Originally posted by thtadthtshldntb
IIRC, the fight between Thor and BRB for Mjollnirn was in Muspelheim not on a molton lava planet.Whomever wins in the Superman vs BRB fight decides this, Flash and Ice Man are after thoughts.
BRB takes 7-8/10 against Superman.
BRB and Iceman therefore take 7-8/10.
Damn I've been corrected a lot lately. 🙁
Originally posted by xmeat
so your flash speed is more powerful than stormbreaker a weapon created by odin himself.
it's not about his speed it's about what that speed does like when he runs at near light speed his mass increases to infinit portions and with one punch he is able to take out a MM level character. Now a thousand of those punches is going to flatten Bill like nothing he has ever faced before.
His IMP has been able to hit people into escape velocity, aka 7 miles per second. Considering the strength at hand here, along with ability to use stormbreaker to travel light speed, BRB could easily mimic the same power. Make for damn sure flashs durability isn't able to handle one hit from BRB. Flash is powerful but he is pretty over rated on the forums.
Id almost say that Bobby himself could handle Supes with a bit of moisture inversion...not 100% sure though.
Here's an easy strategy:
In the first nanosecond of the battle, Flash amps Superman's speed to Flash-levels by lending him the Speed Force as he has done countless times in the past.
In the second nanosecond, Flash uses his molecular alteration powers to convert Iceman into sparseless molecules by vibrating through him.
Superman now has ridiculously fast Flash-level speeds and therefore speedblitzes BRB before he can even build a proper defense.
Superman's faster than light superspeed + Flash's faster than anything he damn pleases superspeed = Speedforced amped Superman owning BRB.
With the Speedforce aiding him, a IMP from Superman towards BRB would likely knock his head off....
If Iceman still survives for some reason, than Flash transports him to the Speed Force or the Anti-Matter universe where ANY matter, atoms, electrons, molecules that is not "anti" will be instantly destroyed.
Flash/Superman win 10/10. They have the benefit of superior speed (which Beta Ray Bill may be able to react to but certainly not Bobby....) and superior teamwork since Wally and Superman have been working together since Wally was a child....
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Putting Bobby into molecules is just going to give him the advantage, as he could stay that way and at that point neither flash or supes can really do anything to him.
When Flash vibrates through something he renders them to "taffy" to the point that their reduced to raw components like protons and neutrons.
Which would kill Iceman instantly since he can't function if hasn't any water molecules to embody. Water molecules require hydrogen and oxygen atoms. Flash will obliterate his atomic structure to the base components atoms of all kinds are made of.
Also, it's a speedblitz attack. Flash will kill Iceman so fast that Iceman won't be able to transfer his consciousness to another body of water.
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Water molecules are everywhere. He could embody the ones inside flash as he vibrates through him, or the ones inside supes, the ones in the air etc. So once again he is still at an advantage point.
You're not getting it. Bobby WON'T be able to transfer his consciousness in the .00000000001 seconds it takes Flash to rip Iceman to the point of literal nothingness.
He doesn't have the reaction time to react to Flash's attack. He'll be dead before he knows he's even being attacked much less coherent enough to transfer his consciousness in time.
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Got a scan of flash completely seperating atoms?
Go to the Flash Respect Thread.
Flash can even turn himself into a Speedforce energy being where ala Iceman he's connected to ALL kinetic energy in the DC multiverse.
Another trick is to state the Speed Formula to completely stop time rendering Bobby a time-frozen statue.
Flash is another league than Bobby. There's absolutely nothing Iceman could do to him. Even stealing his water won't work since Flash primarily draws sustenance from the Speed Force.
Also people are forgetting Iceman doesn't start out as water molecules everywhere. He starts as...well....Iceman like he does in every X-Men comic.
If the vibration tactic doesn't work, Flash has thousands of other ways to take him down. And unfortunately for Bobby, he won't be able to react to Flash unleashing a flurry of kinetic/molecular/sub-atomic/time-stopping/SpeedForce dumping in a literal pectosecond/ attacks from the Flash. The battle wouldn't last a second with a bloodlusted Flash. The only thing Iceman can do is annoy Flash for his resilence....
Now physically what can Flash do to him? That Bobby can't recover from, also how much of Flash's abilities can Stormbreaker stop? No he doesn't start out as molecules, but a simply physical attack to shatter his "human" form puts him that way without much effort. He doesn't have to steal his water, he has it in his body. He is still human therefor water is still present. I don't see him in another league than a bloodlusted full potential bobby either.
Im still leaning to the point of a stale mate between those two and BRB taking a slight majority over Supes.
BTW Nice job on the Flash respect thread.
I'm real glad that the Flash would beat Iceman, or vice versa.
there is nothing that either of them can do that would even significantly harm the other guys here.
No amount of over-wanked, Speedfarce mojo will enable Flash to become more that roadkill against BRB.
First nanosecond... Flash drains all kinetic energy from Bill (leaving out the fact that Bill can
a) generate more energy
b) turn the Speedfarce off
c) teleport
second nanosecond, The flash hits Bill with an IMP times 10. Bill gets a slight bruise, and the resulting planetary explosion causes the Flash to die when after he stops using the Speedfarce.