Darth Bane versus Yoda

Originally posted by The Sith'ari
Lightsnake, you are quite clearly wrong, just refer to my argument above, there's nothing more I can say to you.

Man, you just loooooove copying IKC. [/B]

Except IKC is as much a Kun fanboy as you are a Bane fanboy, so he never made arguments even close to what Lightsnake says..

You have the Transitive Property Equation at the beginning of the page. We must utilise this equation. Now we have to determine whether ROTS Sidious is what fraction of DE Sidious, since DE Sidious is definately mightier than ROTS Sidious, and is the most powerful Sith the universe has seen.

Dark Empire says that the "strongest Dark Lord has returned", as this probably is in reference to ROTJ Sidious before his death. ROTJ Sidious is not far from ROTS Sidious, and I would he's maybe only 10% stronger than the ROTS version.

Now I doubt Bane is between that 10% amount that seperates ROTS Sidious and ROTJ Sidious. It's more than likely that Darth Sexy's equation stands valid.

Okay, enough of this logical math argument.

Yoda is the strongest Jedi before Luke's NJO Academy, only which probably two people have surpassed Yoda, Luke himself and Jacen Solo. He also has a defense for every Dark Side technique, and considering his power with the Force, it's likely he can do this to combat a high magnitude of Dark Side Force energy.

Moving a moon or collapsing an entire temple will absolutely do no good on Yoda. Yoda’s incredibly fast and can jump extremely high, so throwing debris to crush him is no good.
Head on head combat is also pointless against Yoda as well. Considerably Yoda’s incredibly skill with the lightsaber, a contest with the Grandmaster is not going end on victorious terms with formerly named Dessel.

Bane’s best chance is with the Force, but considering Yoda’s defense and speed, I’ll have to give this fight to the Jedi Granddady of em’ All!

Originally posted by General Kenobl

Dark Empire says that the "strongest Dark Lord has returned", as this probably is in reference to ROTJ Sidious before his death. ROTJ Sidious is not far from ROTS Sidious, and I would he's maybe only 10% stronger than the ROTS version.

Anyways, Sidious is the most powerful sith, yoda is just as powerful, so it rules yoda > bane. Yoda lifted an entire mountain according to lightsnake who wouldnt lie

Sith'Ari, give it a rest....just....enough

Originally posted by Kadesh
Actually ROTJ sidious is like 15% stronger than ROTS sidious. He studied nihilus ultra death field during the 19 year gap and many other powers as well thus becoming stronger in the force, FOC backs this up bigtime. Lol and wouldnt that make vader 90-95% of ROTS sidious whom is already the strongest sith lord according to the NEC?

Anyways, Sidious is the most powerful sith, yoda is just as powerful, so it rules yoda > bane. Yoda lifted an entire mountain according to lightsnake who wouldnt lie

Actually, it was the top of a mountain, not the entire one, or so I believe!

Well i didnt watch the cartoons so idk for sure, You got a video of it?

Why this has become a dumb post (and it's not just because I'm giving my 2 cents! lol):

You all are looking at only a couple factors on which to base your premises: Force power, dueling prowess, and... well, that's about it.

The dumbest argument you can make is: "so-and-so lifted a mountain, moon, airplane, or whatever and is therefore more powerful because another so-and-so didn't do the same feat."

The second dumbest argument is: "Person X > Person Y. Person Y > Person Z. Therefore Person X > Person Z." People are not mathematical equations, I'm afraid. If this is the basis for your opinion, then fine. But don't try to mask your opinion with "math-supported equations" so as to pass off your opinion as if it's "beyond-a-shadow-of-doubt" fact.

An important factor you are leaving out is "circumstance." What is the scenario of the fight? Are they fighting in the dark? In outerspace? Under water? Are they tired from a previous fight? Did one just witness someone close to him getting killed? I say this because the environment and circumstances matter. Would Vader have been able to save Luke if there were no shaft to toss Palpatine down? Maybe... maybe not...

The arguments you all are making are the same ones that sports writers make every week: "Team X beat Team Y, who also beat Team Z. Therefore, Team X has to be better than Team Z." Then teams X and Z play, and Team Z beats the crap out of Team X because they were playing in Team Z's home and Team X was missing two of their star players.

I know this isn't a sports forum, but let's use some logic and (better yet) common sense. Palpatine = Baddest Sith Lord ever. Palpatine > Vader. Therefore Vader shouldn't be able to destroy Palpatine. Going by the movies only (I'm excluding EU), Vader does, in fact, destroy Sidious even though he's killed in the process himself.

My point is that anyone can win "on any given Sunday." It just depends on the circumstances. So... let's bring back the original question: Who wins between Yoda and Darth Bane? It depends. Can you specify the cirumstances of the fight?

The second dumbest argument is: "Person X > Person Y. Person Y > Person Z. Therefore Person X > Person Z." People are not mathematical equations, I'm afraid. If this is the basis for your opinion, then fine. But don't try to mask your opinion with "math-supported equations" so as to pass off your opinion as if it's "beyond-a-shadow-of-doubt" fact.

The rules of logic apply in Star Wars as well. And it is not an opinionated equation if logic proves the statement that X >Z.

An important factor you are leaving out is "circumstance." What is the scenario of the fight? Are they fighting in the dark? In outerspace? Under water? Are they tired from a previous fight? Did one just witness someone close to him getting killed? I say this because the environment and circumstances matter. Would Vader have been able to save Luke if there were no shaft to toss Palpatine down? Maybe... maybe not...

Typically, in a Vs. Match, the setting is in a neutral arena (typically flat) or in the Jedi Temple Training Area. Both oppnents see each other, recognize them as enemies, and they are facing across from each other. This way, no element of surprise can come in.

PK, you know damn well that A>B>C arguments are typically 100% invalid, unless its an extreme case, e.g. A padawan can beat a youngling, Anakin can beat a padawan, so Anakin can beat a youngling...in these rare cases it works, but usually they're crap. Like Anakin tooled Cin Drallig, and OB1 unfortunately OB1 beat Anakin, however, there is no evidence to support that OB1 could beat Cin, the battle master.

Nupe, i actually commend you on your post. Common sense is something that has been missing from debates here for awhile from many people. It's refreshing to see for a change.

Anyways, I would have to say Yoda. He's the most powerful up until Luke and has MOUNDS of experience, which is obviously a big factor if fighting (ie OB1 and Anakin), couple that with the fact that Yoda's most likely more powerful than Bane, and it's over for Bane.

For Planet, as Justin Timberlake and N'sync would say, its Bye Bye Bye for Bane. *does the queer dance moves from that video* Yoda's bringing sexy back...and its green!

PK, you know damn well that A>B>C arguments are typically 100% invalid, unless its an extreme case, e.g. A padawan can beat a youngling, Anakin can beat a padawan, so Anakin can beat a youngling...in these rare cases it works, but usually they're crap. Like Anakin tooled Cin Drallig, and OB1 unfortunately OB1 beat Anakin, however, there is no evidence to support that OB1 could beat Cin, the battle master.

I'll show you my logical steps Subjekt to see if you concur with my reasoning:

Let Sidious=Yoda (this is true)

Now I'll do a Modus Ponens:

If P, then Q.
P.
Therefore Q.

P, the antecedent, is “Sidious and Bane fight”
Q, the conclusion, is “Then Sidious is the victor.”

So, the statement is, “If Sidious and Bane fight, then Sidious is the victor.”

Well here’s some crude logic, but let us replace Sidious with Yoda by the Substitution Property.

So by Modus Ponens, we have “Yoda and Bane fight”, which represents the P. Therefore we get Q, which is “then Yoda is the victor.”

Does it make sense?

I agree that A>B>C arguments are flawed, but some are valid.

My basic point to Nupe is that logic applies in VS. fights as well.

Must you really make it seem so difficult? 99% of the people on here are under 18, and even the older guys don't always have common sense. Just put it in simple terms.
Sidious>Bane
Yoda=Sidious
therefore:
Yoda>Bane
And A>B>C arguments work sometimes.

Yes, I just made mine a bit more technical.

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Yes, I just made mine a bit more technical.

And was being a psuedointellectual by copying and pasting, only replacing things here and there. "IT DUNT TAEK A GENIE ARSE, YA KNOW! ERSATZ FTW!"

Errr......uh huh, w/e you say.

Originally posted by Advent
And was being a psuedointellectual by copying and pasting, only replacing things here and there. "IT DUNT TAEK A GENIE ARSE, YA KNOW! ERSATZ FTW!"

Good Buddha! "Pseudointellectual", rather.

Errr

No, "Advent".

......uh huh, w/e you say.

I know it is whatever I say.

She's right.

More like nuts if you ask me....

Did somebody say "Gideon's nuts"? 😄

shakes his head

"WHY oh WHY!!!!"""

Ok, you guys are freaking dumb, even if there are actually statements that prove that Yoda is more powerful than Bane (there aren't), they're retconned by just observing what the characters actually do and using logic. Now Yoda's a muppet, a clown, he struggled holding something up with the force that was roughly a gazillionth of the weight of a moon, something Bane was able to pull out of orbit (that's right, he didn't just move the moon, he moved it out of its orbit, in defiance of gravity).