Storm vs X-Factor

Originally posted by Brian Oswald
so LT > Storm?

Of course. Why the sarcasm? What I said about Storm possibly beating Dr. STrange is completely plausible. I am saying if she can strike him with lightning before he can get off a spell, he loses. This would be the same for Dr. STrange vs. Candra or Invisible Woman or anyone. If you are going to fight this guy, unless you are something like Hela or Loki, you want to hit him before he can get an attack off. Photon would beat Dr. STrange (though I think he is more powerful than she) because of her speed, IMHO.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Of course. Why the sarcasm? What I said about Storm possibly beating Dr. STrange is completely plausible. I am saying if she can strike him with lightning before he can get off a spell, he loses. This would be the same for Dr. STrange vs. Candra or Invisible Woman or anyone. If you are going to fight this guy, unless you are something like Hela or Loki, you want to hit him before he can get an attack off. Photon would beat Dr. STrange (though I think he is more powerful than she) because of her speed, IMHO.

incase you didnt know
strange does have auto shields that have hindered a speed blitz in teh past

Originally posted by Rutog98
Of course. Why the sarcasm? What I said about Storm possibly beating Dr. STrange is completely plausible. I am saying if she can strike him with lightning before he can get off a spell, he loses. This would be the same for Dr. STrange vs. Candra or Invisible Woman or anyone. If you are going to fight this guy, unless you are something like Hela or Loki, you want to hit him before he can get an attack off. Photon would beat Dr. STrange (though I think he is more powerful than she) because of her speed, IMHO.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
incase you didnt know
strange does have auto shields that have hindered a speed blitz in teh past

Would it protect him from Photon's energy forms or just from someone like Quicksilver (who is VERY slow compared to Photon)? Photon can just pass through most shields. I have not seen her against magic though.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Would it protect him from Photon's energy forms or just from someone like Quicksilver (who is VERY slow compared to Photon)? Photon can just pass through most shields. I have not seen her against magic though.

i believe so
it has blocked some pertty hard anus attacks
i dont think photon would be much of a problem
blocking a blitz, atleast

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
i believe so
it has blocked some pertty hard anus attacks
i dont think photon would be much of a problem
blocking a blitz, atleast

I did not know this about him. Wow. He's just gone up in my mind. Thanks!

Thats what I'm sayin'

Man-Thing >>>>>>>>>> LT

talk about Storm's reaction time http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers14.png

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Sersi? Bloodties Exodus? Dr Strange?

Credibility shot to shit right there. Oh wait:

"There is continuity enough for each of the two characters for the battle to swing either way. While Thor did beat Storm pretty easily in Contest of Champions 2, there is certainly enough continuity on Storm's side as well for the battle to just as easily have gone the other way."

"As for Thor trumping Storm in weather control, only if Storm isn't given the full range of her abilities (and I don't mean her full potential as Thor is a joke compared to her full potential. Give Storm her full range of powers at this point in her evolution and she trumps Thor). Given this, she trumps him. Sorry. Thor is not weather control incarnate or anything such thing. Storm is. Her ability to command the forces of nature is purely innate. Thor requires the aid of a dohickey. At times, ignorant writers have had him use the weather without the hammer, but he is certainly not Storm nor does he approach her in the degree of fine-tune control she has over the elements."

"I'm talking about Thor without the OdinForce. I should have specified. OdinForce Thor defeats current Storm, however, STorm can very realistically defeat non-Odin Force Thor."

"Honestly, after reading everything, I don't believe that Thor is more powerful than Storm."

"Personally, I don't think it would be out-of-character for Storm to turm Thor's powers against him."

"Now that I think of it, I don't think Thor has an advantage over STorm at all. I think STorm vs. Thor should be a toss-up with Storm having greater control over the forces of nature and Thor having his other superhuman attributes he can bring to bear. However, Storm evolves and she trounces Thor badly."

There never was any credibility to begin with.

X-Factor wins.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sersi? Bloodties Exodus? Dr Strange?

Credibility shot to shit right there. Oh wait:

"There is continuity enough for each of the two characters for the battle to swing either way. While Thor did beat Storm pretty easily in Contest of Champions 2, there is certainly enough continuity on Storm's side as well for the battle to just as easily have gone the other way."

"As for Thor trumping Storm in weather control, only if Storm isn't given the full range of her abilities (and I don't mean her full potential as Thor is a joke compared to her full potential. Give Storm her full range of powers at this point in her evolution and she trumps Thor). Given this, she trumps him. Sorry. Thor is not weather control incarnate or anything such thing. Storm is. Her ability to command the forces of nature is purely innate. Thor requires the aid of a dohickey. At times, ignorant writers have had him use the weather without the hammer, but he is certainly not Storm nor does he approach her in the degree of fine-tune control she has over the elements."

"I'm talking about Thor without the OdinForce. I should have specified. OdinForce Thor defeats current Storm, however, STorm can very realistically defeat non-Odin Force Thor."

"Honestly, after reading everything, I don't believe that Thor is more powerful than Storm."

"Personally, I don't think it would be out-of-character for Storm to turm Thor's powers against him."

"Now that I think of it, I don't think Thor has an advantage over STorm at all. I think STorm vs. Thor should be a toss-up with Storm having greater control over the forces of nature and Thor having his other superhuman attributes he can bring to bear. However, Storm evolves and she trounces Thor badly."

There never was any credibility to begin with.

X-Factor wins.

True, I did state this recently on another board. However, I read some compelling arguments and had to take into consideration Thor's other powers. I then reconsidered and now think Thor has the advantage over Storm because of his other powers outside of his elemental abilities. I stated very plainly here that I don't think Thor to be the superior elemental. I still stand behind that and I still stand behind Storm at full potential topping Thor based on the fact that she has the potential to have power on Dark Phoenix levels.

In regards to Sersi, Dr. Strange, Bloodties Exodus, it amazing to me how you intentionally misread what I stated. I said that Dr. Strange has the more potent arsenal. I was not aware that he had auto-shields on and all. After finding that out, I agreed that Dr. Strange would just beat her flat out.

In regards to Storm vs. Sersi, I can defend that well.

Bloodties Exodus vs. Storm is another toss-up. Again, I can defend it well.

Originally posted by Rutog98
True, I did state this recently on another board. However, I read some compelling arguments and had to take into consideration Thor's other powers. I then reconsidered and now think Thor has the advantage over Storm because of his other powers outside of his elemental abilities. I stated very plainly here that I don't think Thor to be the superior elemental. I still stand behind that and I still stand behind Storm at full potential topping Thor based on the fact that she has the potential to have power on Dark Phoenix levels.

In regards to Sersi, Dr. Strange, Bloodties Exodus, it amazing to me how you intentionally misread what I stated. I said that Dr. Strange has the more potent arsenal. I was not aware that he had auto-shields on and all. After finding that out, I agreed that Dr. Strange would just beat her flat out.

Originally posted by Rutog98
In regards to Storm vs. Sersi, I can defend that well.

Bloodties Exodus vs. Storm is another toss-up. Again, I can defend it well.

I would like to see just how Storm would beat either Sersi or Exodus, i'm in need of a laugh.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Saying stupid things out of lack of knowledge of the other character doesn't do anything to improve credibility.
Sersi? Bloodties Exodus? Credibility shot to shit right there.

1) The whole purpose of debating is to argue the merits of one character against another to see who truly is the mightier. This means making one or the other party aware of some attributes of certain characters that one may not be aware of.

2) You don't have any credibility when it comes to Storm vs. Sersi or Exodus or anything since you don't give her credit even for things that have been stated and shown about her in continuity. It is your credit that is shot to blazes. You have Storm's power levels set in your head at a certain level and you refuse to accept any continuity that places her above it. You willingly turn a blind eye to it. IT is something that not only the other 3 STorm fans and I have noted about you, but even other posters did as well when I came to this board. I won over a lot of people in the Storm vs. Jean thread when we debated Storm vs. JEan and Storm vs. Magneto. I saw how they commented on it in other threads only to be insulted by you and the other posters who opposed me there.

From what I have posted about Storm vs. Sersi and you can't see how I could call it a 50/50 shows that you are close-minded and ignorant. IF Sersi can only transmute a certain amount of mass without killing herself, Storm can produce precipitation like snow in VAST quantities very easily. In other words, Sersi can't find her. You can forget about Sersi locating Storm telepathically since Storm can hide her minds from telepaths so that they can't locate her. In other words, Sersi is fighting Storm blind while Ororo will ALWAYS know where she is and where to direct her attacks.

Storm vs. Exodus, Exodus might as well forget that he's a telepath. Storm has bested telepaths stronger than Exodus. Its a 50/50 fight because he is a very strong telekinetic. Storm has defenses against telekinetic and she could even use the same strategy against Sersi against this guy. Then she can produce a great amount of force with her elemental powers and attack Exodus many different ways. Not only that, but her attacks, like her winds, are very long lasting. They hit perpetually and with tremendous force. Furthermore, it doesn't tire out Storm. For instance, she creates a storm and is rendered unconscious, her storm attack will continue on its own even if she is unconscious since nature continues it for her. This happens till it runs out of steam or she decides to stop it. This gives her a HUGE advantage against any telekinetic since a psi has to continually use their power and concentration to try and attack another opponent and shield themselves.

You think Jean without the PF>Storm. That is a complete joke right there. Without the PF, Jean Grey isn't even that powerful. Storm, on the other hand, is vastly powerful. There is no refuting that.

I mean, you try and state that STorm is at her full potential right now. I argued that its been stated that she will one day evolve into a true goddess in X-Treme issue 5. You tried very hard to ignore that issue till I kept shoving it in your face and even had to quote the issue in front of everyone till you finally (and grudginly) went along with it. Chris Claremont stated in very plain english that STorm's powers were about equal to that of Phoenix's in the 80s, but you always want to ignore that. HE wrote a story which firmly established that Storm can potentially wield power on the level of Dark Phoenix's. You wanted to ignore that.

I'm going to tell you now, if you have a Phoenix-level elemental, then they are easily in the power class I discuss no here. It is not far fetched and this is why Storm has been written to be near unbeatable in so many stories.

Originally posted by Rutog98
1) The whole purpose of debating is to argue the merits of one character against another to see who truly is the mightier. This means making one or the other party aware of some attributes of certain characters that one may not be aware of.

2) You don't have any credibility when it comes to Storm vs. Sersi or Exodus or anything since you don't give her credit even for things that have been stated and shown about her in continuity. It is your credit that is shot to blazes. You have Storm's power levels set in your head at a certain level and you refuse to accept any continuity that places her above it. You willingly turn a blind eye to it. IT is something that not only the other 3 STorm fans and I have noted about you, but even other posters did as well when I came to this board. I won over a lot of people in the Storm vs. Jean thread when we debated Storm vs. JEan and Storm vs. Magneto. I saw how they commented on it in other threads only to be insulted by you and the other posters who opposed me there.

From what I have posted about Storm vs. Sersi and you can't see how I could call it a 50/50 shows that you are close-minded and ignorant. IF Sersi can only transmute a certain amount of mass without killing herself, Storm can produce precipitation like snow in VAST quantities very easily. In other words, Sersi can't find her. You can forget about Sersi locating Storm telepathically since Storm can hide her minds from telepaths so that they can't locate her. In other words, Sersi is fighting Storm blind while Ororo will ALWAYS know where she is and where to direct her attacks.

Storm vs. Exodus, Exodus might as well forget that he's a telepath. Storm has bested telepaths stronger than Exodus. Its a 50/50 fight because he is a very strong telekinetic. Storm has defenses against telekinetic and she could even use the same strategy against Sersi against this guy. Then she can produce a great amount of force with her elemental powers and attack Exodus many different ways. Not only that, but her attacks, like her winds, are very long lasting. They hit perpetually and with tremendous force. Furthermore, it doesn't tire out Storm. For instance, she creates a storm and is rendered unconscious, her storm attack will continue on its own even if she is unconscious since nature continues it for her. This happens till it runs out of steam or she decides to stop it. This gives her a HUGE advantage against any telekinetic since a psi has to continually use their power and concentration to try and attack another opponent and shield themselves.

You think Jean without the PF>Storm. That is a complete joke right there. Without the PF, Jean Grey isn't even that powerful. Storm, on the other hand, is vastly powerful. There is no refuting that.

I mean, you try and state that STorm is at her full potential right now. I argued that its been stated that she will one day evolve into a true goddess in X-Treme issue 5. You tried very hard to ignore that issue till I kept shoving it in your face and even had to quote the issue in front of everyone till you finally (and grudginly) went along with it. Chris Claremont stated in very plain english that STorm's powers were about equal to that of Phoenix's in the 80s, but you always want to ignore that. HE wrote a story which firmly established that Storm can potentially wield power on the level of Dark Phoenix's. You wanted to ignore that.

I'm going to tell you now, if you have a Phoenix-level elemental, then they are easily in the power class I discuss no here. It is not far fetched and this is why Storm has been written to be near unbeatable in so many stories.

Your post was a bit long, But I must disagree with you on one point, jean without the PF is still as powerful or more than Storm. Jean was able to hold an entire what ever that was that Magneto tried to drop on the xmen at illyana's funeral. She was also able to hold the juggernaut at bay.

Originally posted by Rutog98
1) The whole purpose of debating is to argue the merits of one character against another to see who truly is the mightier. This means making one or the other party aware of some attributes of certain characters that one may not be aware of.

2) You don't have any credibility when it comes to Storm vs. Sersi or Exodus or anything since you don't give her credit even for things that have been stated and shown about her in continuity. It is your credit that is shot to blazes. You have Storm's power levels set in your head at a certain level and you refuse to accept any continuity that places her above it. You willingly turn a blind eye to it. IT is something that not only the other 3 STorm fans and I have noted about you, but even other posters did as well when I came to this board. I won over a lot of people in the Storm vs. Jean thread when we debated Storm vs. JEan and Storm vs. Magneto. I saw how they commented on it in other threads only to be insulted by you and the other posters who opposed me there.

From what I have posted about Storm vs. Sersi and you can't see how I could call it a 50/50 shows that you are close-minded and ignorant. IF Sersi can only transmute a certain amount of mass without killing herself, Storm can produce precipitation like snow in VAST quantities very easily. In other words, Sersi can't find her. You can forget about Sersi locating Storm telepathically since Storm can hide her minds from telepaths so that they can't locate her. In other words, Sersi is fighting Storm blind while Ororo will ALWAYS know where she is and where to direct her attacks.

Storm vs. Exodus, Exodus might as well forget that he's a telepath. Storm has bested telepaths stronger than Exodus. Its a 50/50 fight because he is a very strong telekinetic. Storm has defenses against telekinetic and she could even use the same strategy against Sersi against this guy. Then she can produce a great amount of force with her elemental powers and attack Exodus many different ways. Not only that, but her attacks, like her winds, are very long lasting. They hit perpetually and with tremendous force. Furthermore, it doesn't tire out Storm. For instance, she creates a storm and is rendered unconscious, her storm attack will continue on its own even if she is unconscious since nature continues it for her. This happens till it runs out of steam or she decides to stop it. This gives her a HUGE advantage against any telekinetic since a psi has to continually use their power and concentration to try and attack another opponent and shield themselves.

You think Jean without the PF>Storm. That is a complete joke right there. Without the PF, Jean Grey isn't even that powerful. Storm, on the other hand, is vastly powerful. There is no refuting that.

I mean, you try and state that STorm is at her full potential right now. I argued that its been stated that she will one day evolve into a true goddess in X-Treme issue 5. You tried very hard to ignore that issue till I kept shoving it in your face and even had to quote the issue in front of everyone till you finally (and grudginly) went along with it. Chris Claremont stated in very plain english that STorm's powers were about equal to that of Phoenix's in the 80s, but you always want to ignore that. HE wrote a story which firmly established that Storm can potentially wield power on the level of Dark Phoenix's. You wanted to ignore that.

I'm going to tell you now, if you have a Phoenix-level elemental, then they are easily in the power class I discuss no here. It is not far fetched and this is why Storm has been written to be near unbeatable in so many stories.

montrail
2damnloud
HandofFate
The Weather God

Oh and don't shiv on occasion. Who really posts nothing more than rambling gibberish.

That is all. You've convinced no one that Storm would beat Magneto. Zero. Zilch. Other than the same fanboys who pretty much always think Storm wins. Nor Jean Grey that I can recall. Do go and find these scores of other people.

Sersi doesn't need to transmute the Earth to beat Storm. All she has to do is turn her into a donkey. Or blast her with her eyes. Or just fly at her and punch her with strength that KOed Hercules.

Bloodties Exodus simultaneously fought the Avengers and X-Men including Storm while simultaneously exerting telepathic influence over Genosha and crushing the island nation.

I didn't state anything about her being at full potential. Writers could upgrade her whenever they want, but specious speculation about things she's never done are worthless. I didn't go along with anything, a single passing line "I'm not there yet." means she's going to be an abstract? 🙄

She doesn't stand a prayer against Bloodties Exodus or Sersi.

i personally think that storm in this instance is totally doomed. firstly she is out numbered. secondally she is fighting a group of charcters with a wide range of powers. while storm does have an advantage that she can fly both polaris and quicksilver can fly ( even though he cant maintain his flight) as for ground wise storm is out numbered. oh and if she does use to the tornado on the group it will just spawn more mulltipple men

You and your side tried to argue that Storm's greatest winds are 300 mph. When I bring up instances (like her lifting a skyscraper), you try to argue that she can't really lift one even when other posters posted the picture. That was just LAUGHABLE. Were you the guy who stated that Storm was not lifting it, but pushing it down after Torch destroyed everything that was holding it up? I remember that and I made a fool out of you (or whoever said that as it clearly went against what was stated and shown in the issue.)The winds came from underneath tht ebuilding and lifted it into the sky. Storm was flying in the air with the building suspended ABOVE her with her winds. LOL! She flew from New Orleans to New York in a matter of minutes. You wanted to ignore that. She redirected Sienna Blazes full power with her winds and electricity and you wanted to ignore that. By the way, Sienna Blaze throws FAR more powerful blasts or anything than Exodus or Sersi. Her powers are more one-dimension, but for sheer power and strength, she is more powerful than either Magneto or Exodus and Storm redirected her full power. She smashed MAgneto's force-field with her winds. IT was very silly and hiliarious how you and your side tried to argue that she could not and did not in that issue. You people could not even stick to a story as I punched holes in all of you foolish arguments. You tried to say that he dropped the force field right before she dropped her tornado after she had given him warning that she going to use a very powerful attack besides her lightning. That was too ridiculous and I harped on it so much that you had to drop it. This is true especially since I asked you to point out the panel where he was shown without his force-field before the tornado. Then your side tried to argue that he dropped his force field so he could absorb her bioelectric blasts. Yet, I pointed out how he stuck his hand through his force-field just like the picture showed. You ignored the entire issue there just to try and get around Storm knocking down his force-field. Then you tried arguing that he withstood and bested Phoenix and Phoenix is way beyond STorm. That didn't work because in the same issue, Storm overpowered and nearly killed him. For the coup de fras, 2damnloud posted the Claremont interview that stated Storm's powers were equal to Phoenix's and I stated how Claremont posted on a board a few years ago that Storm and Phoenix were equals and each had the power and will to end life on the planet. He further stated that they held each other in check.

Then you got very silly and tried to say that MAgneto could block Galactus. I agreed and stated that Galactus is stronger than STorm and yes Magneto did block a blast from him. However, that blast obvously just a VERY small fraction of his power since it would be PIS for Magneto do block anything more and that Storm was FAR more powerful than that blast. It did not even do much damage to the area. Sienna Blaze throws much stronger blasts than what Galactus did. I am not even convinced that Galactus' blast was stronger than one of Gambits charged cards in that instance as no measurement or statement of the blast's power was stated.

Then you tried to aruge the atomic bomb crap. BTW, that is PIS since the extreme heat should have nullified his field. However, I let it slide. You tried the argue that being stronger than Storm's winds by limiting her winds to the 300 mph thing though she had accomplished many feats by generating winds FAR stronger than that. In other words, you are trying to put her winds in a category and say they CAN"T be this strong because if they are, they kill your argument despite the fact that we cannot put limits on Storm's winds. We just have to give them the credit for what they are able to accomplish in the comics since she goes far beyond the scope of any real life hurricane or tornado scale or model pretty regularly.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your post was a bit long, But I must disagree with you on one point, jean without the PF is still as powerful or more than Storm. Jean was able to hold an entire what ever that was that Magneto tried to drop on the xmen at illyana's funeral. She was also able to hold the juggernaut at bay.

Jean did not do this. MAgneto's powers were still holding it up, however, the more he was being hurt in the fight, the less fiorm his grip became. JEan tried to add her power to his, but it was too much for her.

Also Storm is more powerful than Magneto. Magneto has even stated that Storm can beat him if she did not hold back.

Originally posted by rougeredmage
i personally think that storm in this instance is totally doomed. firstly she is out numbered. secondally she is fighting a group of charcters with a wide range of powers. while storm does have an advantage that she can fly both polaris and quicksilver can fly ( even though he cant maintain his flight) as for ground wise storm is out numbered. oh and if she does use to the tornado on the group it will just spawn more mulltipple men

The tornado will take out all the other members of the group. If MM is the only one left, she just instantly freezes him and all of his dupes. MM is nothing for Storm to handle.

Originally posted by Rutog98
You and your side tried to argue that Storm's greatest winds are 300 mph. When I bring up instances (like her lifting a skyscraper), you try to argue that she can't really lift one even when other posters posted the picture. That was just LAUGHABLE. Were you the guy who stated that Storm was not lifting it, but pushing it down after Torch destroyed everything that was holding it up? I remember that and I made a fool out of you (or whoever said that as it clearly went against what was stated and shown in the issue.)The winds came from underneath tht ebuilding and lifted it into the sky. Storm was flying in the air with the building suspended ABOVE her with her winds. LOL! She flew from New Orleans to New York in a matter of minutes. You wanted to ignore that. She redirected Sienna Blazes full power with her winds and electricity and you wanted to ignore that. By the way, Sienna Blaze throws FAR more powerful blasts or anything than Exodus or Sersi. Her powers are more one-dimension, but for sheer power and strength, she is more powerful than either Magneto or Exodus and Storm redirected her full power. She smashed MAgneto's force-field with her winds. IT was very silly and hiliarious how you and your side tried to argue that she could not and did not in that issue. You people could not even stick to a story as I punched holes in all of you foolish arguments. You tried to say that he dropped the force field right before she dropped her tornado after she had given him warning that she going to use a very powerful attack besides her lightning. That was too ridiculous and I harped on it so much that you had to drop it. This is true especially since I asked you to point out the panel where he was shown without his force-field before the tornado. Then your side tried to argue that he dropped his force field so he could absorb her bioelectric blasts. Yet, I pointed out how he stuck his hand through his force-field just like the picture showed. You ignored the entire issue there just to try and get around Storm knocking down his force-field. Then you tried arguing that he withstood and bested Phoenix and Phoenix is way beyond STorm. That didn't work because in the same issue, Storm overpowered and nearly killed him. For the coup de fras, 2damnloud posted the Claremont interview that stated Storm's powers were equal to Phoenix's and I stated how Claremont posted on a board a few years ago that Storm and Phoenix were equals and each had the power and will to end life on the planet. He further stated that they held each other in check.

Then you got very silly and tried to say that MAgneto could block Galactus. I agreed and stated that Galactus is stronger than STorm and yes Magneto did block a blast from him. However, that blast obvously just a VERY small fraction of his power since it would be PIS for Magneto do block anything more and that Storm was FAR more powerful than that blast. It did not even do much damage to the area. Sienna Blaze throws much stronger blasts than what Galactus did. I am not even convinced that Galactus' blast was stronger than one of Gambits charged cards in that instance as no measurement or statement of the blast's power was stated.

Then you tried to aruge the atomic bomb crap. BTW, that is PIS since the extreme heat should have nullified his field. However, I let it slide. You tried the argue that being stronger than Storm's winds by limiting her winds to the 300 mph thing though she had accomplished many feats by generating winds FAR stronger than that. In other words, you are trying to put her winds in a category and say they CAN"T be this strong because if they are, they kill your argument despite the fact that we cannot put limits on Storm's winds. We just have to give them the credit for what they are able to accomplish in the comics since she goes far beyond the scope of any real life hurricane or tornado scale or model pretty regularly.

Still waiting for the scores and scores of people who you've "convinced" that Storm beats Magneto. 🙂