Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Who's to say he won't be able to scan Supes and replicate the effect of Kryptonite based on physiology? Or get the info from his mind?
Supes mental defenses are too strong, he wont be getting anything from his mind. No way will the kryptonite, b/c he also has the power of "super-willpower" (i know not real power). But, he can fight through that, its not like he hasn't fought people using kryptonite before.
Supes eats kryptonite for breakfast. A weakness does not equal a automatic win.
Look I understand that Apoc used to be this big time villain, and how he used to do all this crazy tight stuff. But that was the past, he is not a big deal anymore. The X-men give it to him on a regular basis, he is no longer a threat. Don't get me wrong, back in the day I used to get excited when Apoc showed up too, but those days are over.
This is like arguing that Pre-Crisis is the real ability and power of current Supes. Back in the day Apoc is not the same as current Apoc, there is a difference.
I understand that one or two losses can be considered PIS, but after a while of consistent bad showings it comes a time to except that this is the new standard and bar for the character. It happened to Darkseid, it happened to Juggernaut, it happens to a lot of good characters. Why? Because writers and editors are assholes, that's why. That enjoy ruining classic characters, its just the way of life.
I say this for your own benefit, not to discourage your efforts. Please except the truth, but please if you want to keep arguing for Apoc of the old days, please start referring to him as CLASSIC Apoc, not the "should be ashamed to call himself En Sabah Nur" wuss of today. 🙁
Your point is well-taken Renji. Indeed, it seems Marvel has seen fit to ruin a great character. I thought Non-jobbing was correct, but it seems not. You're right, En Sabah Nur has fallen from grace. From now on, I'll make sure to note him as "Classic Apoc" as you said. Ok, let's call this Classic Apoc vs. Supes. NOW what do you think?
Dear god, how long ago did I make this? nosweat Well, even getting 2-3 wins is good on Superman. I kind of doubt he'll get the chance if Supes is bloodlusted. In character, he could probably cobble together something. I doubt Apocalypse can beat Superman period, but getting a fluke win or two is possible. But if Supes is bloodlusted, again, he will die. 🙁
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
MM has mindraped Supes, and indeed, has mindraped the entire league as Fernus. Let's grant Fernus as J'onn with double or triple his power and no morals.Exodus was able to simultaniously: 1. Amplifying Genoshan mutates' hatred of humans;
2. Crushing Genosha via a massive force field;
3. Immobilising Quicksilver, the Scarlet Witch, Crystal and Jean Grey in another force field;
4. Protecting himself from attacks; and,
5. Dealing out massive amounts of damage to both the X-Men and the Avengers.and Apoc one-shotted him. Which means, Apoc has stronger telepathy than MM. Apo can take at least 5/10. Not to mention his energy absorbtion power which he could absorb Supes's power with. Or his molecular control, which gives him potentially all physical super powers. He could give himself kinetic energy absorbtion, or turn his body into adamantium, or turn part of himself into kryptonite......, Apocalypse is the one who has the edge, not supes.
That’s a harsh comparison.
Anyhow, a blood lusted Superman Should take this.