate. Storms lightning is less powerful than Thor's btw.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Any wind strong enough to pick up Hulk would take some of the ground with it then he would throw that at her (there's a scan of it on this thread)

Yes but he can be hurt by lightning but his healing factor can compensate. Storms lightning is less powerful than Thor's btw.

I don't think any ground will come up with Hulk (maybe some dirt). Hulk only weighs 1000lbs. which is less than a small car. Don't you think that logic is a little bit reaching?

Storm can effect weather at least as equal to Thor (well as far as I have seen). I'm not talking about lightning coming from his hammer either but the sky. Hulk's healing ability has nothing to do with his resistance of being knocked out. And Hulk has been knocked out by a powerful lightining bolt from the sky summoned by Thor before.

Originally posted by h1a8
Storm can effect weather at least as equal to Thor (well as far as I have seen).

So you're saying that you've never seen Thor and very little of Storm.

Here is a hint, even in the book that Rutog uses as his proof that Storm is as powerful as Dark Phoenix, Storm is barely able to calm a storm that she says Thor could do with a single thought.

Then there is COCII.

Originally posted by The Weather God
No i am not and if you want to prove me wrong find a quote.

Read X's post....and tell me you didn't. 🙄

And? i don't see a point

Well you wouldn't...the point is...you have nothing to go by but speculation as Roguestorm has very little feats.

Up there with thor is what i consider goddess level.

So since Thor is considered Herald level does that make Storm a herald?

Doom didn't deflect the blast as i've said the 100th time. Read exactly what he said.

"I DEFLECTED THAT LIGHTNING BOLT"...

Nope as i say again she didn't even start calming the storm yet meaning it wasn't time to start timing her just yet, she wasn't sure she was able to do it because her powers had just been boosted.

This is when she starts using her power

You know this how? She is clearly using her powers to calm the Storm as shown by the panel art and Storms words. She even describes the tremendous effort required.

Phoenix describes herself as not having a limit am i correct? I'm just wondering why it's ok for her to hold back from killing her friends and still be considered to not have a limit. 😕

Again but when it's storm....... 🙄

Because they are her friends....did Phoenix show mercy to Mastermind....I think not. There's your parallel with Doom.

Doesn't matter to me that's not what my debate was

Yes, you're trying to say she showed no limits. That is another limit in itself.

Gaia control's all of the elemental forces on the planet am i correct? Not that i'm saying storm is her level, storm posses the full powers of Mother Nature.

Does that make her a REAL Goddess? Does that make her an ACTUAL God like Thor?

Doesn't matter colossus was trying to bring storm back down from her goddess level interpreting storm to give up that goddess power and come back to who she really was.

Here he brings the phoenix in which is what he meant in the same sense
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1650/ororo7hc.jpg

I also seem to recall colossus telling her she's changed
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5341/youvechanged6vc.jpg

No he urged her to fight back against her darkside. Phoenix gave in to her dark side.

Storm changed because her darkside was present.

We've never seen storm locked away like that..... As i've said she wanted to destroy doom, she was just playing around with her powers. This is why she kept talking to doom and as i've pointed out didn't want to destroy the x-men.

She wanted to destroy Doom yet she didn't because she was playing around with her powers? Eh...where are you getting this from? Exactly no where.

Storm didn't want to hurt her friends as well as destroy the planet. She Wanted to destroy doom due to the treatment he made her face, she didn't create a global scale storm to destroy the planet and what not because that was not her intentions.

Why didn't she destroy Doom then? She didn't care about destroying the region she was situated in...why would she care about the planet?

She was a goddess and she was only pissed off at doom.

So Goddess in what sense...the sense that's she's been worshiped by people before?

Corrupted not anger...she overcame her "Dark side"
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4412/triumphsoverthestorm0po.jpg

Exactly that proves that her powers can be on a cosmic scale which is pure canon proof.

Her powers work everywhere regardless of their atmosphere.....so does Vulcans....so does Magnetos doesn't make them Herald Level.

If her powers were amplified to near infinite levels then i believe she could and survive.

Speculation.

Hold on a minute when did i say she could beat the phoenix? When did i say she was on par with phoenix. For one i came in this debate explaining why storm never showed a limit which you so desperately try to find in the rogue storm issue. I proved that she never said thor was more powerful which was something you had misinterpreted and i proved that storm's powers were amplified to unknown level and she was only limited by her emotion.

The fact that you tried to compare the Phoenix's and Storms goddesshood.
As shown she has shown a limit. She showed limits as Roguestorm.

Point? My point still stands that this was the same way jean became the phoenix, but again when it's storm it's bs.🙄

Exactly what i thought 🙄

Jean became the Phoenix through a cosmic entity. Canon..read the latest UXM...Korvus ancestor possessed the PF before Jean Grey.

Storms transformation is through mutation.
Jean came from a cosmic entity but her Grey genes and Omega Level Potential allows her to become Top avatar for the PF.

That's how it is.

Sorry but it was either a transcend or complete bs to me. They shouldn't have changed it's too late and it's canon.

What's canon is the FACT that Claremont made reference to Storms ascension and said all mutants are capable of this. Something that isn't unique to Storm.

Originally posted by The Weather God
Nope as i've pointed out it was her emotional state that caused the problem or she would have been weak the minute she made the damn thing in the first place

😆 Its because of both...the scan even says so.

[quote]What are you talking about? She did stop the storm and she didn't have to do it the thor way or are you saying storm can't ride roughshad over the elements? If so then you are correct but that in no way means a limit, it just mean thor control's the weather different, either way storm stopped that roguestorm.

She's not the god of thunder she wasn't able to stop it with a thought. That is the limit.

Do you even know what a goddess is or means?

god·dess

1. A female being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people.
2. often Goddess A female being believed to be the source of life and being and worshiped as the principal deity in various religions. Used with the.
3. An image of a female supernatural being; an idol.
4. Something, such as fame or wealth, that is worshiped or idealized.
5. A woman of great beauty or grace.

Using your definition Storm(Pre-Roguestorm) and Selene are goddesses. Now you classed her at Thor Level(Herald Level) so explain why.

It said more importantly over her darkside as i've already stated she would have nearly died creating the storm in the first place, this matter was caused by her emotinal state. We all know that storm's powers are locked into her emotions so she had to keep complete control of them while she was stopping the storm, this is what i believed caused the exhaustion.

Look at the stuff in bold...so you're saying she does have limits then?

]But doom didn't try and deflect the lightning am i correct? I also bet he never made any claims in trying to am i correct?

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/632/roguesstormblast1ex.jpg

"I DEFLECTED THAT LIGHTNING BOLT"

Oh that's right they do show that, but still it's not like storm was creating a hurricane or something of a serious wind magnitude, so that does not matter.

So does the lack of feats justify HERALD LEVEL?

roll eyes (sarcastic) so now when you need phoenix to be a separate entity she is one, but the storm vs jean thread there is no jean without the phoenix force because she has always been the phoenix, i mean come on make up your minds people.

My point was not about how powerful storm was in that issue but that storm never displayed a limit until her emotions got in the way. You were trying to prove that storm wasn't anymore powerful then she already was and that was when i said i should correct you there.

Already answered the first bit see above.

My point was about both...and it's clear as day that she demonstrated limits. And lacks feats. A few hyperbole comments does not justify Herald Status.

Now Weather God thinks Storm is Herald Level? Hmmmm.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Read X's post....and tell me you didn't. 🙄

Read what i posted after that and x took that post from the storm vs meggan thread anyway, doesn't matter anyway i never made such judgments.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well you wouldn't...the point is...you have nothing to go by but speculation as Roguestorm has very little feats.

Enough feat to show that her power was near infinite levels.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So since Thor is considered Herald level does that make Storm a herald?

I don't know what a herald is, but i do know she was at least thor/goddess/god level

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
"I DEFLECTED THAT LIGHTNING BOLT"...

"But the effort drained my armor's energy reserves" meaning the lightning blast took down his defenses like that with one lightning blast, and as i said storm was just playing around with him.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
You know this how? She is clearly using her powers to calm the Storm as shown by the panel art and Storms words. She even describes the tremendous effort required.

Read the next panel "Her power sings within her" This is implying that she is now calming the the storm. When she was talking about thor and the tremendous effort she was thinking about what she had to face, hence the "The effort is as tremendous as the holocaust itself".

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Because they are her friends....did Phoenix show mercy to Mastermind....I think not. There's your parallel with Doom.

Exactly but when it's storm holding back from killing her friends it's a limit yet phoenix hold back from killing her friends and she's still considered to not have a limit.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Yes, you're trying to say she showed no limits. That is another limit in itself.

Do you honestly read exactly what i say? I've already said it in all of my post that i was trying to prove that she never showed a limit in that comic issue. This does not in any way mean storm had limitless power.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Does that make her a REAL Goddess? Does that make her an ACTUAL God like Thor?

Yes it does, you have to remember what a god or goddess means,

god·dess

1. A female being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people.
2. often Goddess A female being believed to be the source of life and being and worshiped as the principal deity in various religions. Used with the.
3. An image of a female supernatural being; an idol.
4. Something, such as fame or wealth, that is worshiped or idealized.
5. A woman of great beauty or grace.

Above: Storm here speaks of herself as a "goddess" who is "consecrated to life, sworn to protect it." This is just one of many instances in which Storm makes clear her ardently pro-life philosophy.

Claremont refers to her as a three dimensional goddess.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
No he urged her to fight back against her darkside. Phoenix gave in to her dark side.

Storm changed because her darkside was present.

If your referring her dark-side as her mad side then yes she was angry and pissed because of what had happened to her, storm is a very serious claustrophobic and i if i was locked in a statue that long with claustrophobia then i would be doing the same damn thing, this doesn't mean i have a whole different consciousness.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
She wanted to destroy Doom yet she didn't because she was playing around with her powers? Eh...where are you getting this from? Exactly no where.

Doom say's another blast may well destroy him

Yet storm is talking to him when she could have just blast his head off

Here it say's she was experiencing new sensation implying that her power feels good and it's fun.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Why didn't she destroy Doom then? She didn't care about destroying the region she was situated in...why would she care about the planet?

She was playing around with doom but she was intending on destroying him after her fun was over, it also said storm was one with the planet and all of it's elemental forces was hers to command.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So Goddess in what sense...the sense that's she's been worshiped by people before?

Both

The power of a goddess and the prayer of men.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Corrupted not anger...she overcame her "Dark side"
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4412/triumphsoverthestorm0po.jpg

? It say's nothing about corrupted just a dark side in her soul, this was caused by complete anger.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Her powers work everywhere regardless of their atmosphere.....so does Vulcans....so does Magnetos doesn't make them Herald Level.

But it stated storm was one with the entire planet, she was able to control every elemental force on the planet at her very will.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Speculation.

Yeah it's spec

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
The fact that you tried to compare the Phoenix's and Storms goddesshood.
As shown she has shown a limit. She showed limits as Roguestorm.

As i say again when did i try to compare storm to phoenix's power in this discussion, i was referring to the story ark that was similar to the phoenix one, and the only limit she shown was her emotion, the same way phoenix did.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Jean became the Phoenix through a cosmic entity. Canon..read the latest UXM...Korvus ancestor possessed the PF before Jean Grey.

So i'll ask this one more time, was jean the phoenix before the so called phoenix inhabited her?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Storms transformation is through mutation.
Jean came from a cosmic entity but her Grey genes and Omega Level Potential allows her to become Top avatar for the PF.

That's how it is.

That wasn't a natual mutation for storm, the same as the PF for jean grey, they were caused by something.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
What's canon is the FACT that Claremont made reference to Storms ascension and said all mutants are capable of this. Something that isn't unique to Storm.

And jean grey?🙄

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
😆 Its because of both...the scan even says so.

The scan say's more importantly her dark side this implying that it was her emotional state that is causing the confusion and we all know storm's emotions can tap into her control over the weather.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
She's not the god of thunder she wasn't able to stop it with a thought. That is the limit.

We don't know how long it took for you to prove that point wrong, it never mentions it.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Using your definition Storm(Pre-Roguestorm) and Selene are goddesses. Now you classed her at Thor Level(Herald Level) so explain why.

Storm wielded the power of mother nature at her very command, storm has also been deemed worthy of a goddess in Asgard so i see no reason to suggest thor the better man or god and storm isn't.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Look at the stuff in bold...so you're saying she does have limits then?

"as i've already stated she would have nearly died creating the storm in the first place,"

How hard is that to understand? if storm would have had so much trouble stopping the storm then she would have died creating it in the first place. That in no way say's that she haves a limit.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/632/roguesstormblast1ex.jpg

"I DEFLECTED THAT LIGHTNING BOLT"

Your not answering my question, did doom try to counter the blast from storm in the bp issue? In the roguestorm he tried and the effort drained his armor's energy reserves.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So does the lack of feats justify HERALD LEVEL?

I don't know who herald is or his level but i do know thor's level.

Also In Uncanny 227, the Adversary says that Ororo's winds can shatter worlds and her lightning can turn it to dust.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Already answered the first bit see above.

Try again

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
My point was about both...and it's clear as day that she demonstrated limits. And lacks feats. A few hyperbole comments does not justify Herald Status.

🙄 Get out of here the only limit your trying to prove is when storm stopped that giant storm which has been heavily misinterpreted.

That little part right there was enough to prove how powerful she was
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/325/experience7ya.jpg

Originally posted by The Weather God
Enough feat to show that her power was near infinite levels.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Aren't you claiming that she had "near infinite" and "limitless power" i.e. some sort of cosmic level being? If you're not trying to amp her up to some cosmic level of power, then pray tell what exactly are you trying to do?

She's powerful, yes.

And?

I'm trying to figure out what exactly your point is?

What exactly was so fantastical about this to even warrant the slightest suggestion of near infinite power? Do you really think the Storm that appeared in that one arc with her "limitless" "near infinite" power is on par with the Phoenix as she is today? Do you really think she can compare with Wanda Maximoff from the HoM? Mad Jim Jaspers? Insane Genis-Vell? The Authority's Doctor? Dr Strange? Shazam the Wizard? Rune King Thor? The Spectre?

Is she "beyond all comprehension" of these people? Is she near their level of infinity?

The word "infinite" is thrown around a lot in comics. Just like "limitless" "invulnerable" "invincible" "fastest" "strongest" "most powerful" and so on. There are scales of "infinity" in comics.

Originally posted by The Weather God
I don't know what a herald is, but i do know she was at least thor/goddess/god level

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So you answered one part of my post I guess. So being on Thor's level makes one "Goddess level." Thor is generally considered to be Herald level. With the likes of the Silver Surfer, GLs, Adam Warlock, Quasar and so on.

What exactly did she do that would put her on Thor's level i.e. Herald level, pray tell?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Have you any idea what Thor is capable of?

Just so everybody knows now, in the updated official Handbook that came out, in Storm's entry, they establish that Storm can indeed control the cosmic wind. Also, my interpretation of Uncanny 165 seems to be correct. When Ororo channelled the power of millions of stars, it killed the embreyo, but left her unprotected in space. It was the exposure that threatened to killed her to deep space, not the energy. The way it was worded supports me. 😄

On top of this, they finally took that ridiculous 300 mph wind thing out of her power description. This is good considering she has done things WAY beyond this many times over.

Weather God is also correct in his surmise that its her emotions that limits her. Her powers are limited to the force of her will and strength of her body, however, it seems that the body is only a limit because she allows it to be. Her morality tempers her powers and she forces herself to work within limits. In Uncanny 147, Storm created those storms over a vast area and absorbed energy from them which evolved her. This is taken straight out of the Handbook. I know that you guys are going to try and bring up Uncanny 121 where Storm tired herself out with that blizzard, but if you read that issue, she was "gently" bending the forces to her will. She was using restraint and forcing herself to work within certain perameters. In Uncanny 145-147, she was using her powers without restraing and ended up evolving. To further emphasize my point, in Uncanny 175, when Storm was punk storm, she had less restraint than prior to Punk. As such, because she was less gentle (as the issue used that word, "gentle"😉, she was able to turn on a storm off and on indoors and far underground as casually as a light switch and it did not tire her as it would have when she was a gentler woman. OF course, she was no Rougestorm as she still had morality, but you get my drift...

Anyway, Storm=Phoenix

RogueStorm=Dark Phoenix

Case Closed.

Originally posted by Rutog98

Case Closed.

Originally posted by Badabing
Hulk wins.

Pretty much

Storm wins. Hulk has no realistic way of taking Storm out of the fight as he's completely defenseless against her powers. She can steal his vision and he has no way of standing up to those winds nor can he avoid them. She can try as many tricks as she wants to try and put him down and she will find a way. Hulk is not invincible and Storm is the more powerful character.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Any wind strong enough to pick up Hulk would take some of the ground with it then he would throw that at her (there's a scan of it on this thread)

That was PIS.

Try to convince the fanboys of that

Okay, if Hulk does yhave to breathe, Storm has him.

Yes but he can be hurt by lightning but his healing factor can compensate. Storms lightning is less powerful than Thor's btw.

Prove Thor's lightning is more powerful than Ororo's. I'm going to call you on this and you better have some feats because I know that I do for Storm.

why does this thread exist storm dies 10/10

Storm wins 10/10. How is Hulk going to take her out when he can't even see her? She sucks the air away from him and he's going to suffocate.

Or try this: She blinds him with fog, lifts him with winds but keep the air away from his nostrils and mouth. She pulled this on Magneto though Magneto had a way to anchor himself (with great strain on his powers). Hulk cannot anchor himself so he's in the air and suffocating and blind. Storm wins.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm wins 10/10.

Originally posted by Rutog98
That was PIS.

No it's called physic's

Originally posted by Rutog98
Okay, if Hulk does yhave to breathe, Storm has him.

No hulk doesn't , his body can adapt.

Originally posted by Rutog98
[B]Prove Thor's lightning is more powerful than Ororo's. I'm going to call you on this and you better have some feats because I know that I do for Storm.

Let's see, Clor (a frikkin CLONE ) ***** slapped HERCULES with his rip-off lightening.Or how about when he attacked multiple Celestials in Thor 500# ?