Another thing which I find quite interesting is the retcon that took place in Classic X-Men.
Uncanny #99(June 1976)
Retcon takes place in Classic X-Men #7(March 1987)
So as you can see things have changed.
It should also be noted that this retcon could possibly effect issues like UXM #147(July 1981) and UXM #165(January 1983) and that article from 1979 Rampage Magazine (UK).
Storm can't really hurt him, or hold him off forever. Hulk eventually would win.
Her best shot - use hurricane winds to throw him a few thousand feet in the air, then use said winds to hurtle into the ground a few times over. Might eventually knock him out, but maybe not.
Her lightning isn't as concentrated or pure as Thor's - it won't affect him.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Another thing which I find quite interesting is the retcon that took place in Classic X-Men.Uncanny #99(June 1976)
Retcon takes place in Classic X-Men #7(March 1987)
So as you can see things have changed.
It should also be noted that this retcon could possibly effect issues like UXM #147(July 1981) and UXM #165(January 1983) and that article from 1979 Rampage Magazine (UK).
Actually you have one book against the original, the trade paper back and a number of other reprints.
At the end of the day I'll put my money on the original work.🙂
Oddly enough the editor of Classic even tried to change another image with Storm rearranging the molecules of her X-Uniform in Classic X-Men 10. (IIRC)
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Holy crap. Is Storm comparing her will to the holocaust? Somebody went out of their way to make that reference.
I know your joking but I know somebody out there see the word "Holocaust" and the first thing that comes to their mind is WW II and not the word "destruction". 🙁
Originally posted by HandOfFate
Actually you have one book against the original, the trade paper back and a number of other reprints.At the end of the day I'll put my money on the original work.🙂
Oddly enough the editor of Classic even tried to change another image with Storm rearranging the molecules of her X-Uniform in Classic X-Men 10. (IIRC)
Do you own the reprints? If so could you post the scans? Besides if it is literally just a reprint then I highly doubt it holds any more ground seeing how the writer of both issues is basically the same person. Marvel obviously went to a lot of trouble to change it...since it's practically an updated version with 2-3 extra pages and an extra story. Logically this would make the Classic X-Men issue hold more grounds.
Besides it's still the same writer.
Can't seem to find the Classic X-Men #10 thing you were talking about.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Do you own the reprints? If so could you post the scans?
I don’t have the issue anymore but you can probably buy them at your local book or comic book store. Besides, that issue of Classic X-Men is the only thing you will find that goes against the original print. Everything else that has been reprinted follows the original story.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Besides if it is literally just a reprint then I highly doubt it holds any more ground seeing how the writer of both issues is basically the same person.
You do realize that Classic X-Men are also reprints? Also, Classic is rarely used as canon, especially when you have the original story as a reference.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Marvel obviously went to a lot of trouble to change it...since it's practically an updated version with 2-3 extra pages and an extra story.
No, somebody at Marvel went to a lot of trouble to try to change something that didn’t need to be changed in the first place. Also, 2 or 3 extra pages do not justified a total upheaval of an original comic.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Logically this would make the Classic X-Men issue hold more grounds.
No it wouldn’t. The original story holds more legitimacy seeing that it’s the original story. When Marvel makes mention of previous storylines they footnote the original story not issues of Classic X-Men.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Besides it's still the same writer.
Maybe, maybe not. Ask yourself, why would Claremont write a story undermining his original work, then later write a story showing her creating something on a much grander scale? (Which the Original and the classic are verbatim)
Also, I like your Vulcan pic.🙂
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I kind of intepret the scan as referring to the effort in which the task itself involves not actually her will.(I suppose indirectly her will would be involved though).
However if word of mouth is taken with such precedence then does this mean Cyclops and Wolverine also have wills on par with Storm?
They might. High will in Marvel seems to be as common as a character with no powers being an expert martial artist in DC.
Originally posted by HandOfFate
I know your joking but I know somebody out there see the word [b]"Holocaust" and the first thing that comes to their mind is WW II and not the word "destruction". 🙁 [/B]
Originally posted by HandOfFate
I don’t have the issue anymore but you can probably buy them at your local book or comic book store. Besides, that issue of Classic X-Men is the only thing you will find that goes against the original print. Everything else that has been reprinted follows the original story.You do realize that Classic X-Men are also reprints? Also, Classic is rarely used as canon, especially when you have the original story as a reference.
No, [b]somebody
at Marvel went to a lot of trouble to try to change something that didn’t need to be changed in the first place. Also, 2 or 3 extra pages do not justified a total upheaval of an original comic.No it wouldn’t. The original story holds more legitimacy seeing that it’s the original story. When Marvel makes mention of previous storylines they footnote the original story not issues of Classic X-Men.
Maybe, maybe not. Ask yourself, why would Claremont write a story undermining his original work, then later write a story showing her creating something on a much grander scale? (Which the Original and the classic are verbatim)
Also, I like your Vulcan pic.🙂 [/B]
I don't understand since when is it rarely used as Canon...does that mean Lourdes never died and Emma and Shaw never took control over the Hellfire Club?
Claremont wrote it...he must have his reasons for changing it. Possibly to clairfy things about Storm.
They've updated the stories to keep with the times. I don't see why he wouldn't clarify things to keep with the times. It seems like a retcon IMO but oh well to each their own. 😬
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
[B]I don't understand since when is it rarely used as Canon...does that mean Lourdes never died and Emma and Shaw never took control over the Hellfire Club?
Are we talking about the back issue story or the main story?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
It seems like a retcon IMO but oh well to each their own. 😬
True.
I'll split this up this is a little thick and i may miss some points
Originally posted by ExodusCloakJust out of curiosity...where exactly are you getting this "Ultimate Power" thing from? The parallel which I draw from UXM #147 to the Dark Phoenix Saga shows Storm undergoing a situation similar to that of Jean and like Ms Grey she too is corrupted by her new found power.
We got it from...
Here
Read exactly what she say's
Here
Read exactly what angel says
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Read exactly what it says and tell me it wasn't implied as storm with ultimate power.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
By no means does this imply that she has the power of a Goddess on Par with that of the Phoenix or any other Cosmic Entity.
Read up and see what you come up with
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
And by no means does she give this power up. It is her power however as Roguestorm she used it in a violent and sporadic fashion with no regard for the Earth itself.
Read it again
Storm was not just using her powers in a destructive manner because she was mad. Her powers had evolved and amplified to unthinkable levels
And by all means she gave that power up
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
What Storm did that Jean never did was overcome her corruption. And by tapping back into her humanity she is able to come back to her senses. So by no means does this imply that she attained power on leagues with Cosmic Gods and by no means did she give it up by coming to her senses she is able to change her state of mind and use her powers in a less destructive fashion.
I highly disagree here the panel shows storm had evolved into a goddess of the earth's elemental forces and they were hers to command at her very will due to her powers being amplified to those levels. She was even able to strike doom with lightning and kill him in nearly one blast(with him deflecting it with his magical armor.)
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
As Magneto would say Mutants are Gods among men. And this is what I believe Claremont was getting at. Mutants have the means do things that would be looked upon by men as Godly. And he further touched on this in X-treme X-Men #5 with Storms comments.
But Jean Grey as Phoenix is considered a goddess and she starts from being a mutant.🙄
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Besides the power itself was not described as Infinite but "Near Infinite" which is a very vague statement for a being who claims to have "No limits".
Near infinite is enough for me to understand that her powers were god levels or even further.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
As for the Thor thing. I believe it can be interpreted as both. For a being who claimed to have "No limits" she was almost killed when she tried to dispel the storm.
She wasn't nearly killed from trying to stop the storm as i said this was due to the psychotic state of her emotions at the time as storm would have died trying to create the storm in the first place, she comes out kicking ass at full force.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
She is no Thor in the sense that she couldn't dispel it right away.
Correction she does not override the elements or as she say's it "Roughshod".
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I realize the nature at which both of their powers worked but she was a being who claimed to have no limits.
It's not a limit it's the nature of how her powers work and as i said it does not work like thors, and if you realize that then you should understand the difference and the point.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Does this mean she's necessarily weaker then Thor...maybe..it can be interpreted in this way.
No that was not the point she was making in the first place, all it means is he can stop a storm easier then storm because they're powers work differently, this doesn't mean storm cannot do it. The issue also shows storm had the power to override magic which is what doom's armor was and what thor's power is.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
However is there anything in that issue to imply that she's more powerful then the God of Thunder? I think not. Again I stress the vagueness of the power we are shown.
We'll from what i've seen in the issue it's pretty clear that she was goddess level or higher.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So to sum it up...in terms of power Storm showed her potential but the gauge in power was not on par with that of cosmic entities. And there was nothing that implied her power would reach that peak.
It didn't have to from what we've seen storm do she would be cosmic if her powers were amplified, the issue also showed she had the power to alter her appearence and even turn her hair into elemental form, i don't remember seeing thor using his power on that molecular scale, hell i've never seen him change his clothes with lightning or his powers.
Originally posted by HandOfFate
Are we talking about the back issue story or the main story?True.
Well why would the main story be any less valid from the back story?
Originally posted by The Weather God
[B]I'll split this up this is a little thick and i may miss some pointsWe got it from...
Here
Read exactly what she say's
Here
Read exactly what angel says
Here
Read exactly what it says and tell me it wasn't implied as storm with ultimate power.
Read up and see what you come up with
Read it again
Storm was not just using her powers in a destructive manner because she was mad. Her powers had evolved and amplified to unthinkable levels
And by all means she gave that power up
I've read it and there's still nothing that gives the impression of her being a cosmic entity.
Hit Doom with a lightning bolt? The winds are 200 Knots not something Storm hasn't done before. Seeing how she couldn't dispel the Storm immediately she must have limits. Her power is near infinite therefore she must have limits. A very vague statement not a gauge in power. Not to mention the fact that Storm has a Goddess complex...since she wasn't in the right state mind that persona would have been present. She transcended but it DOES NOT mean she transcended into a being with cosmic power...she did it in the physical sense like AoA Sunfire, Iceman and Shadow King(Who's iffy) becoming slightly more powerful and there's is nothing to suggest that she was a being of cosmic proportions. That is where you're reaching.I'll give you the fact that she gave up the power...but she only gave up the power after she showed she DOES have limits so my point still stands.
[quote]I highly disagree here the panel shows storm had evolved into a goddess of the earth's elemental forces and they were hers to command at her very will due to her powers being amplified to those levels. She was even able to strike doom with lightning and kill him in nearly one blast(with him deflecting it with his magical armor.)
I give you the part where her powers where amplified. However there is nothing to suggest levels of cosmic proportions. You're reaching. Just because a character gets a power up does not mean she is cosmic. Her Storm was not even on a Global level. How does that equate to cosmic?
But Jean Grey as Phoenix is considered a goddess and she starts from being a mutant.🙄
Phoenix started off as a separate cosmic entity possessing Jean not a mutation. Besides if we go by you're theory Beak and Angel have the potential to become Cosmic Gods. 🙄 There's no use arguing this point. Claremont made reference to the Roguestorm incident in X-treme X-Men #5. And Storms comment was directed at ALL mutants. Nothing that makes Storm unique.
Near infinite is enough for me to understand that her powers were god levels or even further.
It's vague...when she didn't perform anything cosmic. Her Storm was not even on a Global scale. So how can we just assume she's cosmic.
She wasn't nearly killed from trying to stop the storm as i said this was due to the psychotic state of her emotions at the time as storm would have died trying to create the storm in the first place, she comes out kicking ass at full force.
The scan says the "effort is as tremendous as the holocaust itself".. Meaning she struggled when she tried to calm the Storm. 😕
No that was not the point she was making in the first place, all it means is he can stop a storm easier then storm because they're powers work differently, this doesn't mean storm cannot do it. The issue also shows storm had the power to override magic which is what doom's armor was and what thor's power is.
It still means she has limits. Obviously it means Storm cannot do it because she said she couldn't do it.
Correction she does not override the elements or as she say's it "Roughshod".
Meaning she has limits.
We'll from what i've seen in the issue it's pretty clear that she was goddess level or higher.
You still haven't shown anything. What the heck is Goddess level? Goddess level as in a God among men? Again there is no gauge in power. The only thing we have are her feats and her storm was not on a global scale. She is Alpha mutant level.
It didn't have to from what we've seen storm do she would be cosmic if her powers were amplified, the issue also showed she had the power to alter her appearence and even turn her hair into elemental form, i don't remember seeing thor using his power on that molecular scale, hell i've never seen him change his clothes with lightning or his powers.
She transcended her physical appearance. A lot of mutants have done this Iceman, Horsemen/AoA Sunfire and Shadow King. That power where she controls particles on a molecular level has ONLY been shown to apply to clothes. So changing attire in the middle of battle is not going to be of much help.
I'm sorry but you come across as heavely bias here...again why are we assuming she's on cosmic level? The feats she demonstrated were nothing she hasn't done before.
- She calmed a storm the size of a hemisphere. In the Roguestorm issue she calmed a Storm much smaller then a hemisphere and almost died.
- She already took down Doom in Black Panther.(And in the Roguestorm issue, Doom had very little information on the mutants. Hence the reason he captured them..so he could study them). When boosted Dooms shields still held in the Roguestorm issue.
- Her winds are 150Knots in the Roguestorm issue that's less then her 300mph cap? What's so impressive about that? What's so cosmic about that? Nothing she hasn't done before without the boost. Also you're forgetting that Claremont already made reference to that Roguestorm issue in X-treme X-Men #5. According to that issue. Storms transcending into Roguestorm is nothing unique to Storm and all mutants are capable of doing this.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I'm sorry but you come across as heavely bias here...again why are we assuming she's on cosmic level? The feats she demonstrated were nothing she hasn't done before.
- She calmed a storm the size of a hemisphere. In the Roguestorm issue she calmed a Storm much smaller then a hemisphere and almost died.
- She already took down Doom in Black Panther.(And in the Roguestorm issue, Doom had very little information on the mutants. Hence the reason he captured them..so he could study them). When boosted Dooms shields still held in the Roguestorm issue.
- Her winds are 150Knots in the Roguestorm issue that's less then her 300mph cap? What's so impressive about that? What's so cosmic about that? Nothing she hasn't done before without the boost. Also you're forgetting that Claremont already made reference to that Roguestorm issue in X-treme X-Men #5. According to that issue. Storms transcending into Roguestorm is nothing unique to Storm and all mutants are capable of doing this.
hmmmmmmmmm, that is really interesting....
It should settle this, I'm interested in the response.
In the Rougestorm arc, the issue did not say that those winds were her mightiest winds. Exodus Cloak, you are making things up. She has done feats on a number of occassions that place her winds well above this. You are still trying to limit the winds she generates to 300 mph. You will never be able to do it as you will have to ignore a number of her feats that places her over this many times over.
Also, in Unlimited issue 1, it says that Storm is Mistress of the Storm be it tropical, COSMIC or arctic. Furthermore, I e-mailed with Claremont a few years ago around the time of revolution. He told me that she can still command the cosmic winds as she did in Uncanny 99 and control stars as she did in Uncanny 165. He said it was a part of the charater from the beginning and is still a part of her. Storm's unity with the cosmic winds was brought up again by CC in Contest of Champions 2.
Rougestorm had the ability to control every elemental force on the planet. The issue said that. Her powers were near-infinite and growing. Was she cosmic? Yes. She had near-infinite power and she could potentially gain ultimate power. She is not limited to planetary forces as we also know that she can control cosmic forces as well. "Her breath was fire and ice, her voice rolling thunder she is one with the planet and all of its myriad, elemental forces were hers to command." She was evolving here. She was transcending humanity. There would have been no limits to the amount of power she could wield hence she would have had ultimate power. We have seen her wield the power of millions of stars while still flesh and blood.
Regrettably, we never got to see Rougestorm's true power. She brought herself in beforehand. She had to. Dark Phoenix went all out and she had to die because of the murders she committed in devouring that star. HAd Rougestorm continued, she would have had to suffer the same fate. This story just allowed us to know very plainly that Storm is potentially on a par with Dark Phoenix/Phoenix Force. This is further emphasized in the interview where Storm=Phoenix, this story where Rougestorm=Dark Phoenix etc. Storm has been able to match all of Phoenix's and Dark Phoenix's feats in canon. In fact, she has even surpassed them in some ways. Dark Phoenix had the potential to surpass all of the cosmic entities. Storm has the same as hers is up there with the PF.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Another thing which I find quite interesting is the retcon that took place in Classic X-Men.Uncanny #99(June 1976)
Retcon takes place in Classic X-Men #7(March 1987)
So as you can see things have changed.
It should also be noted that this retcon could possibly effect issues like UXM #147(July 1981) and UXM #165(January 1983) and that article from 1979 Rampage Magazine (UK).
Hmmm...You know something? Why don't you try reading Classic X-Men for the Brood Saga? I think you will find in there that STorm can command the cosmic winds and she still summons the power of millions of stars. 😄 These stories came after this one that you mentioned. There was probably poor communication for this 99 classic thing.
Originally posted by Rutog98
In the Rougestorm arc, the issue did not say that those winds were her mightiest winds. Exodus Cloak, you are making things up. She has done feats on a number of occassions that place her winds well above this. You are still trying to limit the winds she generates to 300 mph. You will never be able to do it as you will have to ignore a number of her feats that places her over this many times over.Also, in Unlimited issue 1, it says that Storm is Mistress of the Storm be it tropical, COSMIC or arctic. Furthermore, I e-mailed with Claremont a few years ago around the time of revolution. He told me that she can still command the cosmic winds as she did in Uncanny 99 and control stars as she did in Uncanny 165. He said it was a part of the charater from the beginning and is still a part of her. Storm's unity with the cosmic winds was brought up again by CC in Contest of Champions 2.
Rougestorm had the ability to control every elemental force on the planet. The issue said that. Her powers were near-infinite and growing. Was she cosmic? Yes. She had near-infinite power and she could potentially gain ultimate power. She is not limited to planetary forces as we also know that she can control cosmic forces as well. "Her breath was fire and ice, her voice rolling thunder she is one with the planet and all of its myriad, elemental forces were hers to command." She was evolving here. She was transcending humanity. There would have been no limits to the amount of power she could wield hence she would have had ultimate power. We have seen her wield the power of millions of stars while still flesh and blood.
You haven't shown any feats where it states her winds have reached speeds greater then 300mph. You are just speculating so please don't tell me I'm the one making things up. The winds in the issue were stated to be 150 Knots so I don't see what you're getting at.
You have no scans to show that her winds have exceeded 300mph only YOUR speculation...I have one where her winds reach 100mph and 150knots...and I have a handbook(2004) to clarify that her winds can reach a maximum of 300mph.
Contest of Champions #2 came out in 1982...Classic X-Men #7 in 1987.
I'm not going to comment on your email with Claremont. There was definitely a reason why Marvel when to all the trouble of changing it.
Her power was growing? Potentially gain Ultimate Power? Not limited to Planetary Forces? Where was all this stated? She controlled all planetary elements...but showed no levels of cosmic power....therefore she was not cosmic . Vulcan controls ALL energy doesn't make him cosmic.
Again Claremont addressed this issue in X-treme X-Men #5 so according to your theory Angel and Beak can also become Cosmic Gods. She was still Evolving? Again all your speculation this is stated nowhere.
Again according to Claremont in X-treme X-Men #5 ALL mutants are capable of this. Does this make Storm unique...I'm afraid not. So if I go by your theory...in a KMC fight...am I able to say Beak at full potential vs Storm at full potential is a draw because at full potential they'd both be cosmic?
Again that feat where Storm harnessed the power of Million suns etc...is a greater feat then anything Roguestorm showed..so why would Roguestorm be cosmic? When she hasn't been labelled one and hasn't shown feats on a cosmic scale. Besides...there's still the little retcon in Classic X-Men #7 to consider.
Unlimited X-Men #1 the one with Siena Blaze? Page number please cause I can't seem to find the narrative where it states this.
Regrettably, we never got to see Rougestorm's true power. She brought herself in beforehand. She had to. Dark Phoenix went all out and she had to die because of the murders she committed in devouring that star. HAd Rougestorm continued, she would have had to suffer the same fate. This story just allowed us to know very plainly that Storm is potentially on a par with Dark Phoenix/Phoenix Force. This is further emphasized in the interview where Storm=Phoenix, this story where Rougestorm=Dark Phoenix etc. Storm has been able to match all of Phoenix's and Dark Phoenix's feats in canon. In fact, she has even surpassed them in some ways. Dark Phoenix had the potential to surpass all of the cosmic entities. Storm has the same as hers is up there with the PF.
That's all speculation and again your interview is clouded by Claremonts words in X-treme X-Men #5. So again I ask you can Exodus and Emma Frost have the potential to be cosmic beings? I mean Storm said it applies to ALL mutants...
Originally posted by Rutog98
Scott and Logan do not have wills on a par with Storm. That was 145-147 where that was mentioned. Storm's will grew far more powerful during CC's run. It was on a constant growth curve. Where she was in terms of will in 145-147 was nothing to wher she ended up by say 277.
Care to back that up I mean it is written in a comic after all and I'm just doing what you're doing using a off comment from a charater....I seem to remember that Banshee got up before Storm when the Skrull attacked them psychically. Does that mean Banshee's will is greater then Storms?
Originally posted by Rutog98
Hmmm...You know something? Why don't you try reading Classic X-Men for the Brood Saga? I think you will find in there that STorm can command the cosmic winds and she still summons the power of millions of stars. 😄 These stories came after this one that you mentioned. There was probably poor communication for this 99 classic thing.
IIRC I don't think controlled cosmic winds in the scans just used the energy of the suns. IMO I think they changed it not because of the 12 Gale cosmic wind thing but because of the "Unknown Energy Matrix" thing.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
You haven't shown any feats where it states her winds have reached speeds greater then 300mph. You are just speculating so please don't tell me I'm the one making things up. The winds in the issue where stated to be 150 Knots so I don't see what you're getting at.
You have no scans to show tat her winds have exceeded 300mph only YOUR speculation...I have one where her winds reach 100mph and 150knots...and I have a handbook(2004) to clarify that her winds can reach a maximum of 300mph.Contest of Champions #2 came out in 1982...Classic X-Men #7 in 1987.
I'm not going to comment on your email with Claremont. There was definitely a reason why Marvel when to all the trouble of changing it.Her power was growing? Potentially gain Ultimate Power? Not limited to Planetary Forces? Where was all this stated? She controlled all planetary elements...but showed no levels of cosmic power....therefore she was not cosmic . Vulcan controls ALL energy doesn't make him cosmic.
Again Claremont addressed this issue in X-treme X-Men #5 so according to your theory Angel and Beak can also become Cosmic Gods. She was still Evolving? Again all your speculation this is stated nowhere.
Again according to Claremont in X-treme X-Men #5 ALL mutants are capable of this. Does this make Storm unique...I'm afraid not. So if I go by your theory...in a KMC fight...am I able to say Beak at full potential vs Storm at full potential is a draw because at full potential they'd both be cosmic?
Again that feat where Storm harnessed the power of Million suns etc...is a greater feat then anything Roguestorm showed..so why would Roguestorm be cosmic? When she hasn't been labelled one and hasn't shown feats on a cosmic scale. Besides...there's still the little retcon in Classic X-Men #7 to consider.
Unlimited X-Men #1 the one with Siena Blaze? Page number please cause I can't seem to find the narrative where it states this.
This is very desperate, but I will address your points by paragraph:
1) I have not shown any feats where her winds reach greater than 300 mph? The lady has flown from New Orleans to New York in a matter of minutes. She flies at the rates of the winds she generates. She has lifted skyscrapers (a feat that requires winds much greater than 300 mph). She has smashed MAgneto's force-field and taxed his powers greatly. Magneto was easily able to withstand Colossus, Logan and Cyclops at the same time a page or two before. Again, those are winds well over 300 mph. What they are doing in comics is simply having Storm perform awesome feats without listing the wind speed. Nobody knows exactly how much wind velocity is needed to produce the force to do these things. We just know that she can do them. The feats she's doing goes well beyond the strength and power of a 300 mph wind. Its stated that Namor's strength is at 85 tons yet he has accomplished feats well above this and on these boards, we give him credit for it. He is given class 100 strength because of that. The same should (and will) hold true for Storm's winds.
2) Contest of Champions 2 came out in the late 90s. You are thinking Contest of Champions 1 issue 2. I am talking about Contest of Champions 2.
3) There was no reason Marvel changed 99 save probably miscommunication or something because Storm is controlling cosmic forces in the Brood Saga. Furthermore, in the very issue you are trying to use, she is flying on solar winds in out of space. The only thing that was changed was the fact that she assaulted the sentinel with a lightning bolt instead of the wind itself. The issue states that she was in a vacuum, therefore, you will find no planetary wind. Yet after she disposes of the sentinel, she flies on a cosmic wind to get back to the others. You are really desperate to keep Storm in that box you have in your head.
4) She had near-infinite power. The issue stated that. She had ultimate power in her grasp. The issue stated that. The lady was tempted by the same ultimate power that tempted Jean Grey/Dark Phoenix.
5 and 6) I always get a kick out of how you intentionally read X-Treme 5. I was waiting to see if anyone would call you on this. Anyway, here is what Storm says at this point:
Storm: "Thunderbird, the difference between mutants and the rest of our fellow humanity is that we wield the primal forces of nature. All of us hold within ourselves the capacity to transcend our very being. I've seen it happen to the others of our kind."
Prior to this, Storm says that she herself will evolve into an actual goddess.
Okay, what you are ignoring is the fact that Storm was speaking of mutants who wield the primal forces of nature. That knocks out Angel and Beak. Secondly, it says that they can transcend humanity, that does not mean that they will evolve into gods or goddesses. So in this case, if you want to bring up Angel and Beak, you can try and stretch them into this. They may transcend humanity, but that does not mean they will evolve into gods and goddesses like Storm. That's the extreme. Storm can evolve to that extreme. That was stated very plainly in the issue. I don't think she was really ferring to characters like them though.
7) Rougestorm stopped before we could see her true power. She could command all of the elemental forces, but did we see her cause an earthquake or manipulate gravity or anything? No. We did not get to really see her powers at all. Who knows what she would have been able to accomplish had she kept going. What if she went out into space? We knew that STorm could control cosmic forces from the beginning as her first Uncanny issue was 94 and she was doing this in issue 99. Storm in Uncanny 165 did not have the power of Rougestorm. She did a bigger feat, yes, but we never got to see Rougestorm's full power.
8) I can't find my issue now, but here is what's stated:
Storm: "Enough. I am Mistress of the Storm be it tropical, cosmic or arctic. I will not allow the elements, my birthright, to be the instruments of our deaths."
Please don't try and use this issue to prove that Storm can be hurt by those cold temperatures or that she can't alter weather over a continent. I have numerous instances to contradict it. Just save yourself the effort. However, this issue does give her the credit for controlling cosmic forces as well.
If someone can nab concrete out of mid-air and throw it fast enough to get through her winds, she's not gonna hurt him.
That was Storm's best. It states it on panel.
It is canonical.
This debate is over. If you cannot realize what is on the page and accept it, you need to leave comic book debates, because that's the way it is. Your favorite character lost. Get over it. We Thor fans have to deal with Superman beating our fave character, so consider yourselves lucky.
