MM has mindraped Supes, and indeed, has mindraped the entire league as Fernus. Let's grant Fernus as J'onn with double or triple his power and no morals.
Exodus was able to simultaniously: 1. Amplifying Genoshan mutates' hatred of humans;
2. Crushing Genosha via a massive force field;
3. Immobilising Quicksilver, the Scarlet Witch, Crystal and Jean Grey in another force field;
4. Protecting himself from attacks; and,
5. Dealing out massive amounts of damage to both the X-Men and the Avengers.
and Apoc one-shotted him. Which means, Apoc has stronger telepathy than MM. Apo can take at least 5/10. Not to mention his energy absorbtion power which he could absorb Supes's power with. Or his molecular control, which gives him potentially all physical super powers. He could give himself kinetic energy absorbtion, or turn his body into adamantium, or turn part of himself into kryptonite......, Apocalypse is the one who has the edge, not supes.
I wasn't going to bring up the T-vo bit, but yea. Fernus would be like the Phoenix in DC. Fernus is what John could become, not what he is.
Almost all of what you mentioned was force field based, not TP attacks.
Not to mention there is also the option of T-Vo, heat vision on its highest setting, freeze breath him into place and take a quick little sundip, etc.
It wouldn't take much effort from Supes to put down Apocalypse.
The big question is can Superman Stand up to the Big HE? I dont' think he can. Apoc can. Becuz of his limitless strength and Shape changing and Apoc does have superspeed of some undefined velocity. I think Apoc wins the slim majority becuz Superman has an extreme jobber aura. But Apock was able to completely ***** the Hulk in a head lock. That is saying alot. And that was just with brute strength.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
MM has mindraped Supes, and indeed, has mindraped the entire league as Fernus. Let's grant Fernus as J'onn with double or triple his power and no morals.Exodus was able to simultaniously: 1. Amplifying Genoshan mutates' hatred of humans;
2. Crushing Genosha via a massive force field;
3. Immobilising Quicksilver, the Scarlet Witch, Crystal and Jean Grey in another force field;
4. Protecting himself from attacks; and,
5. Dealing out massive amounts of damage to both the X-Men and the Avengers.and Apoc one-shotted him. Which means, Apoc has stronger telepathy than MM. Apo can take at least 5/10. Not to mention his energy absorbtion power which he could absorb Supes's power with. Or his molecular control, which gives him potentially all physical super powers. He could give himself kinetic energy absorbtion, or turn his body into adamantium, or turn part of himself into kryptonite......, Apocalypse is the one who has the edge, not supes.
Apoc does not have telepathy higher than Jonns.Apoc has beating Xavier under his hat Xaviers a joke to MM.MM has turned joker sane on more than one occasion and if i recall correctly jokers mind has proved daunting to the spectre.Jonn has also forced his way into the spectres mind,produced a telepathic illusion that even the strongest white martian couldn't throw off hell a weakened Jonn was so strong that the 70 white martians couldn't enter his mind.My personal favourite is that Jonn could break through the telepathic wake of maggedon a creature who gave off telepathy strong enough to affect planets of darkseid level beings.In telepathy Jonn punks Apoc,deal with it.
As for fernus being stronger than Jonn just no Fernus was a change in disposition,not power he is never stated as more powerful than before and Jonn transformed into him meaning that Jonn could shapeshift into that form again even if rumours of it being more powerful were true.
If we're talking Apocalypse at his full potential against regular Superman, than Apocalypse may get a 3 or 4 out of 10.
But Superman, no mental blocks, no holding back against Apocalypse and Apocalypse's chances slim down to 1/10, if that.
Supes has the strength, speed, and durability advantage. Apocolypse's teleportation and telekenisis would be essentially useless against someone as quick and durable as Superman.
So that leaves his telepathy. And a Superman actually making an effort to stop Apocalypse could simply use T-Vo to take Apoc out.
Supes takes this everytime. Apoc is doing anything with his TP against Supes. His mind has too many mental blocks, it would take Apoic too long to break down Supes mind. Supes speedblitz him into nothing. It doesn't matter what powers Apoc has if he doesn't have the speed to react to Supes super speed. Add all his super-strength punches multiplyied by the speed at which they are coming and you get a dead Apoc.
super speed + super strength = Dead Apoc nopity
This is without Supes being Sun-Dipped or a Bloodlusted Supes.
I wasn't expecting to Apoc to beat Supes in an outright fight. But drawing even is possible. Hell, he should get at least 3-4 wins. This should show that Apoc is seriously underrated. How come no one addressed my idea of Apoc turning part of himself into kryptonite or adamantium? That's well within his abilities and it would give him the win over supes.
its never been proven xavier is a joke to MM he's got some nifty feats himself that MM doesnt.
and back when apoc was doing some plain crazy butt feats is when they didnt know his powerlevel they might have been aiming to put him on skyfather level who knows, im not saying he is a skyfather but in his old days he even manipulated time, and also beat a prime eternal almost killing him.