Well, I was not aware of some of those issues mentioned, however, my original posted about the whole energy field thing was Sersi was not inside of it, but her team was and she was unable to reach them with her powers. That is what I remember anyway. I may be wrong. I said my memory was rusty on it.
@DarkOne: Nobody can be as stupid as you...on purpose. Grow a brain.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Well, I was not aware of some of those issues mentioned, however, my original posted about the whole energy field thing was Sersi was not inside of it, but her team was and she was unable to reach them with her powers. That is what I remember anyway. I may be wrong. I said my memory was rusty on it.@DarkOne: Nobody can be as stupid as you...on purpose. Grow a brain.
I think you got me confuse with yourself, you are one of the stupidities members on the planet. For you too think that Storm can actually beat one of the most powerful beings on the planet, your stupid all the time with your illogical responses how Storm is going to do this and that boy you talk more bullsh** than George W. Bush and I thought that was impossible, now I Know it's possible.
Okay, here is what I am going to say:
There are posts on this with Sersi flying into black holes. Guess what? All Eternals have the ability to negate gravity. Black holes are strong gravitational forces.
You guys keep bringing up power stunts Sersi has done to show how powerful she is. We already know that she's powerful. Believe me, I have plenty of issues with Storm as well that demonstrates massive power levels and that will put her above Sersi in many, but not every way. The reason I did not debate like that is because fights are not always won by greater show of power. For instance, Storm's blizzard over the few square miles that's going to form the battlefield is a very simple and small feat for Storm. Yet it is very effective in this fight as it will neutralize Sersi's transmutation power. NOt only this, but Sersi will not be able to locate Storm to know where to direct her eye beams (which Storm could dodge anyway) or anything whatsoever. The point is, the blizzard totally neutralizes anything Sersi can do to Storm. If she can't locate Storm, how can she hurt Ororo? The question then becomes can Storm take out Sersi before Sersi can locate her with Sersi having no realistic way of finding Storm? If Sersi remains tangible, Storm's winds will hurt her. You are not going to tell me that characters like Wonderman, She-Hulk, Namor, etc can punch Sersi over and over and Sersi isn't going to be hurt. I will agree to the lightning not taking Sersi out while she is tangible because of the negabomb issue. This was why I said pages ago that the lightning would not take her out. I had remembered this issue (though I did not mention it) and took.
In regards to Sersi's force-field, I don't remember it withstanding any great concussive force. So I am not convinced that Storm could not knock it down with a sustained, forceful attack. Even if Sersi's force-field very percussive assaults, you have yet to prove that she can anchor herself against anything near the kind of force that Storm's winds will exert. With that being the case, Storm spins Sersi like a tornado top and breaks the concentration that she needs to maintain her forcefield or do any attack.
If Sersi goes intangible, Storm could most likely hurt her with the lightning then.
On top of this, regardless of the form Sersi is in, she still has to breathe. In case someone tries to bring it up, I know that she gave herself gills once to breathe underwater, but even still, fish need air.
I still stand by my initial assertion: If Storm manages to get past the first second of the fight, the she stands a good chance at winning. The longer the fight goes, the more of an advantage Storm has over Sersi. She gets Sersi with her winds and the fight is over. I don't think the fight will last more than 5 minutes whichever way it goes.
sersi phases or simply ports out of range and alters the molecular structure of the air storm is trying to control. she causes it to combust in a city-sized area, or she transmutes it to acid, or poison, or . . .
she does NOT need to see storm at all, or even affect storm directly -- she can affect a vast area with her powers. that's where you're not giving her credit. no need for force fields, or anchoring, or anything.
and, given sersi's proven ability to actually transmute and affect/control enormous amounts of energy, it seems a WHOLE lot more likely that lightning would NOT harm her were she intangible, (like it didn't harm kitty who lacks both the durability and transmutational/energy control powers of an eternal) than that it might . . .
and she MAY be able to dodge a blast or 2 -- IF she knew it was coming, and IF the barrage was not sustained. i hope you're still not saying the optic beams move ftl though, or that anyone who CAN/HAS dodged the beams is able to dodge or move at ftl speeds . . . 🙁
i'm not saying it takes a large, overwhelming display of power from sersi to win this fight at all. in fact, the opposite is true. nothing is easier for sersi than transmuting. no high end feats need to be brought up at all. her everyday, normal showings (phasing, porting, transmuting, energy control) are more than enough to see her through to the win.
Originally posted by leonidas
sersi phases or simply ports out of range and alters the molecular structure of the air storm is trying to control. she causes it to combust in a city-sized area, or she transmutes it to acid, or poison, or . . .she does NOT need to see storm at all, or even affect storm directly -- she can affect a vast area with her powers. that's where you're not giving her credit. no need for force fields, or anchoring, or anything.
and, given sersi's proven ability to actually transmute and affect/control enormous amounts of energy, it seems a WHOLE lot more likely that lightning would NOT harm her were she intangible, (like it didn't harm kitty who lacks both the durability and transmutational/energy control powers of an eternal) than that it might . . .
and she MAY be able to dodge a blast or 2 -- IF she knew it was coming, and IF the barrage was not sustained. i hope you're still not saying the optic beams move ftl though, or that anyone who CAN/HAS dodged the beams is able to dodge or move at ftl speeds . . . 🙁
i'm not saying it takes a large, overwhelming display of power from sersi to win this fight at all. in fact, the opposite is true. nothing is easier for sersi than transmuting. no high end feats need to be brought up at all. her everyday, normal showings (phasing, porting, transmuting, energy control) are more than enough to see her through to the win.
Damn you read my mind, 👆 ^
Sersi powers are far greater than storm every could be.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Okay, here is what I am going to say:There are posts on this with Sersi flying into black holes. Guess what? All Eternals have the ability to negate gravity. Black holes are strong gravitational forces.
You guys keep bringing up power stunts Sersi has done to show how powerful she is. We already know that she's powerful. Believe me, I have plenty of issues with Storm as well that demonstrates massive power levels and that will put her above Sersi in many, but not every way. The reason I did not debate like that is because fights are not always won by greater show of power. For instance, Storm's blizzard over the few square miles that's going to form the battlefield is a very simple and small feat for Storm. Yet it is very effective in this fight as it will neutralize Sersi's transmutation power. NOt only this, but Sersi will not be able to locate Storm to know where to direct her eye beams (which Storm could dodge anyway) or anything whatsoever. The point is, the blizzard totally neutralizes anything Sersi can do to Storm. If she can't locate Storm, how can she hurt Ororo? The question then becomes can Storm take out Sersi before Sersi can locate her with Sersi having no realistic way of finding Storm? If Sersi remains tangible, Storm's winds will hurt her. You are not going to tell me that characters like Wonderman, She-Hulk, Namor, etc can punch Sersi over and over and Sersi isn't going to be hurt. I will agree to the lightning not taking Sersi out while she is tangible because of the negabomb issue. This was why I said pages ago that the lightning would not take her out. I had remembered this issue (though I did not mention it) and took.
In regards to Sersi's force-field, I don't remember it withstanding any great concussive force. So I am not convinced that Storm could not knock it down with a sustained, forceful attack. Even if Sersi's force-field very percussive assaults, you have yet to prove that she can anchor herself against anything near the kind of force that Storm's winds will exert. With that being the case, Storm spins Sersi like a tornado top and breaks the concentration that she needs to maintain her forcefield or do any attack.
If Sersi goes intangible, Storm could most likely hurt her with the lightning then.
On top of this, regardless of the form Sersi is in, she still has to breathe. In case someone tries to bring it up, I know that she gave herself gills once to breathe underwater, but even still, fish need air.
I still stand by my initial assertion: If Storm manages to get past the first second of the fight, the she stands a good chance at winning. The longer the fight goes, the more of an advantage Storm has over Sersi. She gets Sersi with her winds and the fight is over. I don't think the fight will last more than 5 minutes whichever way it goes.
Your logic is so horrible, it makes Bush look like a genius.
Sersi will phase threw the winds, Sersi wins this fight with in 2 mins.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Okay, here is what I am going to say:There are posts on this with Sersi flying into black holes. Guess what? All Eternals have the ability to negate gravity. Black holes are strong gravitational forces.
You guys keep bringing up power stunts Sersi has done to show how powerful she is. We already know that she's powerful. Believe me, I have plenty of issues with Storm as well that demonstrates massive power levels and that will put her above Sersi in many, but not every way. The reason I did not debate like that is because fights are not always won by greater show of power. For instance, Storm's blizzard over the few square miles that's going to form the battlefield is a very simple and small feat for Storm. Yet it is very effective in this fight as it will neutralize Sersi's transmutation power. NOt only this, but Sersi will not be able to locate Storm to know where to direct her eye beams (which Storm could dodge anyway) or anything whatsoever. The point is, the blizzard totally neutralizes anything Sersi can do to Storm. If she can't locate Storm, how can she hurt Ororo? The question then becomes can Storm take out Sersi before Sersi can locate her with Sersi having no realistic way of finding Storm? If Sersi remains tangible, Storm's winds will hurt her. You are not going to tell me that characters like Wonderman, She-Hulk, Namor, etc can punch Sersi over and over and Sersi isn't going to be hurt. I will agree to the lightning not taking Sersi out while she is tangible because of the negabomb issue. This was why I said pages ago that the lightning would not take her out. I had remembered this issue (though I did not mention it) and took.
In regards to Sersi's force-field, I don't remember it withstanding any great concussive force. So I am not convinced that Storm could not knock it down with a sustained, forceful attack. Even if Sersi's force-field very percussive assaults, you have yet to prove that she can anchor herself against anything near the kind of force that Storm's winds will exert. With that being the case, Storm spins Sersi like a tornado top and breaks the concentration that she needs to maintain her forcefield or do any attack.
If Sersi goes intangible, Storm could most likely hurt her with the lightning then.
On top of this, regardless of the form Sersi is in, she still has to breathe. In case someone tries to bring it up, I know that she gave herself gills once to breathe underwater, but even still, fish need air.
I still stand by my initial assertion: If Storm manages to get past the first second of the fight, the she stands a good chance at winning. The longer the fight goes, the more of an advantage Storm has over Sersi. She gets Sersi with her winds and the fight is over. I don't think the fight will last more than 5 minutes whichever way it goes.
your the only one on here that thinks that Strom has chance of beating Sersi in any fashion, Storm winds ain't going to do sh** too Sersi if anything it will piss Sersi beyond belief. Sersi transport Storm at the bottom of the ocean.
and storm can create an electrolysis field which will create oxygen. Or she could munipulates the ocean currents.
I read that Sersi can only be killed at an atomic level. If stom could create an Jovian pressure dome fast enough she could atomically destroy Sersi.
Storm hasn't been shown to create these pressures fast enough though. If she could, Sersi would would lose. Since she can't, Sersi wins.
Im still trying to see if an electromagnetic blanket saturation would inhibit Sersi's transmutaitons powers.
It seems Sersi's transmutation is her biggest weapon.
Noone has really shown how she does it and what tpy of energies are involved.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
and storm can create an electrolysis field which will create oxygen. Or she could munipulates the ocean currents.I read that Sersi can only be killed at an atomic level. If stom could create an Jovian pressure dome fast enough she could atomically destroy Sersi.
Storm hasn't been shown to create these pressures fast enough though. If she could, Sersi would would lose. Since she can't, Sersi wins.
Im still trying to see if an electromagnetic blanket saturation would inhibit Sersi's transmutaitons powers.
It seems Sersi's transmutation is her biggest weapon.
Noone has really shown how she does it and what tpy of energies are involved.
It takes great power to destroy a Eternal, when they reform they are immune to that energy signature so basically Storm has one shot and that's it. And plus Eternals can increase their invulnerability too the point they are unfaded. Storm doesn't have a f**king prayer, Sersi turns Storm into a Maxie Tampon.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Its dead. There is nothing left to say. I started the thread, please close it. Everyone has already come to their own conclusions and nothing is going to change anyone.I still say Ororo can create her blizzard before Sersi can transmute the air or cause it to combust. I still say 50/50. 😄
A blizzard, 🤨 a blizzard is going to do too the most powerful woman on the planet ? Sersi can phase their objects or weather with ease, Crystal tried it and got punk and she is a inhuman who's powers are similar to Storm. Sersi wins this every time I understand what is so hard to comprehend.
Not to beat a dead horse, but anywho, i thought it decent to actually read (and reply to) a post directed at me (at least partially)
Originally posted by Rutog98
Honestly, if you really want to get to it, if you had ready, set, go, it would come down to who is quicker on the draw: Storm with her winds, Sersi with her transmutation.Personally, I wanted to avoid arguments where one party posts "so-and-so can strike faster than the other because in Issue X she did this in X amount of time." Then the other party counters with, "Oh yeah, well in Issue Y, so-and-so did this in Y amount of time." I tried to come up with creative tactics that STorm could use from the get go that were obviously VERY simple, yet effective and much easier than Sersi's powers to avoid the whole scenerio that I just outlined in this paragraph. You can argue that for days and not get anywhere as each party can come up with one issue after another.
The weaknesses I have come up with Sersi are canon and valid. Nothing has been posted to contradict them and Storm's unique powers can take full advantages of those weaknesses. Storm is MUCH more powerful than Sersi by volume. Anyone who disputes this is totally ignorant. Sersi has limits here that Storm can very easily exploit. That sea beast had far too much mass for Sersi to manipulate. She did not say that she may not be able to do it because of size. She stated that it was far too big and that it would kill her to even try.
The whole thing with the blizzard, I am not saying STorm can dump millions of tons of snow in an instant. However, compared to what the weather can generate in terms of mass (especially when Storm can make things happen instantly), that creature is VERY small. Storm doesn't even have to generate as much mass as Godzilla to go well beyond Sersi's limit and she can easily generate more snow in no time flat to equal far greater mass than that sea beast over the battlefield. In real life, it takes hours to get floods or to get any substantial snow. STorm has been able to generate instant floods even while indoors capable of flooding up to the ceiling. Check out the issue where the original Thunderbird dies. While you're at it, check out Uncanny 175 as well. She's been able to generate blizzard so fierce that it can stack up to 10 feet high or so in no time flat. She makes these kinds of storms over a battlefield outside where she has even more tools at her disposal than she did in those indoors instances and its going to be too much for Sersi to transmute. This is a lady who with a gesture altered weather over an entire hemisphere. Imagine what she can do over a battlefield that reaches maybe 3 square miles...
In regards to Sersi transmuting Storm from miles away, no way. Storm can block her thoughts from her and avoid detection. Xmarksthespot brought up Sersi globe scanning. That's nice, but when you have a telepath like Xavier who had a psi-battle with the Dark Phoenix that took place on every plane of reality at once or you have Shadow King who's power is the equal of Xavier's and at times much greater and STorm proving her merits against people with this kind of power...get my drift? HEck, when Xavier was inexperienced, SK was a master and has only grown since. He assaulted Xavier a thousand different ways at once in psi-combat while Xavier was just a novice. This was SK just toying around to when he did that. His skill far outstrips Xavier's. Xavier had a psychic rapport with a lady clear over in another galaxy that he never even met.
White Queen is a strong enough telepath to mind control an entire city. Warskrull had the combined power of Xavier, Psylocke and Oracle.
CC made psis very powerful, however, he had checks and balances. He built up characters like Storm and Magneto to keep the telepaths in check.
Sersi's telepathy is a joke in a fight with Storm. It would be very stupid of her to waste the concentration on TK or TP in a fight against Storm. Storm's will is the strongest of the X-Men's and possibly the strongest on the planet. Don't mess with me here. This is canon. If you can hold onto your thoughts tightly, when telepaths scan for them, they won't be able to spot them or your psi-pattern. In other words, you are invisible to it. A number of X-Men have this mental dicipline. Nightcrawer and Gambit to name two. This is why even Nightcrawler was able to avoid Stryfe's detection of him. Storm's ability to withstand telepaths>Nightcrawler's ability to withstand telepaths. I have more ammo here. Leave it alone.
Storm outpowers Sersi by volume so much its not even funny. What I have asserted from the offset of this discussion is if Storm can get past the first second of the battle, then she has excellent chances at winning. The longer the battle rages, the less Sersi has a chance at winning. This fight isn't going to last very long regardless. Storm's winds can hit much harder than most extreme class 100 strength characters. Again, if you want to challenge me on this, be my guest. I can very easily quantify this for you. Its all in canon. Storm gets her winds up and Sersi will not be able to recover as those winds hit and spin perpetually and will be constantly slamming Sersi against objects in the area with godawful force. Storm can get her winds up instantly. The moment that happens, if SErsi has not been able to get to STorm yet, Storm wins. End of story. If you disagree, tell me how Sersi can counter the winds.
If you are trying to laugh about Storm's ability to create thudershocks that can destroy one's concentration, try this for size: She once knocked a superstrong character out with one thundercrack alone. She's FAR more powerful than distant thunder your hear in real life. I merely brought up Uncanny 179 to show how she used it to shatter the Brotherhood of Evil Mutant's concentration. I merely assert that this is a possible tactic she could use to catch Sersi off guard at the beginning of the fight to distract her.
I maintain the fight is 50/50.
You may disagree, but explain and cut the insults out as its childish.
i read most of that, and i got to here
Storm's will is the strongest of the X-Men's and possibly the strongest on the planet.
and i just stopped taking it seriously... sorry... 😬
colossus, logan, xavier, jean at times etc are all at the very least matches for storm's will...
you say that:
You may disagree, but explain and cut the insults out as its childish.
but becomes a case of the ol pot and kettle when you look at the line above it...
I maintain the fight is 50/50.
if you want to reply, or just let the thread die, thats fine with me... 😬
about the fight itself, from those scans of sersi alone i'm convinced she'd win, but whoever said cyclops' blasts move faster than light, i'm sorry, but thats a whole load of crap...
he's only so accurate because of the geometry/trigonometry thing... the blasts arent much faster than bullets from what i've seen... and this is me, i've seen a hell of alot where cyclops is concerned... 😬
Originally posted by pr1983
Not to beat a dead horse, but anywho, i thought it decent to actually read (and reply to) a post directed at me (at least partially)i read most of that, and i got to here
and i just stopped taking it seriously... sorry... 😬
colossus, logan, xavier, jean at times etc are all at the very least matches for storm's will...
you say that:
but becomes a case of the ol pot and kettle when you look at the line above it...
if you want to reply, or just let the thread die, thats fine with me... 😬
about the fight itself, from those scans of sersi alone i'm convinced she'd win, but whoever said cyclops' blasts move faster than light, i'm sorry, but thats a whole load of crap...
he's only so accurate because of the geometry/trigonometry thing... the blasts arent much faster than bullets from what i've seen... and this is me, i've seen a hell of alot where cyclops is concerned... 😬
In regards to the willpower, Only Xavier's will has arguably been put on a par with Ororo's. However, Storm has him given her full history on this. The others you've listed have never displayed an indomitable will like Storm has. I think you are referring to the 7 or 8 years when Storm's was written down by the Lobdell/Kelly/Seagle era when you made that comment. The whole thing about Storm's will possibly being the strongest on the planet has very strong comic basis. Magneto's will was stated to be the strongest of all and Storm eventually surpassed him.
In regards to Scott's blasts, they move at the speed of light, not faster. Its canon.
Thanks for your reply. I completely understand why you feel Sersi would win. Storm is my favorite character overall while Sersi is my second favorite female character. Sersi is very powerful. I still stand by my 50/50 though. 😄