Sersi vs Storm

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Personally, I don't think Sersi's transmutation would matter much in a fight. When has she actually transmutated an opponent? For that matter, Surfer doesn't really do this either to opponents, so to me, such abilities really matter little in hypothetical fights. I suppose my opinion might change if someone shows a scan of Sersi fighting an opponent and in a panel says, "Aw f*ck this. Transmutation into quarters! *Poof!* Now I can fill that parking meter..."

Sersi's energy projection and strength and speed are her main weapons and as an Eternal, I'd venture to say she's above Ms. Marvel, but not quite near Wonder Woman levels. But that's a tall order for Storm. Someone make another Sersi thread. This one's pretty conclusive.

the scan already exists in this thread of her changing thor into a frog . . .

she's also changed an intangible vision into glass or stone, changed eternals into DEVIANTS . . .

she HAS used her transmutation many times on opponents in battles. 😬 as i said long ago though, even WITHOUT that ability, she still wins, imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
the scan already exists in this thread of her changing thor into a frog . . .

she's also changed an intangible vision into glass or stone, changed eternals into DEVIANTS . . .

she HAS used her transmutation many times on opponents in battles. 😬 as i said long ago though, even WITHOUT that ability, she still wins, imo.

Sersi will turn Storm into a toilet and you know what happens after that 😉 .
Sersi pulls out her Immortal Hercules Punch and takes off Storm's head.

Sersi 100/100

Originally posted by leonidas
the scan already exists in this thread of her changing thor into a frog . . .

she's also changed an intangible vision into glass or stone, changed eternals into DEVIANTS . . .

she HAS used her transmutation many times on opponents in battles. 😬 as i said long ago though, even WITHOUT that ability, she still wins, imo.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well lets see she can control every atom in her body so I suppose she could be intagible if she wanted. (that makes the winds less than useless)

Storms other powers are useless agianst Sersi for the same reason

Storm can hurt intangible characters with electricity. Sersi may become vulnerable to her lightning if in an intangible state.

You know, there is a way for Storm to win: She creates her blizzard. Sersi can't find her so she is forced to scan for her. Ororo allows SErsi to feel her thoughts. She wants that because as soon as Sersi touches Ororo's mind, Storm fries her brain and knocks her out of the fight. She pulled this on Bogan, a much more powerful psi than Sersi in "Schism." She wanted him to attack/touch her mind so she could fry him out.
Storm's goal is to force Sersi to use her TP.

So again, saying that Sersi is immune to Storm's powers doesn't work. Ororo has ways .

I called this fight a 50/50 because Sersi has weaknesses unique to her that Storm's powers can really play up on. Also, Storm has the means to hurt Sersi badly enough to take her out of the fight.

Has Sersi shown that she is immune to winds while intangible? Vision turns intangible and the winds move him. That's how he flies.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Eh? I have a comic where Psylocke doesn't have any problems locating and tracking Strom. True, Storm locks her out and refuses not to communicate via telapathy,(Psylocke was still able to detect her emotions etc) but I doubt Psylocke was forcefully trying to probe her. That's not what team mates do. And it might have hurt Storm.

What you are saying about Psylokce possibly hurting Storm doesn't make sense canonically. X-Men have been able to hide their thoughts from Stryfe when he was scanning for them. It did not hurt them at all.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Why is this thread still going on? For storm to even stand a chance, she needs to:

-Make herself invisible to Sersi based on what the eyes can or cannot perceive
-Ensure that Sersi stays tangible/be able to hit Sersi when she is intangible
-React to Sersi's teleportation
-Mentally cloak herself from Sersi
-Create weather conditions of a large enough volume that Sersi has problems manipulating.
-Create said weather conditions fast enough, meaning in a split second.
-Ensure that said weather conditions deal enough damage to knock out a being that can be disintegrated and survive.
-Resist telepathy from Sersi

And all in a split second.

Sersi needs to:

-Turn Storm into a bug
-Step on bug
-Have coffee

One combatant needs a complicated series of events to happen without one cog screwing up, and to happen almost simultaneously. One needs to step on a bug. Obviously, the one who steps on the bug wins 10/10.

I have stated from the offset of the battle that if Storm can pull something clever at the very beginning of the fight to throw Sersi off balance (hence the thunderclap that would be debilitating for a lesser oppoent but enough to take out Sersi's concentration or something elese just as clever) to survive that first second, she stands a good chance at winning. Ororo does not have to take Sersi out at the very beginning of the fight, BTW. All she has to do in neutralize her offensive powers, which she can easily do. Storm can easily create too much volume for Sersi to control. That blizzard will do that instantly. I've seen some of Storm's blizzard feats that would prove this.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I read on wikipedia that Seris has trouble with sub-atomic matter, that's why I brouth up the Electrical/electromagnetic saturation with regards to storm.

Could it be written that storm could somehow hold her atomic structure together by way of the forces inside her and the forces she has munipulated and channeled through her body.

The fight starts, Sersi goes to transmutate storm, instantly a lightning bolt shoots out of the sky and engrosses storm and the area in an electromagnetic feild impeding Sersi from matter munipution because of all the electromagnetic energy and electron intereference.

Atoms are held together by electromagnetic feilds.

That's what I think she did to make that bathingsuit-- She rearranged some of the electrons in the air thus munipulating the atoms and rearanging them to make a detailed bathing suit. It wasn't unstable molecules because she was but-booty naked.

I had not thought of this. This is very plausible. There was one issue where the Avengers were trapped in a force-field. It was during a huge 20-issue arc or something. Seris managed to avoid capture by using an illusion to appear like one of the aliens. She was unable to use her transmutation powers through an energy field to try and free the captured Avergs trapped inside the field. (I think she wanted to transmute the manacles or something that held their powers in check.) I wish I had my Avenger comics with me! They may have said what type of energy the field was. Anyway, this is clever. My memory on all the details of this is rusty. This is a very clever scenerio from 2DL.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Why is this thread still going on? For storm to even stand a chance, she needs to:

-Make herself invisible to Sersi based on what the eyes can or cannot perceive
-Ensure that Sersi stays tangible/be able to hit Sersi when she is intangible
-React to Sersi's teleportation
-Mentally cloak herself from Sersi
-Create weather conditions of a large enough volume that Sersi has problems manipulating.
-Create said weather conditions fast enough, meaning in a split second.
-Ensure that said weather conditions deal enough damage to knock out a being that can be disintegrated and survive.
-Resist telepathy from Sersi

And all in a split second.

Sersi needs to:

-Turn Storm into a bug
-Step on bug
-Have coffee

One combatant needs a complicated series of events to happen without one cog screwing up, and to happen almost simultaneously. One needs to step on a bug. Obviously, the one who steps on the bug wins 10/10.

You put too much in that list for Storm. She does not have to do all of that in a split second. Sersi's state of tangibility is not even an issue here. Neither is her teleportation or anything.

Look, Storm can accomplish all she needs to accomplish is stealing vision from Sersi and creating too much volume for her. By creating her blizzard, she does everything she needs to do to prevent Sersi from getting to her. She can very easily generate that kind of mass as its nothing for nature to do that. You don't see that Sersi's powers is extremely limited where Storm is vastly powerful where mass is concerned.

Becoming invisible to Sersi's telepathy is an automatic thing for someone like Storm. She doesn't even have to use her powers for this. Another thing Storm could do is catch Sersi off guard with an thunderclap/sound attack or a surprise mini blizzard in the face. by the time Sersi recovers from the surprise, she looks up and Storm has moved herself out of Sersi's vision while blocking her thoughts. STorm can generate her blizzard at this point or generate it while Sersi is recovering and still not be where she was prior to her initial attack to throw Sersi off balance.

Going on what 2ddamnloud brought up about Storm's electrical field, if Sersi cannot transmute through an electrical field, Storm could put an electrical around herself AND Sersi at the very beginning of the fight while throwing her blizzard up. Sersi would be unable to transmute from behind the field as well. 🙂 Other weaknesses Storm can play up on is Sersi's need to breathe. Hence, whenever Sersi is in space, she has to wear a space suit. Storm snowblinds Sersi and can just concentrate on suffocating her. Ororo has done this before.

Whatever the case, Sersi will always be succeptible to Storm's powers. Ororo can suffocate her. If she goes intangible, her lightning will hurt her. Sersi obviously is imitation Kitty when she goes intangible since Kitty is controlling herself on an atomic level when she phases. This may protect Sersi from winds, but not from the lighthing or suffocation. (Though air goes through Kitty while she is intangible, she still has to breathe. Same would hold true for Sersi since she's imitation Kitty's power with this.) If Sersi remains tangible, Storm's winds hit harder than most extreme class 100 strength characters. This will take Sersi out. She can also suffocate her.

On the Sersi side of this debate, all of your arguments with Sersi winning depends on her taking Storm out at the very beginning of the fight. If she fails in this, none of you have presented a way for Sersi to use her powers to win. I think the reason for this is Ororo's powers very cleanly counters Sersi's.

Honestly, if Sersi does not take Storm out at the very beginning of this fight, the advantage swings in Storm's favor. Ororo has plenty of ways to throw SErsi off balance at the very beginning to prevent this.

Sersi's teleportation means nothing if she doesn't know where Ororo is. She doesn't know where to teleport to. Storm could very easily put Sersi in a situation where she has to trap her into using her telepathy so she can fry Sersi's brain and take her out of the fight.

You guys keep bringing up Thor, but in many ways, Storm is a better fight against Sersi than Thor is. HE does not have the ability to detect movement in the environment like Storm does. He cannot alter his vision like Storm nor can he fry the brains of invading telepaths. He throws up a blizzard, he's just as snowblind as Sersi.

Guys, quite bringing up Thor, here. He does not have all the aspects of Storm's elemental powers.

Sersi has the advantage over Thor, but 50/50 against Storm. The longer the fight rages, Storm gets the advantage.

Originally posted by Rutog98
You put too much in that list for Storm. She does not have to do all of that in a split second. Sersi's state of tangibility is not even an issue here. Neither is her teleportation or anything.

Look, Storm can accomplish all she needs to accomplish is stealing vision from Sersi and creating too much volume for her. By creating her blizzard, she does everything she needs to do to prevent Sersi from getting to her. She can very easily generate that kind of mass as its nothing for nature to do that. You don't see that Sersi's powers is extremely limited where Storm is vastly powerful where mass is concerned.

Becoming invisible to Sersi's telepathy is an automatic thing for someone like Storm. She doesn't even have to use her powers for this. Another thing Storm could do is catch Sersi off guard with an thunderclap/sound attack or a surprise mini blizzard in the face. by the time Sersi recovers from the surprise, she looks up and Storm has moved herself out of Sersi's vision while blocking her thoughts. STorm can generate her blizzard at this point or generate it while Sersi is recovering and still not be where she was prior to her initial attack to throw Sersi off balance.

Going on what 2ddamnloud brought up about Storm's electrical field, if Sersi cannot transmute through an electrical field, Storm could put an electrical around herself AND Sersi at the very beginning of the fight while throwing her blizzard up. Sersi would be unable to transmute from behind the field as well. 🙂 Other weaknesses Storm can play up on is Sersi's need to breathe. Hence, whenever Sersi is in space, she has to wear a space suit. Storm snowblinds Sersi and can just concentrate on suffocating her. Ororo has done this before.

Whatever the case, Sersi will always be succeptible to Storm's powers. Ororo can suffocate her. If she goes intangible, her lightning will hurt her. Sersi obviously is imitation Kitty when she goes intangible since Kitty is controlling herself on an atomic level when she phases. This may protect Sersi from winds, but not from the lighthing or suffocation. (Though air goes through Kitty while she is intangible, she still has to breathe. Same would hold true for Sersi since she's imitation Kitty's power with this.) If Sersi remains tangible, Storm's winds hit harder than most extreme class 100 strength characters. This will take Sersi out. She can also suffocate her.

On the Sersi side of this debate, all of your arguments with Sersi winning depends on her taking Storm out at the very beginning of the fight. If she fails in this, none of you have presented a way for Sersi to use her powers to win. I think the reason for this is Ororo's powers very cleanly counters Sersi's.

Honestly, if Sersi does not take Storm out at the very beginning of this fight, the advantage swings in Storm's favor. Ororo has plenty of ways to throw SErsi off balance at the very beginning to prevent this.

Sersi's teleportation means nothing if she doesn't know where Ororo is. She doesn't know where to teleport to. Storm could very easily put Sersi in a situation where she has to trap her into using her telepathy so she can fry Sersi's brain and take her out of the fight.

You guys keep bringing up Thor, but in many ways, Storm is a better fight against Sersi than Thor is. HE does not have the ability to detect movement in the environment like Storm does. He cannot alter his vision like Storm nor can he fry the brains of invading telepaths. He throws up a blizzard, he's just as snowblind as Sersi.

Guys, quite bringing up Thor, here. He does not have all the aspects of Storm's elemental powers.

Sersi has the advantage over Thor, but 50/50 against Storm. The longer the fight rages, 🤨 Storm gets the advantage.

Your logic is horrible, Storm doesn't have any advantage you misguided foolish child, even Thor would smoke Storm and Sersi will turn Storm into a tampon within a blink of an eye. Sersi has control all forms of energy, Sersi can complete control over her molecules which means she can adapt to every what storm throws at her. Sersi will throw her shield which stood the nega bomb blast, if a Eternal wants to enter your mind they will. Sersi can cast illusion all day or Thor Storm around with her telekinesis, Sersi will teleport in front of Storm before Storm knows what to do; Sersi takes Storm's head off with her Immortal Hercules punch.

Originally posted by Rutog98
You put too much in that list for Storm. She does not have to do all of that in a split second. Sersi's state of tangibility is not even an issue here. Neither is her teleportation or anything.

Look, Storm can accomplish all she needs to accomplish is stealing vision from Sersi and creating too much volume for her. By creating her blizzard, she does everything she needs to do to prevent Sersi from getting to her. She can very easily generate that kind of mass as its nothing for nature to do that. You don't see that Sersi's powers is extremely limited where Storm is vastly powerful where mass is concerned.

Becoming invisible to Sersi's telepathy is an automatic thing for someone like Storm. She doesn't even have to use her powers for this. Another thing Storm could do is catch Sersi off guard with an thunderclap/sound attack or a surprise mini blizzard in the face. by the time Sersi recovers from the surprise, she looks up and Storm has moved herself out of Sersi's vision while blocking her thoughts. STorm can generate her blizzard at this point or generate it while Sersi is recovering and still not be where she was prior to her initial attack to throw Sersi off balance.

Going on what 2ddamnloud brought up about Storm's electrical field, if Sersi cannot transmute through an electrical field, Storm could put an electrical around herself AND Sersi at the very beginning of the fight while throwing her blizzard up. Sersi would be unable to transmute from behind the field as well. 🙂 Other weaknesses Storm can play up on is Sersi's need to breathe. Hence, whenever Sersi is in space, she has to wear a space suit. Storm snowblinds Sersi and can just concentrate on suffocating her. Ororo has done this before.

Whatever the case, Sersi will always be succeptible to Storm's powers. Ororo can suffocate her. If she goes intangible, her lightning will hurt her. Sersi obviously is imitation Kitty when she goes intangible since Kitty is controlling herself on an atomic level when she phases. This may protect Sersi from winds, but not from the lighthing or suffocation. (Though air goes through Kitty while she is intangible, she still has to breathe. Same would hold true for Sersi since she's imitation Kitty's power with this.) If Sersi remains tangible, Storm's winds hit harder than most extreme class 100 strength characters. This will take Sersi out. She can also suffocate her.

On the Sersi side of this debate, all of your arguments with Sersi winning depends on her taking Storm out at the very beginning of the fight. If she fails in this, none of you have presented a way for Sersi to use her powers to win. I think the reason for this is Ororo's powers very cleanly counters Sersi's.

Honestly, if Sersi does not take Storm out at the very beginning of this fight, the advantage swings in Storm's favor. Ororo has plenty of ways to throw SErsi off balance at the very beginning to prevent this.

Sersi's teleportation means nothing if she doesn't know where Ororo is. She doesn't know where to teleport to. Storm could very easily put Sersi in a situation where she has to trap her into using her telepathy so she can fry Sersi's brain and take her out of the fight.

You guys keep bringing up Thor, but in many ways, Storm is a better fight against Sersi than Thor is. HE does not have the ability to detect movement in the environment like Storm does. He cannot alter his vision like Storm nor can he fry the brains of invading telepaths. He throws up a blizzard, he's just as snowblind as Sersi.

Guys, quite bringing up Thor, here. He does not have all the aspects of Storm's elemental powers.

Sersi has the advantage over Thor, but 50/50 against Storm. The longer the fight rages, Storm gets the advantage.

🙁 your logic is so horrible, Sersi turns Storm into a tampon then uses it.

For reference:
Telepathic tracking:

"any being less telepathically adept than myself"
N.B. not mind control.

Psibolts on Exodus.

Lightning and Shadowcat:

Feels "kinda nice."

Kang's time-cube isn't affected by Sersi's powers, nothing to do with any electrical field:

N.B. That's not Sersi inside.

More teleportation at the snap of a finger:

Transmutation of fellow Eternals, all of whom have complete control over their structure:

For further reference:

Fights off a brain mine, has her arm atomized and dispersed, tries to seek help but can't get any from the Eternals/WC Avengers so ends up going to Kro, she falls at comet speed through the atmosphere, but manages to keep herself undetected and phased through the Pentagon, crashes at speed into the sublevels, recalls her story to Kro and then regenerates her arm.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
For reference:
Telepathic tracking:

"any being less telepathically adept than myself"
N.B. not mind control.

Psibolts on Exodus.

Lightning and Shadowcat:

Feels "kinda nice."

Kang's time-cube isn't affected by Sersi's powers, nothing to do with any electrical field:

N.B. That's not Sersi inside.

More teleportation at the snap of a finger:

Transmutation of fellow Eternals, all of whom have complete control over their structure:

more 😱 , show this Rutgo98 dosen't know what he is talking about

your logic is so horrible, Sersi turns Storm into a tampon then uses it.

LOL.

no, the winds would pass through her and not blow her because she flies by harnessing cosmic power, unlike vision and controls her flight by TK.

seriously -- intangible or not, she flew into the gravity well of a BLACK HOLE. but storm's strong winds will batter her . . . 🤨

if she is blinded by the snow, she erects a force field and looks for her. if storm wants to hide, well . . . 😕

not much of a fight.

the ability to channel an electric shock via a tp link that storm allows to be established is an interesting attack and the only one that i've seen that may have a chance of working. i'd like to know more about the context of that particular event.

i disagree that the longer the fight lasts the better are storm's chances. sersi can port around and shield herself from whatever storm tries to do, regardless of the length of the battle.

or of course, she could simply transmute the air all around them and set storm on fire or just make it impossible for her to breathe . . .

and her TK is rather powerful . . .

focusing on a shield would be MORE than enough to keep her from any harm storm may do. or she could simply grab storm and crush her with TK, or hold her and punch off her head, or . . .

the thing is -- sersi can end this very quickly, and storm has no defense for any attack. otoh, sersi can port away from storm, shield from her, become immaterial, etc . . . storm's only hope is that sersi isn't going full out. storm, meanwhile, has nothing than will definitively end the fight without a large mistake or pis from sersi.

so, no, sersi doesn't need line of sight to transmute the air over a vast area to kill storm. she could erect a powerful TK shield and simply look for her. the only legitimate attack i saw that might put down sersi, wouldn't even be necessary because the use of tp to find storm would not be necessary. there are too many other avenues open for sersi.

After reading this lengthy thread, the only thing I'm wondering is ..

Since when did Exodus drop from the A-list villain class?? I thought he was pretty bad-ass at first..and now he's nothing.

Originally posted by Trolt
After reading this lengthy thread, the only thing I'm wondering is ..

Since when did Exodus drop from the A-list villain class?? I thought he was pretty bad-ass at first..and now he's nothing.

after the 8 pages of this thread THAT is your only thought?

Originally posted by Trolt
After reading this lengthy thread, the only thing I'm wondering is ..

Since when did Exodus drop from the A-list villain class?? I thought he was pretty bad-ass at first..and now he's nothing.

Since the idiots wasted his potential in favor of Magneto? 😮

Wow... how did this thread go past the first post?

How is there Storm fanboys?

Sersi 10/10.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
after the 8 pages of this thread THAT is your only thought?

Well...yeah.

The outcome of the thread is OBVIOUS.

Why not only ponder a side-pursuit?