Originally posted by Soljer
Cosigning Blair.The Flash definitely CAN obliterate Iceman before Iceman even knows what's going on.
However, the Flash won't KNOW to. Iceman will be totally undetectable, and will eventually reside within both the Flash and Superman.
Who knows how it might go from there?
Superman has "soul" vision (meaning he can literally see spirits and souls and consciousnesses [more recently displayed in the recent Action Comics storyline where he perceives the consciousness of a fallen soldier without a body]), which means he'll see Bobby.
After Beta Ray Bill falls nearly instantaneously to a Speedforced amped Superman, they'll likely think the battle is won (IF Wally doesn't pull out the various ways Wally can instantly defeat Bobby which nobody obviously wants to hear so they've stuffed their ears with cotton), and Iceman somehow manages to pull his consciousness together AND figure out a line of attack (with the amount of force Flash is punching Iceman with he'll likely be as disoriented and stunned as he was in Uncanny X-Men, which by he almost DIED if Mystique hadn't saved his ass) AND somehow manage to appear in the body of translight moving superbeing than he'll likely try to syphon moisture from Flash/Superman, freeze their blood from within, or suck out all their moisture to make a new body what would happen?
Let's actually THINK here. Flash is powered by the Speedforce. Which means he's in tap with constant motion. Absolute zero has absolutely no effect on him since as stated on panel numerous times with his encounter with Captain Cold who uses a weapon that generates absolute zero temperatures, his molecules are incapable of being reduced to absolute zero. Why? Because every cell, every molecule, every atom, every FIBER of his being his amped with the SpeedForce. And to make matters even worse for Bobby, his costume which bonds to his skin and body, is LITERALLY made of SpeedForce in gelatin form. Which means it's incapable of being reduced to absolute zero. The SpeedForce is constant motion, constant kinetic energy in the entire multiverse that cannot be stopped, altered or halted. Doing so would require someone on the level of the Spectre.
Conclusion? Iceman's absolute-zero trick will do dipsh*t to Flash. He cannot be frozen or stripped of his kinetic energy as absolute zero temperatures since every fiber of his being is connected to the granddaddy of kinetic energy.
And it won't work on Superman because Flash will amp his speed with the Speedforce which will grant him the same protections the Speedforce aura grants Flash.
Bobby's first tactic won't do sh**. No, to humor the fanboys, let's say Flash and Superman are stupid enough not to realize that they're not being attacked by Iceman. Iceman realizes freezing isn't doing shit. He then tries to suck the moisture out of them.
Well, an obvious point that everyone seems to ignore: Flash and Superman think, react, and act really, really, really, really, really, really, fast.
In the space between .0001 and .0002
Flash: I say, dear chap. I do believe that this tendril of water coming out our eyeballs is an attack from Iceman. It most certainly feels a mite painful.
Superman: Oh, cheerio! I must agree! I'm using my soul vision and it appears that this Iceman fellow is still alive in our bodies and is attempting to suck out every drop of moisture we have!
Flash: Oh, dear! That sounds just dreadful!
Superman: Using my genius Kryptonian intellect in conjunction with my translightspeed rate of though, I theorize this bugger is an elemental capable of transferring his consciousness in any water molecules he wants.
Flash: Well, that's just stupid. What kind of hack writer thought up that idea? The old boy was just throwing snow balls a few years ago.
Superman: Yes, it's quite the posh, isn't it?
Flash: I say, let's vibrate our molecules to translightspeeds...oh you still have that SpeedForce buff I gave you after you completely mauled that savage with the face of an ox, don't you?
Superman: Oh, yes certainly, yes, yes. Carry on.
Flash: Why, my thank you. I suggest we vibrate our molecules to translightspeed to disrupt our molecular composition to the point where molecules break apart. Which our molecular composition not even considered to be molecular enough to be considered anything like matter at all, he won't be draining us of every drop of water!
Superman: Fine idea, old chap! But what if that doesn't kill him?
Flash: It's bound to get him out of us, anyhoo! He can't survive in a body with no coherent water molecules! Our molecules will be scrambling about at lightspeed! He'd likely die from such a tramatic experience anyhoo.
Superman: And if that doesn't work?
Flash: My god, man! You sound like an Iceman fanboy! If THAT doesn't work, he'll have to find another body of moisture to transfer to like say the air! You use your soulvision and I'll simply dump that little uppity bastard in the Speed Force or the Anti-Matter universe. Whatever floats my fancy.
Superman: Well that sounds just swell! What time is it, by the way?
Flash: Eh, I measure between .0003 and .0004.
Superman: Ah, thank you good sir. Let's get this show on the road shall we?
Flash: Yes, let's. This poor bastard. He really doesn't know what's going to hit him.
What people need to get: SPEED, SPEED, SPEED. ANY attack that Iceman somehow manages to get on Superman or Flash will be recognized, analyzed, countered, and debuffed in the pectosecond after Iceman even begins to launch the attack on the duo.
Iceman is screwed. He simply doesn't have the reactions nor speed necessary not to mention the ABILITY to kill Speedforced amped Superman or the Flash for that matter unless they're incredibly stupid .
On another note, isn't dispersing Iceman's molecules to heavens and the netherworld below from such a lethal attack considered a KO on this forum?
Wolverine is currently immortal. He can grow back from a skeleton. Does that mean he automatically wins every battle since he just won't stay dead?
Iceman nearly DIED when Northstar kaboomed his ass. And he would have if Mystique hadn't given him CPR.
If reducing Wolverine to a skeleton is considered a KO, why not reducing Iceman's body to nothingness and having his consciousness blown across the four winds?