Sersi vs Storm

Originally posted by Rutog98
I know what Sersi can do, but though she is highly resistant to injury,she is not immune to harm.

Originally posted by Rutog98
At Xmarksthespot, it is not always huge power displays that wins the fight. Sometimes, imagination will do it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Storm is not immune to telepathy, only resistant to it. The assertion that she'd be completely invisible to Sersi's telepathy is baseless.
I don't really consider turning someone into a pig incredibly flashy or extravagant. But it's enough to do the trick. Or simply incinerating someone with eyebeams. Tends to be a lot faster than making a snowstorm that manages to somehow completely blind Sersi, somehow before she can do anything whatsoever despite her speed.

The snow storm was not how I was having STorm begin the fight. Storm herself can glow up brightly enough to blind people. All Storm has to do is glow while summoning her blizzard at the same time. The light will blind her. I used this tactic to avoid the whole debate as to who can hit faster: Storm's blizzard or Sersi's transmutation of Storm. The blinding light trick is a quick and easy thing to do and something that's clever as its unexpected. Turning someone into a pig is much more complex as you have to manipulate their atomic structure for that feat.

Sersi hitting Sorm with eye beams, is not a strong argument. Storm dodges energy blasts all the time.

That said, I rethought this. The whole snow storm thing is one scenerio. The fight can go much more easily than that. What it comes down to is this: who can get the other first with STorm and her winds vs. Sersi and her transmutation power. If they hit each other at the same time, Sersi wins as Storm does not have a weapon in her arsenal that will take out Sersi on impact as quickly as Sersi's powers would take out Storm on impact.

If Storm gets her winds up, Sersi would be spinning in a whirlwind continually and unable to muster her concentration to work her powers on Storm or even know where to direct her powers. Don't bother bringing up the Hulk thing during Onslaught as that was PIS.

To Storm's credit, her winds can very easily imitate an extreme class 100 strength character as she can move thousands of tons effortlessly. In fact, her winds are in many ways worse than this type of character as they can pummel you from every direction, lift all the objects in the area and hurl them at ungodly velocities which hit with tremendous force and they are unrelenting. If a class 100 strength character were to punch Sersi over and over, she will pass out. There is no disputing this. The same would hold true for Storm's winds. She could trap Sersi in her winds and dash her against mountainsides, the ground while at the same time lifting boulders and shrapnel in the area and pounding Sersi with them from all directions. Spinning as Sersi is throughout all of this, she can't recover and she will pass out after enough punishment as the winds are going to be smashing Sersi around with the force of extreme class 100 strength chracters continually.

Now, if Sersi hit Storm with her transmutation power at the very beginning, she obviously trounces Ororo. It really depends on that first second of the fight. Storm would have to be clever and do something that would catch Sersi off guard or blind her or something. The longer the fight goes, the more it swings in Ororo's favor.

Here is an alternative to the blizzard attach Ororo could use against Sersi and one that is more simplistic and would mostly likely end the battle faster. Of course, Storm could snow blind her before using these tactics. 😉

For those of you who think this fight was a quick open in close thing for Sersi, I hope that I am getting you to rethink it. Back in the X-Factor vs. Storm thread, I went into detail as to why its hard to match people up against STorm. Either you have power that so easily trumps her that you beat her easily or, if she can beat you, most likely, her powers counters yours very well and she can trump you easily. Its very hard to find someone who is a 50/50 against Storm considering all of the aspects of her powers and all that she can bring to bear in a fight. She doesn't always have to rely on sheer power alone. Her powers are so diverse, she can be very creative with them like this glowing up business I'm using here at the first second of the fight. This is a tactic she used against Cyclops in X-Men issue 60 to blind him so he could not shoot his beam.

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
What if she goes all 'Day after tommorow' in the Atmosphere. It would kill her, but Sersi would also die presumably ?

How is a storm going to kill an Eternal, who can't really be killed at all? Besides, the Eternals can fly through space unprotected. I don't think that cold weather can hurt them if they can survive in space.

First off, when has Storm ever glowed incandescent to brighter than the sun?
Second, why would Sersi be doing nothing to protect herself from this?
Third, matter transmutation may be complex, but Sersi with her thousands of years of experience can and does transmute matter with ease.
Fourth Sersi still wouldn't be blind, she's penetrated Adam Warlock's psychic defences, Storm being resistant to telepathy does not make her immune or invisible to it.

And finally Sersi can transmute and manipulate matter on a large scale "without killing herself".

Not that she even needs to, to win this.

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1) STorm has glowed brighter than the sun on a number of occassions. I can remember when she destroyed the Cairn in the Uncanny issue where Kierrok attacked the team. What does this have to do with anything?

2) What can Sersi do to protect herself from this? What is she going to do to stop a blizzard or Storm's winds?

3) I know that she has thousands of years of experience, but it is still much more complex than what Storm is doing and Ororo can do her stuff innately. Sersi came by her mastery over thousands of years of experience while Storm innately knows how to work her powers.

4) Adam Warlock and Storm are two different characters. The only thing this makes me aware of is Storm's defenses are stronger than Warlock's unless Adam was written down for Sersi which makes it PIS. Sersi is no Shadow King, Xavier or the Entity as a telepath. Not by any stretch of the the imagination. If you think Sersi can take out Xavier or Shadow King in psi combat, start up a Sersi vs. Xavier or Shadow King thread and restrict Sersi to her telepathy only and lets see how far you go. I know my Xavier and Shadow King history very well. You better have some telepathic feats from Sersi that are enormous for that one. Sersi does not have the telepathic feats for that kind of thread. Storm's defenses are too much even for these.

5) That stunt is not a massive scale. We are comparing her with Storm here. She merely took out a bridge by manipulating some of the water from the river or bay (I don't remember all the details of that issue very well. Its been years since I've read it). Storm controls FAR more volume than that effortlessly. If you are going to try and argue volume between STorm and Sersi, Ororo has SErsi beaten here so bad that its a joke. Sersi would be very foolish if she tried to affect the volume Ororo can. She dies WAY WAY WAY before Storm reaches her limits. It was during the Brides of Set story arc where the Avengers were confronted with a massive sea beast (think Godzilla) and the team asked if Sersi could transform it into a goldfish or something. She said the thing had far too much mass and the strain of trying to transmute something that big would kill her. The snow Ororo can generate in no time flat in a blizzard is going to have much more mass than Godzilla.

Sersi is very powerful, however, Storm has the right mix of powers and moxie to win this. I called the fight a 50/50.

Originally posted by Rutog98
1) STorm has glowed brighter than the sun on a number of occassions. I can remember when she destroyed the Cairn in the Uncanny issue where Kierrok attacked the team. What does this have to do with anything?

Originally posted by Rutog98
2) What can Sersi do to protect herself from this? What is she going to do to stop a blizzard or Storm's winds?

Originally posted by Rutog98
3) I know that she has thousands of years of experience, but it is still much more complex than what Storm is doing and Ororo can do her stuff innately. Sersi came by her mastery over thousands of years of experience while Storm innately knows how to work her powers.

She can transmute Thor, but no she's gonna have to ponder a while because it's Storm. 😐

Originally posted by Rutog98
4) Adam Warlock and Storm are two different characters. The only thing this makes me aware of is Storm's defenses are stronger than Warlock's unless Adam was written down for Sersi which makes it PIS. Sersi is no Shadow King, Xavier or the Entity as a telepath. Not by any stretch of the the imagination. If you think Sersi can take out Xavier or Shadow King in psi combat, start up a Sersi vs. Xavier or Shadow King thread and restrict Sersi to her telepathy only and lets see how far you go. I know my Xavier and Shadow King history very well. You better have some telepathic feats from Sersi that are enormous for that one. Sersi does not have the telepathic feats for that kind of thread. Storm's defenses are too much even for these.

Originally posted by Rutog98
5) That stunt is not a massive scale. We are comparing her with Storm here. She merely took out a bridge by manipulating some of the water from the river or bay (I don't remember all the details of that issue very well. Its been years since I've read it). Storm controls FAR more volume than that effortlessly. If you are going to try and argue volume between STorm and Sersi, Ororo has SErsi beaten here so bad that its a joke. Sersi would be very foolish if she tried to affect the volume Ororo can. She dies WAY WAY WAY before Storm reaches her limits. It was during the Brides of Set story arc where the Avengers were confronted with a massive sea beast (think Godzilla) and the team asked if Sersi could transform it into a goldfish or something. She said the thing had far too much mass and the strain of trying to transmute something that big would kill her. The snow Ororo can generate in no time flat in a blizzard is going to have much more mass than Godzilla.

Edit: It was a submarine with nukes, she states it's too far away, and that she doesn't understand the mechanics of how the submarine/nukes works. Which contradicts that she has transmuted things from similar distances before and can transmute things without knowing their internal mechanics fully - she can turn a chair into a dog.

She mentions nothing of dying.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Sersi is very powerful, however, Storm has the right mix of powers and moxie to win this. I called the fight a 50/50.

Sersi has long range matter transmutation and superspeed, superstrength, regenerative abilities, telepathy, telekinesis and the list goes on. Storm gets turned into furniture.

This goes to Sersi 10/10. Hardly even a battle.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
This goes to Sersi 10/10. Hardly even a battle.

you ain't kidding. someone is actually defending storm in this fight . . .

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if she had a free, open surprise attack, she is prolly capable of ko'ing sersi, but that would be the ONLY way she could beat sersi . . .

14th spite thread aganst Storm.

LOLOAWLAOWLAOWLOAWL SEWFUNNIE.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Racist!

Anyway, the only way Sersi would lose would be through massive amounts of PIS like her very shitty low showing against Sue. And PIS isn't considered due to forum rules...

Sersi lost to Sue?!? 🤨

When the hell did this happen?!?

I appreciate Rutog for presenting COHERENT arguments as to why Storm may or may not win.

Brilliant post.

Originally posted by Rutog98
1) STorm has glowed brighter than the sun on a number of occassions. I can remember when she destroyed the Cairn in the Uncanny issue where Kierrok attacked the team. What does this have to do with anything?

2) What can Sersi do to protect herself from this? What is she going to do to stop a blizzard or Storm's winds?

3) I know that she has thousands of years of experience, but it is still much more complex than what Storm is doing and Ororo can do her stuff innately. Sersi came by her mastery over thousands of years of experience while Storm innately knows how to work her powers.

4) Adam Warlock and Storm are two different characters. The only thing this makes me aware of is Storm's defenses are stronger than Warlock's unless Adam was written down for Sersi which makes it PIS. Sersi is no Shadow King, Xavier or the Entity as a telepath. Not by any stretch of the the imagination. If you think Sersi can take out Xavier or Shadow King in psi combat, start up a Sersi vs. Xavier or Shadow King thread and restrict Sersi to her telepathy only and lets see how far you go. I know my Xavier and Shadow King history very well. You better have some telepathic feats from Sersi that are enormous for that one. Sersi does not have the telepathic feats for that kind of thread. Storm's defenses are too much even for these.

5) That stunt is not a massive scale. We are comparing her with Storm here. She merely took out a bridge by manipulating some of the water from the river or bay (I don't remember all the details of that issue very well. Its been years since I've read it). Storm controls FAR more volume than that effortlessly. If you are going to try and argue volume between STorm and Sersi, Ororo has SErsi beaten here so bad that its a joke. Sersi would be very foolish if she tried to affect the volume Ororo can. She dies WAY WAY WAY before Storm reaches her limits. It was during the Brides of Set story arc where the Avengers were confronted with a massive sea beast (think Godzilla) and the team asked if Sersi could transform it into a goldfish or something. She said the thing had far too much mass and the strain of trying to transmute something that big would kill her. The snow Ororo can generate in no time flat in a blizzard is going to have much more mass than Godzilla.

Sersi is very powerful, however, Storm has the right mix of powers and moxie to win this. I called the fight a 50/50.

you are a sad soul. Sersi will transmute hi moecules into sh**. Our sersi can teleport her a$$ into space, this fight is not even close, our sersi can incase her in pisonic force shield like Thanos. Sersi 1000/1000

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Edit: It was a submarine with nukes, she states it's too far away, and that she doesn't understand the mechanics of how the submarine/nukes works. Which contradicts that she has transmuted things from similar distances before and can transmute things without knowing their internal mechanics fully - she can turn a chair into a dog.

Storm still gets turned into a flying monkey.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I appreciate Rutog for presenting COHERENT arguments as to why Storm may or may not win.

Brilliant post.

making up powers doesn't count as arguing

so far Storm's fanboys have claimed:
she can dodge light
cause eaethquakes with air the earth's crust
resist high level psycics with ease
manipluate the EM spectrum better than magneto
see people actions before the make them
create a dome of pressure that can stop any attack
control every atom in the earth's atmosphere at will
create winds more powerful than a large nuke
outrace quicksilver
*ramble on for ten minutes*

storm is not a bad character but her fans are straigth out of the nut house

sersi kills her without effort by transforming the air in her lungs into pudding

Sersi would crush Storm 10,0000/10

This is just ridiculous

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Why would a woman who shoots blinding beams from her eyes be blinded by a bright light? 😐
Why would a woman who shoots blinding beams from her eyes be blinded by a bright light? Telepath. Telekinetic. 😐
I'm sorry are you saying that Storm had instant mastery of her abilities from the first moment she manifested powers? Are you saying that Eternals don't know how to work their powers innately? Eternals are born with their gifts, and Sersi has been using them for thousands and thousands of years. She can transmute Storm into a donkey or a pig or a chair with a literal thought. Or snap her fingers and teleport Storm into the ground.

She may be blinded because the light is coming from another source other than her. Anyway, I just stated Storm doing bright light at the very beginning of the fight as an example of somehting clever. She has other things she could do. For instance, in Uncanny 179, she set off thunderclaps around Pyro's, Blob's and Avalanche's heads in order to prevent them from being able to concentrate to use their powers. She did this without even summoning lightning which would make them. That is another clever thing she could do. This is easier than lightning, yet with a snap of Storm's fingers, she can summon multiple strikes at the same time instantly. Sersi is not the only one who can snap her fingers.

Eternals do not know how their powers work innately. They have to expiment and practice a lot for their control. This is why some of them practice one or a few aspects of their power and surpass the others in that area because they focused there. Storm, on the other hand, instinctively knew how to ork her powers from the very beginning.

She can transmute Thor, but no she's gonna have to ponder a while because it's Storm. 😐
Why would a telepath need to be the Shadow King or Xavier to simply detect Storm (and telepaths below these two have psiblasted her and located her anyway.) Storm isn't immune to telepathy a la Psylocke, just resistant to it. That doesn't make her invisible to it.

You better believe that Storm can shield her mind from TP detection. She did this to Psylocke when Psylocke was boosted by Cerebro. Psylocke tried to locate Storm and make contact with her, but Storm shielded her mind from Betsy enhanced by Cerebro. Psis have psi-blasted STorm below these people as PIS. Lobdell/Kelly/Seagle ignored all of Storm's TP defenses so that makes it PIS. She's not going to have anymore trouble transmuting Storm than she did Thor. That is not the issue. The whole thrust of this is who can use their powers creatively to get to the other before they can get gotten to. Storm gets her winds around Sersi (which she can do in no time flat), and Storm wins. Sersi hits STorm with one of her powers and she wins.

She washed away the Brooklyn Bridge with a tidal wave and was going to transmute the air in the city and set it ablaze. Yeh, you don't downplay other characters at all. 🙄
What composes a blizzard? Air? Water? What exactly is the mass of a blizzard?
Is Storm the size of a godzilla creature?

Blizzards can drop millions, billions, even trillions of tons of snow. Obviously Storm is not going to make one the size of a city or anything, but she's been able to generate blizzards capable of burying characters the size of Juggernaut in no time flat. In real life, blizzards that occur that fiercely, but Storm's do. All she has to do is create something like that over say a few square miles. Piece of cake for her considering she can create continent sized blizzards. Storm is not a Godzilla-sized creature, yet you put all that snow in her blizzard together and its going to be FAR more than Godzilla. Sersi will have to transmute that in order to locate Storm if Ororo gets her instant blizzard up. Transmuting the air over a city to set it ablaze is nice, but it has nowhere near the mass or volume of snow.

[/Quote]Edit: It was a submarine with nukes, she states it's too far away, and that she doesn't understand the mechanics of how the submarine/nukes works. Which contradicts that she has transmuted things from similar distances before and can transmute things without knowing their internal mechanics fully - she can turn a chair into a dog.

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This story you mention another story (a 6 six-part one) and one I did not mention (though its one of my favorite Sersi stories. 😉 ) The story I am talking about is during the crossover where the Lemurians captured 7 women to be the brides of Set.

Sersi has long range matter transmutation and superspeed, superstrength, regenerative abilities, telepathy, telekinesis and the list goes on. Storm gets turned into furniture.

You actually left out some of Sersi's abilities here. lol. I know the character very well as she is my favorite female Avenger. Anyway, just listing her long list of powers doesn't prove anything. How can she use them to outdo Storm's powers. That's the problem. Now you have done this huge post, but you still have not told me how Sersi can protect herself from Storm's winds. I am well aware of Sersi's powers. I also know her weaknesses. First off, she doesn't have any way to anchor herself against Storm's winds. I did not know that she was a telekinetic (I have never seen her power described that way), but it doesn't matter. Sersi's TK and TP are not even worth mentioning in this fight as Sersi is nowhere near strong in these areas to challenge Storm. Ororo is a Claremontian Woman. lol. In the X-World, you have psis like White Queen, Shadow King, Xavier, Candra etc. Storm has proven her merits against psis of this calibur. These people are way beyond Sersi in their TP and/or TK abilities. Sersi has all of those powers, but she cannot wield any of them to withstand Ororo's winds. Storm's winds alone makes her one of the most deadly advasaries on the planet. Storm's blizzard nullifies all of Sersi's attacks on her as Sersi has to locate her first. Magneto, though weaker than Sersi, has powers that are much better suited for anchoring himself against forces and his powers were even put under tremendous strain to anchor himself against Storm's winds. Jean Grey has had a lot of trouble with this as well when Ororo's winds were not even directed at her and all she got was just a taste of what STorm was dishing out.

Storm's winds will easily cover the battlefield (she has stopped hemisphere-sized hurricanes cold). She gets Sersi in that and the fight is over. What is all boils down to is can Sersi hit her with something before Storm hits her with the winds.

Sersi will tag storm a$$ every time, Eternals can teleport at will. Sersi can tag Storm miles away or cast illusion to fool storm into thinking she defeated Seris and then bam storm is turn into a chip-muck.

Sersi beats her 1000/1000

Originally posted by Rutog98

She's faster than Storm. She has incredibly high mastery of matter transmutation. And a host of other abilities.

Sersi wins every time. I won't be replying to you anymore because your delusions have gone beyond boring me. But you're welcome to continue spouting those delusions. 🙂

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
making up powers doesn't count as arguing

so far Storm's fanboys have claimed:
she can dodge light
cause eaethquakes with air the earth's crust
resist high level psycics with ease
manipluate the EM spectrum better than magneto
see people actions before the make them
create a dome of pressure that can stop any attack
control every atom in the earth's atmosphere at will
create winds more powerful than a large nuke
outrace quicksilver
*ramble on for ten minutes*

storm is not a bad character but her fans are straigth out of the nut house

sersi kills her without effort by transforming the air in her lungs into pudding

In order:

1) She can dodge light speed blasts as she dodged Cyclops' blasts in X-Men issue 60 when he fired them in machine gun fashion. You need to accept it. You don't need to say this anymore.

2) Storm caused an earthquake. That is canon and thus indisputable. I believe she did it by manipulating heat and pressure within the earth. She controls these forces anyway. Its also been stated that she can actually control ALL of the elemental forces on the planet in another issue in canon. Again, you lose credibility when you go on about this.

3) Sersi is no psi in the calibur with what Storm has bested. That said, prior to her electrical powers being expanded to where she can fry telepaths out of her mind, she would have trouble against a psi like Shadow King (but she could beat him) and it would take his full concentration to try and fight her. I can see why Storm fans feel that Ororo can beat even the strongest psis with ease. In Uncanny 277, the Warskrull had the combined powers of Xavier, Psylocke and Oracle. He managed to subdue Storm temporarily, but Storm gave him a fight with willpower alone and he admitted that given time, she would be his hold. Xavier+Psylocke+Oracle= FAR more telepathic power than any single psi. Storm's will was on a growth constant growth curve. This was BEFORE she got the added electrical thing. You need to quite complaining about this as the Storm fans have very strong canonical basis.

4) Nobody is saying that Storm can manipulate magnetism better than Magneto. She has better control over electricity, yes. Also, people on these boards lose credibility when they try and make a big deal about Magneto and his supposed control over the EM spectrum. His primary power is magnetism, people. He's not powerful with anything else. He's EXTREMELY limited at best over related forces.

5) She can see people's actions before they make them. Read X-Trme X-Men issue 13. She can also control technology. Its stated in the issue. 😉

6) I don't know where you got this claim from.

7) She can create winds MUCH stronger than a large nuke. When she redirected Sienna Blaze's blast, you have no idea what that would have taken. Her flying from New Orleans to New York in a matter of minutes on her winds would have generated wind forces hundreds of times stronger than a 100 mph hurricane as winds grow in force geometrically in relation to their velocity. He winds can level mountains. Don't get me started on this because I'll go to town on her winds.

8) I never stated that she can move from place a to b faster than Quicksilve physically. What I stated is Quicksilver is MUCH slower than the speed of though. He runs NOWHERE near that fast. Therefore, Storm can attack him way before he can cover the distance to get to her (and that is if she is on the ground and in his reach). Storm tends to stick to the air in battle and therefore well out of his reach.

9) You are correct. Storm is not a bad character. In fact, she's an awesome character.

10) Sersi can do this to Storm if STorm gives her the chance. The fight is a 50/50.

While I am going on and on about what Storm can do to Sersi, I am merely pointing out why she can win since everyone else is thinking Sersi anyway. I think the fight is a 50/50. The longer it goes, the more it swings in Storm's favor and she gets the advantage.